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    Basically what I am trying to do here is to make this card not a 3/4 muloc battlecry doing nothing. If it's is, that's a garbage for sure. But I have found some ways to get correct answer more easily. In that case, it might not be a card that is completely not playable. let's say if we can get right 80% as an estimation after we find how this card is actually work, how the question is made. That will be another story.

     

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    Hello Everyone, this is Joe. I have been a Hearthstone player for 8.5 years. Today I would like to discuss  the New legendary Card Murloc Holmes, yes, the master detective.

    1. Basis rules and how it works.

    Lets’ go through this card first.

    So what are the three Clues?

    Murloc Holmes' Battlecry presents three prompts which each show three cards, requiring you to guess.

    1- Which card was in your opponent’s starting hand?

    2- Which card is in your opponent’s hand?

    3- Which card is in your opponent’s deck?

    You will get three options like discover and choose the right one the question asks. The three options of these three questions come from your opponent's starting deck unless there are not enough cards.

    If you guess all three cards correctly, those cards will be added to your hand. If any of the prompts were picked incorrectly, the Battlecry would end early.

    1. General understanding

    Getting all three clues right seems incredibly difficult, we only have 1/27 chance to get all three cards. We need to find a way to get more idea and information to help us get the correct answer from all three options. Basically, all nine options are those cards which your opponents have put into their deck, the things matter is where are they now. In hand?In deck?

    For the first question, Which card was in your opponent’s starting hand? if you aren't good at guessing, You can definitely work out what was in the starting hand by play this card in a late game and watch carefully to what your opponent played from hand (from the left side in your view). Actually, This question is not start when you play Murloc Holmes, it starts once you put Murloc Holmes into your deck and start a game. So watch carefully.

    For the Second question, Which card is in your opponent’s hand? You need to “read” your opponent’s hand. This is a pretty hard question for most general players. But be awarded, the two options which is wrong in this question, are those cards in your opponent’s deck RIGHT NOW. This means they are the right answers if appear in question 3, bear in mind, don’t simply ignore them.

    For the third question, Which card is in your opponent’s deck?. Guess what your opponent haven’t drawn yet. If it would’ve been a better card to have played or not in the previous turns.  What they haven’t had chance to play or what they trying to save and play later. What’s more, the two wrong options are whose cards which are in your opponents hand RIGHT NOW, which are information for you.

    In all, To use Murloc Holmes, you need have a good memory, pay a good attention to what your opponent does, and a high-level gaming skills.

     

    1. Hypothesesof New legendary Card Murloc Holmes

    After we go through all three, we found it’s still too difficult because these general understanding just mentioned, doesn’t help at most time. We are not at the same level as those professional players. So Next, I will tell you something which does help, Something totally different.

    Murloc Holmes have a lot of hidden rules to make this card create a Fair Question. It is not randomly draw a right option from the right pool , and two wrong options from the wrong pool, then make them together as a Question.

    Why? To figure out this Hypotheses, we need to think as a Designer or a programmer. We are now a member of Team 5, not a Player. “How to make this card work?” “How is the question made?” 

    Eg: I have a model, a1b1c1...../a2b2c2.....which means your opponent have card ABC... etc in hand, and another ABC....etc in deck. In this case, how did Murloc Holmes create a question?

    Let’s say question 2, Which card is in your opponent’s hand? Options are A B C. (we randomly pick any three). Tell me which one is the right answer. A or B or C?

    You will find it is extraordinary that A B and C are all correct because all three options are in hand, which is correct. But there is only one right answer ,and the other two should be wrong. Now ,what’s next? The system randomly pick from ABC and chooses one as right and force other two being wrong? It can’t be because it is totally unfair for those people who choose other two as right. They actually pick the right option, but the system said they were wrong. So, “Question 2, Which card is in your opponent’s hand? Options are A B C. “ this is not a fair question if they are both in hand and deck. We must pick other options like EFG.... as the wrong two.

     

    Base on this Hypotheses, we found two hidden rules:

    1. The Wrong options can’t be those cards now at the area the question is now asking. Whats more, all the duplicates copies of wrong options cant in the area which is asking.
    2. The right option can be whose cards have one copy in the right area the question is now asking.It doesnt matter where other copies are.

    The three options showing to us is like kind of Concept, not the actual card now in your hand or deck. But our deck is not made by Concept , it’s made by real cards.

    So, if those cards which has one copy in hand and one copy in deck can’t be the wrong option, they can only be the right one. As we know, most time we have one copy in hand and another one in deck. So what kinds of cards is most likely to be the cards which can be the wrong options? Yes , The card we only have one copy most time, the legendary cards. They are the Concept of themselves. No matter exist as an option or as a real card in deck, they are equal. They don’t have another copy in other area, most of the time.

     

    Now we get some new weapons to solve the question. How to use these two rules in the actual game? Let's watch this sample. (This is just a reply I found online)

    Our opponent is a Pure paladin. Turn one, he played Knight of Anointment and drew a unknown holy ability card.

    Turn two, he played coin and new card Service Bell and drew all two copies of an unknown paladin card.

    Turn three, the main perspective chooses to play Murloc Holmes.

     

    First question, Which card was in your opponent’s starting hand?

    As our opponent has played Service Bell, this answer is quite simple.

     Second question, Which card is in your opponent’s hand?

     

    Knight of Anointment was played in turn one, so it is highly possible be a wrong option here. Sinful Sous Chef is probably wrong too.If it’s in hand, your opponent will play it at turn one or turn two, where there is no reason for not playing this card.So the correct answer is Promotion. The possible thing is our opponent want to play paladin skill power with promotion on turn three, so he chose to play coin and service bell on turn two

     Third question,Which card is in your opponent’s deck?

     

    This question is the one which I want to mainly talking about. It’s a typical question in which we can use the two hidden rules to find right answer. The way of thinking here is not trying to find the right answer, but to find the wrong two. Now we know, in our opponent hand, there is one promotion and one unknown paladin ability card draw by Knight of Anointment. Moreover, he played service bell on turn two drew two copies of unknown paladin cards. So think about one question, "what kinds of card meet the rules of being a wrong option here?". Those cards which ALL Copies are in hand. If Lightray and battle vicar is wrong, that means, all four cards are in hand. The probability of this condition in turn three is too low, which most likely not be right answer here. In that case, The countess must be wrong. The one which draw by service bell is the another wrong option. That makes two wrong options. Now, this question become”which card your opponent will choose in the selection of service bell on turn 2 ?” figure out that one and that is the wrong option. Yes, of course, the battle vicar. The Battle vicar is wrong, lightray?right one.

     

    Let’s make a summery. The actual things we need to figure out in every Murloc Holmes’s clues is “there are three options ,one right ,two wrong. Which situation is most likely?” This is not a simply game understanding question but also a logic and probability question. Sometime, You can find the right answer by simply logic and ratiocination. Let’s say, now we are in the middle of the game, and play Murloc Holmes. Question one, ok ,we have seen the card played, get pass. Question two, option A B &C, which one is right? Then we open our tracker, find A and C has been played once, and only got one copy which I don’t know where it is now. B not played at all, two copies which I don’t know where they are. So just choose B, B is correct, most likely correct. Question three, the same method but the other way as question two. Very Simple?right? a probability question. If you got more evidence, or you are a smart player, you can easily get things right.

     

    Peroration

    I don’t have a chance to play this card by myself, as I wasn’t invited in the pre-playing through. So all what I have found in this article is a pure Hypotheses by my logic thinking. If it’s not actually work like this, just forget what I am saying. Or we could ask our best friend director Iksar or our chef Cora, let them know about this article, and maybe, we will get a quick answer. (I will try later as well)

    In all, I like this card soooo much. As a legendary card which is a detective, it actually requires you to have a logic thinking and ratiocination mind. The way to figure out the correct answer is just as what it is said in its Flavor text: When you have eliminated the imfroggable, whatever remains, however uncroakable, must be the truth. 

    We all know the famous saying by~ Arthur Conan Doyle, The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes:   “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    Murloc Holmes is a great design, a master piece.

     

    Thanks for reading this article, everyone. Hope you all get the right clues in the coming expansion.

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