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As a quest shaman player, I can confirm that we are actually the worst

I've never been up against a quest druid deck where I thought I was going to lose.

Quest priest on the other hand seems like it can push a lot of value with it's deck. And has a lot of healing to fight aggro. I've never played it myself so I won't say it's the sure bet, but I think it can be good.

What a TWEEEST

I don't know how you can tell if that is what happened, maybe he just hit 3 bombs in a row then drew his card and duplicated it.

But I would actually assume that it does copy the bombs.

Which is pretty hot.

Make sure you are looking at wild cards ("all cards" if I remember right) before going to the crafting menu since he is no longer in standard.

The buffs somewhat impacted hunter with Necromechanic for a deck it was already playing (mech hunter). Mech Paladin is boosted with the Crystology buff. Mage is also playing Luna's Pocket Galaxy in a weird "freeze mage" list that I don't quite understand yet.

Otherwise not so much. 

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Warlock is top last I checked, seems like it's because of high occurrence of Abyssal Enforcer.

Checked again and it seems like the top tier is Hunter/Warlock, Priest is #3. 

Priest does have some really good tools right now, just depends on if they are lucky enough to see them in large numbers.

 

 

 Where can I find this info?

 hsreplay

Warlock is top last I checked, seems like it's because of high occurrence of Abyssal Enforcer.

Checked again and it seems like the top tier is Hunter/Warlock, Priest is #3. 

Priest does have some really good tools right now, just depends on if they are lucky enough to see them in large numbers.

It seems this thread has run its course, but just for the sake of debate, I'd like to reply to a few more points in order to make my case. It's kind of whatever, but, hey, I started this, might as well finish it.

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Well, seeing as how you're playing Elysiana for the control mirror and not the aggro/midrange matchups you mentioned that doesn't seem very fair to the rest of us, does it? Avoiding inconvenient matchups and only play the ones you're favored in?

This point has come up a few times and I don't really understand it. I'm not complaining about hitting bad matchups, I'm complaining that I'm hitting a matchup that is unwinnable by either player. It turns into a waste of time. If the turn limit didn't exist, I wouldn't be complaining. I might still choose to play something else because 50 minute games are a chore, but it's especially annoying when the outcome is decided by HS saying "nah game too long bruh".  

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Each of the Control players *chose* to have no game plan, other than countering the opponent, which in HS means playing the Value game, slowly.

So you actually wanted long games, why should you deserve an option for short ones?

I'm not saying I want long games, I just want to beat aggro. I'm ok with dealing with long games, as long as I *can* win. If I lose, whatever, but had the possibility of winning. If I don't have the option to win, give me the option to bail early for the same result. If both players are into it, I don't see what the problem is.

On this note, I will say that other games like chess will let you offer a draw because there are some cases where the outcome has been decided and there's no reason to continue playing. HS games don't typically go that way, but I think allowing all types of play-styles without punishing them with some arbitrary built-in-game limitation would be ideal. Supporting diversity of decks seems better to me.

Anyway, thanks everybody for your thoughts, it was a fun discussion.

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drawing= both players losing ... so just concede..

or play mechathun to beat the matchup in another way..

I think archivist elesyana ishould be changed to shuffle less cards it's not a nerf if everyone is running her 10 cards prolong the game by way too much..

 Actually a draw is a draw and doesnt make you lose stars or gain them either

Can confirm

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people who play Archivist Elysiana with bounce effect minions deserve each other

 Lol, alright, I can't argue with this

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Yeah, no. That's like banning all control on control matchups to just get the favorable ones. That's not unfair at all... 

Huh? It ends up being a draw anyway...

I'm sure this isn't a new idea or discussion, but I haven't thought this myself until this season in HS. 

My plight is that I really want to play control warrior, no gimmicks, I just want to counter rogue and stand a chance against mech oriented aggro decks. The problem is that I have played 2 mirror matches now that went on for 50 minutes and ended up in a draw anyway due to the 50 turn limit. Going to fatigue and double Archivist Elysiana for both sides ends up in a game that neither play can (likely) win. The second time around I knew what I was up against and realized that I was 7 minutes into an hour long match. If I had the option to offer the draw, we could have moved on with our lives and played against the decks we were trying to counter.

I'm an idiot. Thanks