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werkandtwerk #1380

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werkandtwerk #1380

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werkandtwerk#1380

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Spiteful summoner is a high-roll card, they'll always be around. The problem isn't so much that you get a ton of value for 6 mana, most decks can deal with a large minion on that turn. The real issue is that you can keep the spell that you used to generate that minion. Eventually, the opponent just runs out of answers. 

For example, spiteful priest can effectively play 4 free from ambers in a 30 card deck, two of which are essentially cast for 2 mana with an obligatory 4 cost 4/4 body attached to the casting cost. 

Should it be nerfed? Probably not, unless they change the text to be like grand archivist where you'll actually have a spell removed from your deck.

Also, in my opinion, the idea that spiteful decks are "sub-optimal" because you can only include high-cost spells is simply bad logic. There really isn't a punishment for only including large spells. Since these cards vary in their usefulness according to archetype, "traditionally good" tools like swipe or shadow word death are out of place in low-trade priority/overwhelm your opponent style decks.

I think the best evidence to this argument is comparing the disproportionately high win rates of spiteful decks with some of the other archetypes for spiteful classes.

I.e. Spiteful Priest vs. all other priest decks (trash).

i.e. Spiteful Druid vs. all other druid decks (trash with the exception of taunt druid, spiteful is still better).

I don’t particularly care for this meta, but it’s much better than those in the past.

I don’t really remember much from the grand tournament/whispers of the old gods era, but I do remember control warrior, and combo handlock warlock, and dragon priest being insane. There were also some cool decks like Reno mage/priest back when Reno Jackson was a thing. Miracle rogue was also very strong before conceal was hall of famed and tomb pillager made cycling ridiculously efficient. Azure drake, ragnoros the fire lord, and sylvanas were featured in virtually every deck lol. 

At the release of gadgetzan there were really only 2 viable decks- pirate warrior and aggro shaman. On average if you played 10 matches you would queue 5 aggro shamans, 4 pirate warriors, and either 1 jade druid or handlock warlock. At the time they were by far and wide the most oppressive, overpowered decks available. Even with priest being as insane as it is today, I’d much rather razakus priest than old pirate warrior or aggro shaman that would kill you on average at turn 6. 

Ungoro was the best meta I have ever seen in this game with a dozen or more very viable decks with very small margin of strength between tier 1 and tier 2 decks. Paladin and Mage were ridiculously strong with mage having one of the best decks in hearthstone history with its control varient and Paladin having excellent control and midrange options.

KOFT made jade druid stupid. 

Hey all.

All of my irl friends and many of the people on my friends list have received their choose their champion packs, but I have not. Is anybody else experiencing this issue on the NA server?

My packs recently have been terrible and because of this I've started carefully tracking what I open. I thought for sure the pity timer was supposed to guarantee an epic every 10 packs, but I had to open 11 before getting one. Is this normal and am I just wrong about the timer? Has anybody else encountered this problem? 

Cool I'm glad somebody else feels this way. It's honestly not really that incredible of a deck in my opinion, but it really restricts what you can and can't do with deck building big time. 

I was thinking about it, and I think that the control warlock really limits your options for deck building in general in this meta. Even though I think it's fairly balanced and by no means overpowered, it sort of eliminates a control style deck that doesn't rely on direct spell damage or OTK.

I could be wrong, just wanted to see what everyone else's opinion was on this issue. When I play in the current meta, the only minion combo deck that isn't aggro is the spiteful priest and I really don't see a viable alternative to that deck. Netdecking to me is really boring, and I usually make it to rank 5 or so with an original deck or creative spin on a deck type. This season though, I really can't think of a deck that isn't super aggressive that could possibly beat their stall, it's just too good to win against them that way. 

Un'goro and KOFT had tremendously more diverse metas than the current, in my opinion. Very curious to see other people's opinions on my theory! Feel free to let loose, I don't really feel super strongly about it either way.

Werkandtwerk #1380

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thanks dude, glad you like it!

I experimented with the dirty rat, but I found I couldn't reliably use it to my advantage and in the cases where I couldn't it hurt more than helped me. 

I'm rank 5 with this deck now and I have two volcanic potions in it because I was facing mostly aggro decks (rogue, druid, hunter, shaman). I think they're just too critical to remove, especially because you won't have a blizzard and you have only one flamestrike. It doesn't help you much in the priest match up, but I think it's very underrated against jade druid. Realistically speaking, the only way you can win against both of these archetypes is with the use of skulking geist. Those matches for me are usually 50/50, but not unbeatable. 

I would not recommend subbing out acolyte of pain, mostly because often times aggro players will attack the acolyte instead of your face. It sort of acts like a soft taunt. Just be very careful with your overdraws. This deck isn't as hand-heavy as the old control mage style, so I don't think it'll be a huge issue for you. It's uncommon I run into that problem. 

There really is no good recommendation I have to beat jade druid. I do have a strategy that often beats priest though. 

Obviously skulking geist is critical against inner fire priest, not much else has to be said about that one.

For Razakus priest, you want to put as much pressure as you can on them, without losing too many resources when he plays his board clears. The goal is to try and make him use the resources in his hand so that when Shadowreaper is played, he won't have a full hand to machine gun you to death. Try to force him to spend his shadow word death on Elise, and then play Medivh. When the reaper kills that, attempt to have some high cost spells in your hand so that he'll have to focus his energy on reducing the size of your board instead of going lethal. They draw a lot too, so as long as you save your baron and keep producing water elementals, you SHOULD have enough healing to just burn him out as you both go to fatigue. 

Thanks man, I appreciate your comment. I'm running it for the same reason (I'm so tired of all of the net decks)! I made it to rank 5 with this deck since posting and I did it INSANELY fast! I think it should be rated higher than it is at tier 3. There is a little bit of a learning curve on it and it's not very popular. Maybe that has something to do with it.