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Quote from RiftValleyHS >>

Don't forget that this will be in Standard for a really long time, and will forever haunt Wild in its current state. Who knows how the next expansions will affect the synergies. It could get faster.

@WraithM; yep, that was actually the article I was referring to! It's been re-worded elsewhere a bunch, but you can pretty much apply that to almost any card game with combat mechanics so I usually point people to the original.

Quote from n3r0s1 >>

Since Blizzard still haven't changed Jade Idol I guess they won't nerf Quest Rogue. They just let shit be. Really hard to understand why they will make their customers so frustrated. Overall the Quests was a good idea that went wrong. It should have been smaller things.

Quote from 1xbenx1 >>

Fun thought: What current card do you think has the most future potential to break wild? My vote goes to the mage quest.

@1xbenx1; Oh, it'll happen eventually. Even if it's a pre-emptive adjustment, something they make one day is going to break the format in half...

Wild is supposed to be a lot higher power level though, so that might not happen for a very long time (and to be honest it might not even be a very large adjustment). Like, Ship's Cannon is an interaction they're totally fine with and it seems fitting for the legacy format. Also take with a grain of salt that I actually don't think Hearthstone is going anywhere for another decade, so to me it just seems inevitable they're going to break Wild.

Quote from Orbis >>

How on earth can it be fun to play (against) these quest rogues.

Just finished a game where on turn three he had 6 5/5 critters. I know you have to have a perfect draw to do that but it happens often enough.

I think I win 1 maybe 2 in 6 games just by having the perfect opening draw and drawing perfect after that. It seems so unbalanced...

@1xbenx1; I think we might have a year or two left before that happens, Wild is definitely shaping up to be the super-high synergy format people were expecting it to head into. I'll be curious to see how they handle something like N'Zoth (who really isn't that broken, but over time certainly could be). 

Right now though I think the format is super healthy. I'd be absolutely shocked if they made any adjustments.

@KRFournier; a little delayed getting back to your reply, but I did want to say I can totally accept that viewpoint from an objective standpoint. Climbing with Aggro Druid last season it was a very similar case with Taunt Warrior where you'd simply just scoop after a certain number of turns because the outs were basically hoping your opponent concedes, and I do agree you can make that kind of statement without it being a bad mindset (we are, after all, trying to play to our best outs and the best chance to win). I'm probably just significantly jaded (no pun intended) after the thousands of words I've read on those kind of matchups just being simply "unwinnable", which like I said is almost certainly still people approaching it with a poor mindset. 70/30 is polarized, but that still means if you're playing properly you have a chance to win.

That being said, I'm actually perfectly happy with tech cards still being useless in the matchup (Silence cards in general would be what I consider tech options outside of Purify Priest). I'm also perfectly happy with two of the strongest reactive effects in the game not being good in certain matchups. In the case of Hex/Devolve like I had mentioned as well, if you're using them to aggressively disrupt their Quest triggers they're still pretty good; Hex or Devolve on an Igneous Elemental is still pretty good. Like any reactive card, you always just run the risk of having them perform poorly (once again, welcome to what Priests have dealt with since the game went into beta). We can agree to disagree on that though, I do think both opinions have merit to them.

Feelbads are kind of a tricky one to fix, because Quest Rogue really isn't universally disliked as much as Hearthpwn would have you believe otherwise. Similar to Patron this is going to require looking at underlying causes more than just that they solitaire for a portion of the game.

@KRFournier; also anecdotally, I've beaten Quest Rogue with Control Shaman (and my list is not particularly fast or particularly good). Aggressive use of Hex/Devolve is pretty important, and if I had actually built it more proactively I think it would been a lot easier to push the game. Keep in mind, I'm not favored and I realize that; all I did was play to the weaknesses of Rogue the best I could, got a bit lucky, and won, simply because my mindset wasn't that I had lost the game before it had even started. Mindset in those matchups is exactly where I think people tend to sabotage themselves. It was a very close win and a very tricky game to navigate, but giving up doesn't help either of those.

I'm not arguing against the deck needing adjustments, I believe I've stated not so distantly that Charge is where I think the list gets too nutty for its own good; I think it should be strong for how tricky it can be to play, but similar to Patron it's much healthier in my mind as a list that wins with midrange pressure more than burst combos. What I am arguing against is the defeatism that generally goes alongside analysis of this deck, or something like Jade Druid.

I've had quite a few that made me laugh, but for some reason Living Mana is straight up my favorite card in Un'Goro. It's got a lot of nuance in how you play it or play against it, I just wish it worked in something outside of all-in Aggro Druid (I like Tokens, but always preferred the slower builds that run things like Violet Teacher and Wisps of the Old Gods).

@Demonxz95; the problem with the Pot of Greed meme is you'll never really know if people genuinely don't know what it does. It's kind of fantastic that way.

Quote from NightCrawl3er >>

It makes me sad because these are some of my favorite decks in the game, but what can ya do?

Quote from Knightman422 >>

I have to agree with you, it does seem like with every set classic control decks just get worse and worse. Hopefully the next expansion to come out will slow the meta down some.

@jferrante831; honestly both ladders have a lot of variety now I think, though Wild may indeed have a tiny edge just because it's less refined overall and has a crazy amount of sets to work with. Reno decks are certainly a bit annoying, but it's kind of whatever to me; the only part I find truly irritating is how absurdly good Priest can be, since they've basically amassed every answer known to man.

I think overall I'm still a bigger fan of Standard since I'm a bigger fan of lower power levels, but this season I've swapped to Wild and it's been a lot of fun. Dude Paladin and Control Shaman just feel great now that they have so many things to abuse.