What would you take out of Face Hunter to put this in?
no idea... seems like a worse Leper Gnome to me...
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What would you take out of Face Hunter to put this in?
no idea... seems like a worse Leper Gnome to me...
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Quote from maroon5five jumpYou just insulted every person to ever play a turn based strategy game, good job. I can't remember the last time I heard someone call games like Chess and Poker unskillful.
Bad examples again. Individuall skill doesn't play a role in chess. It simply doesn't. The two best players in chess are not equals, because they have the same skill level, but because they're figured out the game to an equal degree. Chess doesn't allow for infinite possibilities. Chess as a game has been figured out. There are go-to-moves, that every high level player uses and the only difference is, that they have varying levels of experience.
Let the same two best chess players play Counter-Strike against each other. The more skillful person is going to win every single time, even if they have both the same level of experience.
Experience =/= Skill
Hearthstone is not a game of skill. It simply isn't. Its mechanics don't allow for that and the same applies for the chess mechanics.
First let me explain two things:
- I am a good chess player (I don't dare to use the word 'skilled' here... I'm a FIDE master)
- English is not my first language
I think you're mixing up the term "skill" and the term "talent".
You're right, if you take 2 random people and let them play ANY game (that is not ENTIRELY based on luck), most probably one is winning most (if not all) of the games. If you take 2 chess players and let them play counter-strike or if you take 2 counter-strike players and let them play chess doesn't matter. The reason is that every person has a different talent for a specific thing.
However, give the 2 players a week to practice and you'll probably get a different result. One player (let's say the one who lost most of the games) might invest a lot of his free time to practice, therefore getting experience in the game, while the other does not (he was winning anyway, why should he practice?). And suddenly, the results change, the guy who practiced more wins now more games than the other. Reason? He developed skill by practicing. You're right, experience is not equal to skill, but it is part of skill! By the way: Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Hearthstone is not a game of skill? I can only laugh at that.
Chess has been figured out? This is a ridicoulous sentence. I'm citing wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess#Mathematics_and_computers): Zermelo's theorem states that it is possible to solve chess, i.e. to determine with certainty the outcome of a perfectly played game (either white can force a win, or black can force a win, or both sides can force at least a draw).[110] However, according to Claude Shannon, there are 1043 legal positions in chess, and the timeframe required to compute a perfect game puts this possibility beyond the limits of any feasible technology
Oh yeah, the two best players in chess have varying levels of experience? Yes, but that's not the reason why one is better than the other. Number one is Magnus Carlsen, age 25, number two is Viswanathan Anand, age 46. Guess who has more experience...
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I would rather lose to a Warrior with 900 armor. It's indeed frustrating for a long game to end with your defeat, but at least there was a game played, interactions happened, trades were made. You can reflect on what you could've done better to win, etc. If your opening hand is bad you can still have a good game.
If you get bad draws against face hunter it's basically like you clicked Go every turn without doing anything.
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I'm going to download Street Fighter 2 and play it on an emulator right now so I can be called a skillfull player. This thread just made my day...
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Again, to use Trump as an example... If you consider him a skillful Hearthstone player, would he then by a skillful player by default in your opinion? Who could take that skill of his and do as well in Street Fighter as he does in Hearthstone? No, because Street Fighter requires more of a player.
My point is, that a skillful player can pick up any number of games and do well at all of them, because he has the required whatever to be good at games. Call it a talent, if you want, but in a broad spectrum.
Trump is not a skilled person per se, yet he is experienced in Hearthstone. Kolento considers himself to be only good at Hearthstone, which is why he only plays that game, which is yet another good example.
By your own definition then everyone that you think is skilled is just experienced as well. Anyone who does well in Hearthstone can pick up any TCG and likely be competitive, but someone who is experienced at counter strike would not be able to transfer their experience to Hearthstone. The skills required to play these different style games are completely different, but both take skill to play. Not every game relies on the same skill set.
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Quote from maroon5five jumpYou just insulted every person to ever play a turn based strategy game, good job. I can't remember the last time I heard someone call games like Chess and Poker unskillful.
Bad examples again. Individuall skill doesn't play a role in chess. It simply doesn't. The two best players in chess are not equals, because they have the same skill level, but because they're figured out the game to an equal degree. Chess doesn't allow for infinite possibilities. Chess as a game has been figured out. There are go-to-moves, that every high level player uses and the only difference is, that they have varying levels of experience.
Let the same two best chess players play Counter-Strike against each other. The more skillful person is going to win every single time, even if they have both the same level of experience.
Experience =/= Skill
Hearthstone is not a game of skill. It simply isn't. Its mechanics don't allow for that and the same applies for the chess mechanics.
Well luckily we have Garry Kasparov himself here telling us chess doesn't require any skill at all, unlike, of course, Street Fighter and pvp in World of Warcraft.
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Quote from AlchemistApprentice jump
I think skill in Hearthstone has to do with making right reads on your opponent's hand, with risk/reward and chance management, with avoiding obvious mistakes (missed lethal, bad trades), with greedy vs safer play, possibly even with those mind games (typically slowplaying an AoE for value) and mainly with resource management (as in about any card game). Yes, all of this adds to your Hearhstone skill.
Again, that is experience, not skill. What you're trying to do now is to use the term "skill" and apply it to every game individually, the way it suits that game the best, but you can't do that...
Again, to use Trump as an example... If you consider him a skillful Hearthstone player, would he then by a skillful player by default in your opinion? Who could take that skill of his and do as well in Street Fighter as he does in Hearthstone? No, because Street Fighter requires more of a player.
My point is, that a skillful player can pick up any number of games and do well at all of them, because he has the required whatever to be good at games. Call it a talent, if you want, but in a broad spectrum.
Also, don't confuse "practice makes perfect" with skill. Take a random Joe and let him practice Street Fighter 24/7 for 10 years and chances are high, that he won't make it to the TOP 8 in EVO. Take the same random Joe and let him practice Hearthstone for the same amount of time and chances are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery high, that he will make it to Legend during every season, probably even High Legend.
Trump is not a skilled person per se, yet he is experienced in Hearthstone. Kolento considers himself to be only good at Hearthstone, which is why he only plays that game, which is yet another good example.
How can you even compare Hearthstone and Street Fighter, they require such different skill sets. It's like saying Roger Federer has no skill because he can't play basketball.
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Quote from maroon5five jumpI would much rather lose to a control deck because it takes a lot more skill to play successfully in my opinion.People need to stop talking about "skill" in Hearthstone. There is no skill in Hearthstone. Let's take Trump for example. He is not a skillful player, yet he is fairly good at Hearthstone.
Being good at Hearthstone has more to do with experience than anything else. Playing around certain cards and not making plainfully obvious mistakes like bad trades for example.
Being skilled is a combination of so many things: innovation, reflexes, eye and hand coordination, remaining calm and collected in high pressure situations, mind games, making the right calls in the fraction of a second.
A good example would be duels between two Rogues in Hearthstone and World Of Warcraft. If both players have the same amount of experience with the respective games, yet different, individual skill levels in general, then the outcome of the Hearthstone games will still be fairly close. In World Of Warcraft however the more skillfull Rogue is going to win the majority of the duels, if not all of them.
You just insulted every person to ever play a turn based strategy game, good job. I can't remember the last time I heard someone call games like Chess and Poker unskillful.
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Handlock counter? Nerub'ar Weblord. I was playing around with rogue deck with the idea to bounce minions back in hand and make them cost more with Weblords and Mana Wraiths. Played Weblord on turn 2 and he was forced to coin owl it on turn 3 (suppose he didn't like his 6 mana Twilight Drake. It was all downhill for him from there. One of the best games I ever had.
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What about a new minion ability?
Piercing: minion ignores armor and divine shield when attacking.
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This card is begging Blizzard to add a weapon for Druid class
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I think Acidic swamp ooze for destroying enemy weapons , but it will lack the card draw