Hearthpwn

I'm glad everyone else is enjoying their new patch experience. I mean, it's what we've all been asking for right? Nerfs to the two classes that keep Mage and Druid at bay. Yay!! 5 druids and 3 mages before I went to BGs...How fun!! The mages especially had the most skill. They played Rune on turn 6 (Because for some reason they can always coin Balinda on turn five for a 9/10 minion), clear my board while casting these two really special secrets....

I wanna try rogue or dh with pig and rooster respectively

I highly doubt Raza would have been a problem if it weren't for Shadowreaper, and without Raza Shadowreaper is too slow a wincon with a Shadow Word: Ruin for a battlecry.

Without DK Anduin Raza is just heal 2 for 0, not exactly a reusable hero power so I don't understand why Raza was mentioned and not Defend the Dwarven District which isn't a 2-card combo that is always in your hand guaranteeing you'll fulfil requirements before turn 6 or 7— and Priest's infinite hp happened if you drew Raza and Shadowreaper early, let's not forget it was very possible to simple not draw Raza or Shadowreaper until your very last cards when you're dead already.

I don't agree with your overall suggestions to the games future though.

But on the salt or disappointed topic— I wish Astalor wasn't being nerfed. It's not his fault there's druids or rogues that can play him an equivalent of 3 times.... or just play him 3 times. 

The problems are really just Brann and Shadowstep. Oh well.

What I want to know is if two players who have both used money on this game face each other on ladder, who wins? Is it a random coin flip or is the riggedness decided on who has spent more? Or is it written in code that one shall never quee into another paying player so that they always win.

From 4 cards to 6 cards wouldn't just nerf the card, it would nuke the card into oblivion. Stages 2 and 3 are already hard enough to get between turns 4-6 without a decent card discount in the first stage. An extra card on top of those for the first one is honestly overkill and anyone suggesting that is seriously tilted from losing to DH. 

The rest of the suggested "leaked" nerfs are honestly okay. Only Death Knight and Priest will still be able to directly kill Ghosts with Mage and Shaman —maybe a few other classes— being able to delay slightly better than most. Gnoll is frankly reasonable and has been what most were asking for since the first gnoll nerf. Sinful and Shock are cards I've never fully gelled with so I'm okay with theirs. 

If that's Astalor's then I'm perfectly fine with that too since that was the most reasonable of the astalor nerf predictions.

I don't care for any buffs— I have priest and mage at 1,000 wins already and Warlock and Warrior aren't classes I have any intentional desire to play so their "buffs" mean nothing to me.

Quote from Elderhacker222 >>

Armor and damage are from Manathirst, adding the next stage is from Battlecry. As for the last part, currently it says "deal 16 instead", which means that the Battlecry is modified, and then doubled by Brann.

 Yea, I already edited my post because I figured out what I said after made no sense.

Quote from priestblack >>

If they change Astalor's damage component to be 100% from manathirst then that would remove the issue with the Brann interaction and thus, remove the necessity in Nerfing Guff. Either way we'll find out in a couple days!

 I played Astalor Druid for awhile but I'm still not quite sure what Brann + Astalor's interaction you're talking about. You say that switching the damage to 100% manathirst would remove the issue with it but from what I saw Brann only ever interacts with the manathirst half in the first place. I never got 10 armour when playing brann followed by second form, or 4-dmg from first form. Only ever an extra copy of the added card to hand and 32-dmg if the last form is played with brann.

Edit: I am so confused. After clicking post I remembered that the card added to hand IS the battlecry, the armour and 2-dmg the manathirst. I am so sorry.

Hope they don't need to nerf Basaleph down the line because I've already disenchanted the golden copy I had and I'll feel very bad if they did that— so knowing my luck Undead Priest will become to oppressive it will be nerfed lol

But yay!! maybe this will bring back favor with relics again, I loved them even when it wasn't exactly a great deck but more a high tier 3 in early Natrhia. I have only 100 wins on either DH or Rogue before I get my golden portrait and will get those at least next expansion so these nerfs don't really bother me.

Side Note: When I crafted Final Showdown back in January last year for the fun of it— because then the deck was high skill-cap and I don't have skill that high— I was honestly not expecting to get THIS much value down the road xD

Might as well delete Druid at that point, not that many players would mind that.

I hate Shockspitter Hunter and if playing Miracle Rogue keeps them off my back I'll gladly continue playing it until Shockspitter inevitably takes control cause that is exactly who'll come out on top after nerfs.

I'm just staring at those Duels bans with tears of happiness in my eyes!!

Quote from Banur >>

Quote from FortyDust >>

Note that the order of these effects is random, so it is possible that Renathal can buff your Health before getting eaten by the scythe. The only card that is exempt from this possibility is C'Thun, the Shattered, which always goes first.

Are you sure that the order is random? I have restarted multiple times with C'Thun, Renathal and Malchezaar and only C'Thun would take priority while the other two were always consumed.

So I think it is intended to be in this order.

Oh and Genn doesn't work either.

 I'm not sure about other cards other than Souleater's for certain (I remember the Genn one being mentioned when Madness came out though) but for this interaction it isn't exactly random. Scythe removes the minions from your deck the second the game starts during mulligan, you can never mulligan any of the three minions you put in— No Renethal in deck, no start of game trigger.

I want the skin, I have the gold—finally, thank you twitter giveaway for standard bundle— but it's in no way mandatory for me to actually buy the ticket and attempt to get 3 wins when I have the best deck playable right now because I'm 100~ wins away from golden Valeera and needed to craft the last legendary I needed. So I won't. 

Does it suck? Yeah. Is it okay for Blizzard to be doing this? No. Do you HAVE to buy tickets to try? Absolutely not!

Like FortyDust said when he explained the start of game mechanic.