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and BTW beast druid is going to be aggro. zooish style of play

I'm not basing stuff in my opinion, but in the views of people that I know that knows more than me. Just watch videos, dude. This ain't a opinion debate, no matter what your relativist teacher said. You can still keep with this "opinion" but so far it's wrong.

Also, you seriously need to read better.

BUT WAIT you're the guy who complains about Raven in every thread! ok dude go there complain how "powercreeps" are insane and how aggro is blah-blah-blah-rank-5-blah-smorc-blah. i'm out of discussing with you.

I'm not ranting neither screaming (again, wut?). I tried very calmly to explain to you why you don't even make sense as all other "control is dead" crybabies. You just said a lot of babbling based in nothing (except your opinion, which doesn't count in this case because this is a technical arguing). 

You just want to believe in what you're saying because you need something to rant of, to call devs stupid or something. This is boring. If you want to keep your screaming bs, then just wait for the settle down - control will be fine, as it always was.

Very interesting deck. Might give it a shot. Do you think Karazhan's new meta will make it fall? I believe so, because control is likely to get more popular.

Moat Lurker is a card that has it's spot in a lot of decks. It can interact with Sylvanas and other deathrattle minions of yours, providing something for N'Zoth, and also can remove big threats (even being "temporary") that can make you win the game. Treating this card lightly is one of the proofs that you just wanna say "control is dead" like every single babycrier since naxxaramas. Control - the archetype itself - has always shone in hearthstone, being present competitively in every single pro tournment. Maybe your specific deck hasn't much of a success, then the problem isn't the archetype. 

"The Giant do nothing" -> What? It can make you deal with the board and then leave a strong presence. What game are you playing that control cannot survive until turn 7? Just wat. What happens is that you're usually so behind you cannot comeback, but giant may allow it. Oftenly Vek'lor does, why giant wouldn't? Lol.

C'thun warrior isn't tier 1 (but it keeps being strong in tier 2) not because it lacks resource. The deck simply doesn't have free slots and so you cannot play all the MANY CARDS CONTROL WARRIOR HAS. Still, 4/6 taunt can see play in every other Control deck, which aren't tier by now because they lack resources to deal with the strong late game of midranges and swarmers. Guess what The Curator will provide to them? 

The meta will slow down with the new package of cards and that's one of things that will make control back into the meta, as I said before. You don't have to be a genius to notice that.

There are also a lot of other improvements that I'm not reminding neither researching because, meh, you're just babbling, ranting and screaming without having a consistent position, so I won't even try. This argument is soooo old and will NEVER be correct. Most people complaining are just mad because they can't tolerate their 15k dust deck being beated off by a 1,9k deck, but that's because they're bad, and it's not game's fault.

Control got nothing, it's simple as that.

No, this is just a usual babycry that happens since ever. *rolleyes*

It is obviously a win condition. It's a strong secondary plan - there are more good spells than bad - and synergyzes very well with decks that can cast 8-12 spells. It can easily seal a game, and will do it in something like 30% of the games - thus, it's solid. Although, I agree with your point that is a desperate tool and cannot be played only around it (neither should be the first thing you play). But anything that potentially seals the game - either by killing the opponent or giving you an insane advantage - is a game-finisher, or a win condition.

Bro, I already told you what control got, and with the buffs of midrange and swarm decks the meta will also slow down, being this a direct buff in control tier as it develops well against most of midranges. I fail to see your point here. 

Dude, you're talking about face hunter in 2016? There isn't a single list of hunter that goes the same model as face hunter. The only "face-lists" are a bad version of aggro shaman and pirate/disneyland warrior - both far away from tier 1 and 2. 

Every other "aggro" list is a. swarm b. midrange c. tempo. They can have aggro strategies, specially if we use MtG archetypes - aggro, combo and control -, but their game plan isn't so simple as "smorc" as it were in the past. And Grandmother is a really bad example - you're comparing two playing times absolutely different, with two cards that does different things. Grandmother will see some play in midrange hunters, but it ain't the best 2-drop by far. It isn't a staple in hunter, and will never be.

What?

Karazhan gave a lot of resources to control and midrange lists - beast druid isn't an aggro deck, for instance. Tempo also gained from it: Valet, 4/7 taunt, Book Wyrm, even bad cards as Protect the King... Control was the archetype that gained most benefits: Moat Lurker, The Curator, Arcane Golem... Yogg decks are way more of a control/combo archetype. 

It's just people have to complain against aggro, but this doesn't even make sense.

You are making misplays. Record your games and watch them.

"OTK"

Takes 9 min and endless draw-go in a bad editted video

Yes, you're doing it greatly

I'm not originally comparing those cards. I'm saying both are 1-mana-2/2. Blood to Ichor is also a spell and also does dmg. It gives you board presence and is more versatile - that being said, Blood to Ichor is obviously better, but this isn't the point here. 

Raven has a different function, yes, but is objectively worse than Blood to Ichor and it's just in the level of Fiery Bat. And by no means is a pay-to-win powercreep as this dude is trying to force it look like.

I'm not even a druid player, pal. I'm just a person that isn't horrified by a normal-to-strong card. This ain't M:tG, 2/2 isn't power creep. Just watch the reviews of someone that knows more than you and you'll get it. 

And it's a free card, dude. Enough with the pointless rant.

I wonder what you see in Blood to Ichor - the best 1 drop in standard right now. You must be terrified of it.

It is not. It makes sense to have 1 mana 2-2 for a class that needs to smooth it's curve.