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My negativity isn't unreasonable nor based or incorrect information, bad logic and personal vendetta. My claims aren't false and my arguments aren't faulty (mostly). I have told you several times that I don't need you to tell me what to do, I will ignore whatever I want whenever I want, or won't, this has nothing to do with you, or this discussion at all. Me ignoring Mercs won't solve any of the issues I pointed out and you thinking they are unreasonable or faulty issues makes no difference in how I feel about it, and how I want to express my feelings about it.

We can't agree to disagree if we're not going to ignore each other on this topic, and I'm too polite or stupid to ignore someone who's talking to me, so please ignore my claims that you personaly believe are false within your own logic system.

In the end, if you don't like the way Mercenaries is monetized or presented, don't play it. If you think Hearthstone has gone too far downhill (regardless of why), don't play it. If you think everyone else is crazy for spending money on and playing games you don't enjoy, that's not really your problem or your business. Weird arguments about numbers of clicks aren't going to change any minds.

If you think everyone else is sane for spending money on and playing games you enjoy, that's not really your problem or your business. See how ridiculous that sounds ? That's no argument that's just words. I don't think anyone is crazy by the way. There's no crazy in this world, only delusion, ignorance and evil. I know what Blizzard is, but what are you ? I'm ignorance. You must be delusion then.

I'm not here to change any mind, only to share my opinion on forums that are made for this and THAT is not your business. I have so much more arguments than you pretend, you had a lot too, we spent a shit ton of time saying stuff on this topic, I'm just tired of repeating myself an you probably are too, let's just agree to disagree on this one, we agree on many things it's no big deal why do you seem so personally involved in making people believe there is nothing wrong with what they did with Mercs ?

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We used to have 1 great game in Hearthstone. We now have 3 shit games. Probably more to come.

Was something deleted from Hearthstone in recent years or what? When and how it became shitty?  

 When battlegrounds launched and the community's hype and money and Hearthstone's dev resources were divided between two games. (in before someone tells me out of nowhere that Hearthstone staff tripled since Battlegrounds and Mercs were planned, it didn't, so don't) Nothing was deleted. Everything was diluted. That's when. Things just got worse with mercs.

Since when is adding more stuff a positive thing by default ?

Please don't start "meta is crap", it is always crap for someone

I don't even know what you mean or how it's related to this discussion at all + I like current meta, at least more than your average player

3) You keep repeating the nonsense that money that you pay for Hearthstone packs go to Hearthstone devs. No, money go not only to Hearthstone devs, money go to WOW devs, unreleased games dev, an old lady cleaning Blizzard offices, Activision's CEO's hookers, etc.

The more money spent on Hearthstone, the more incentive they have to develop more stuff for hearthstone. So yes, money that I pay for hearthstone packs goes to hearthstone devs. Maybe no in a direct enough way that your brain can comprehend, but it does happen.

The more games available within the hearthstone client, the less money will be used to develop each individual games.

We used to have 1 great game in Hearthstone. We now have 3 shit games. Probably more to come.

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What about us, the 20% ? I really don't care about free stuff, it's not my point at all.

Earlier you were saying Mercs monetization is the exact same as hearthstone monetization so it's weird that we complain about one but not the other. Well I don't think it's weird at all. Mercs monetization isn't replacing hearthstone monetization, it's just adding up, so in reality monetization in Hearthstone just got twice as bad, especially since both game modes are linked by the same resource, gold.

At what point is it enough and at what point is it too much ? Battlegrounds monetization was enough, Mercs monetization is too much. How many more monetized game modes are they going to at ? When does it stop being about Hearthstone ? Cause that's the point, you're still launching HEARTHSTONE when you click the button, when I click on Hearthstone in the battlenet client I expect to arrive in the Hearthstone card game, I don't expect to arrive in another client with 3+ different games with a unique monetization when it comes to real money, but shared monetization when it comes to in game money. And when I spend money in hearthstone it's the same, I don't want my expansion pre order money to go to other game modes, I'm paying for hearthstone because I want to play hearthstone, so I reached a point where i'm relunctant to spend ANY more money, cause it's not invested where it should be by the devs. It's just not what hearthstone is about and it's not fair in my opinion that they are using the Hearthstone UI to make more cash grabs unrelated to hearthstone. Just keep grabing more of our cash with more Hearthstone content we would all be fine with that. That's what they did with the mini-sets in between expansions, more cash grab, but it's 100% hearthstone, so there was no outrage.

 What you are saying is that Frito-Lay should never make new flavors of Doritos or develop entirely new kinds of chips because you already like regular Doritos and already spend money on regular Doritos and do not want to buy another kind of chip, and it's just not fair because all those different chips appear in the same aisle of the store!

SO DON'T BY THE OTHER CHIPS. Asking the company not to create new things and sell them is preposterous.

 Stop twisting my words and making weird comparisons it's getting old.

What I am saying is that Frito lay shouldn't sell a new chips brand at full price as an option inside existing doritos packs already sold at full price because the existing doritos are more popular so they think they'll make more money with the new chips if they are disguised under the existing doritos package, because that is F-ing stupid and bad business. Just make new chips with their own brand and name and monetization.

What I ask the company is if they want to create new games, makes new games in the battlenet client. There is absolutely no rational reason to makes new games in Hearthstone instead, unless it's to extort more money from compulsive and whales players that enjoy Hearthstone a lot and wish it gets better with their money. Battlenet exists for this very reason, it's a platform for unique Blizzard games, Mercs is a unique Blizzard game. Why they chose to add more monetization in Hearthstone is strictly related to money, which yes is fine because it's business, but it is obvious it is going to hurt the card game hearthstone more than help it, exactly like battlegrounds did.

There is also absolutely no reason to separate packs and monetization from hearthstone and mercs, if they are going with the shared gold resource, it makes no sense at all, unless, again, it's for extorting cheap money without effort from huge Hearthstone fans, that won't ever be rewarded for it because the money is getting more and more diluted between different games inside hearthstone.

Anyway, it seems both the devs and a huge portion of the community already abandonned the idea that hearthstone is a game in and of itself, there's no arguing against that, what can you do.

Let me ask you this. How would you feel if WoW and Overwatch came directly into the Hearthstone client ? The games and the monetizations that come with them. Would that make sense to you ? Would you feel ok spending money in hearthstone at that point ? How many games and ways to spend money inside hearthstone client does it take for you to say enough ? I guess you will answer my the usual "b-b-but its the same with battlenet client, it's just one more click now" then how about a game client inside a game client inside a game client ? Again, how long until this is enough ? How many click does it take to access hearthstone after you've clicked on Hearthstone before this is enough ? Why not just stick to 1 client for all blizzard games and stop shady shitty stuff that will punish both Blizzard and the community for basically no reason ?

Battlegrounds and Mercenaries need to get the hell out of Hearthstone client.

Most of the people hating on Mercenaries aren't even thinking about pre-ordering. I guarantee you that at least 80% of the people calling Mercenaries a trainwreck and saying it's the end of Blizzard are free players who think they will not get enough free stuff out of it.

What about us, the 20% ? I really don't care about free stuff, it's not my point at all.

Earlier you were saying Mercs monetization is the exact same as hearthstone monetization so it's weird that we complain about one but not the other. Well I don't think it's weird at all. Mercs monetization isn't replacing hearthstone monetization, it's just adding up, so in reality monetization in Hearthstone just got twice as bad, especially since both game modes are linked by the same resource, gold.

At what point is it enough and at what point is it too much ? Battlegrounds monetization was enough, Mercs monetization is too much. How many more monetized game modes are they going to at ? When does it stop being about Hearthstone ? Cause that's the point, you're still launching HEARTHSTONE when you click the button, when I click on Hearthstone in the battlenet client I expect to arrive in the Hearthstone card game, I don't expect to arrive in another client with 3+ different games with a unique monetization when it comes to real money, but shared monetization when it comes to in game money. And when I spend money in hearthstone it's the same, I don't want my expansion pre order money to go to other game modes, I'm paying for hearthstone because I want to play hearthstone, so I reached a point where i'm relunctant to spend ANY more money, cause it's not invested where it should be by the devs. It's just not what hearthstone is about and it's not fair in my opinion that they are using the Hearthstone UI to make more cash grabs unrelated to hearthstone. Just keep grabing more of our cash with more Hearthstone content we would all be fine with that. That's what they did with the mini-sets in between expansions, more cash grab, but it's 100% hearthstone, so there was no outrage.

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Didn't you say you were leaving the thread and hearthstone?

 Didn't I say I was a lunatic ? It's more like I left the discussion, there are still interesting posts that I wish to answer whenever I feel like it.

And I said probably Hearthstone, and obviously not at this very moment. Stay constructive please, I'm trying and I'm the lesser person.

 

 You're more like the Ben Shapiro of this site 

 I have no idea where that comes from but I love the guy so I take that as a compliment

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If you took the time to read his posts you would notice that it's a light joke on how he says facts a lot, reminding me of Ben Shapiro. Regardless of their and mine political views but just based on their behaviors, you know, a joke, not propaganda

Well ok then. Still a compliment, thank you !

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Didn't you say you were leaving the thread and hearthstone?

 Didn't I say I was a lunatic ? It's more like I left the discussion, there are still interesting posts that I wish to answer whenever I feel like it.

And I said probably Hearthstone, and obviously not at this very moment. Stay constructive please, I'm trying and I'm the lesser person.

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People have been convinced that them and their thoughts are actually special and that people should care about them. In truth, 99% of people do not give a crap, your perspective and views are your own but you are not so special that you as an individual should be catered for above others. The quicker some people learn that, the happier they will be.... 

 We're just sharing our opinion like you just did. When you do it's fine but when haters do they are special snowflakes that no one should care about. 

Nobody in this thread has demanded that they as individuals should be catered for above others.

I don't need everyone else to think like me.

Sure seems like you do

you have some lingering issues towards something and we shouldnt have to be hit by your misdirected anger.

True, just read the whole posts next time and I'll go easier on you. What you did was also a form of aggression. Also you definitely triggered me so you had to be hit by my directed anger.

I mean I apologized plenty, I'm a lunatic and it's the internet, some day I'll be extra nice and some day I'll be extra dick.

Now everything has been said and I apologize one last time before leaving, just be aware that I attacked your thoughts not your person, and I'm still correct about the Mercs topic. Have a nice day.

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So why isn'y Mercenaries directly in the B.net client if it's the same as WoW then ? You wanna know how it's different ? WoW isn't asking for my Hearthstone gold for progression and isn't pretending to be a new game mode inside a game.

Why? It is simple

1) It requires less new code and new art (they are reusing Hearthstone stuff) and it saves them a lot of money
2) It is a free advertisement in a huge hearthstone playerbase. Players will see this
3) It motivates Hearthstone players to stay in Hearthstone. Remember how and when Battlegrounds appeared? It was the time of the rise of autochess genre. Many, many Hearthstone players, including major streamers, switched to Team Tactics. Battegrounds returned most of them. Mercenaries mode fights for players that may leave for Slay the Sire, Darkest Dungeon or even freaking Raid Shadow Legends.
4) It attracts new (returning) players to Hearthstone. Some players who will come to play Mercenaries will start playing Hearthstone

Those are reasons, not to take your gold away,

Ok but why are you saying that to me ? I'm not the one saying WoW and mercenaries are the same thing, I'm the one saying they SHOULD be the same thing but blizzard is pretending they aren't to be more greedy.

and 4) There isn't a single darkest dungeon / RSL players in the world that will switch to mercs. Mark my words I'm dead serious, I've played both of them and Mercs DO NOT compete in any way, if that's the intended goal then they are in for the biggest disappointment in Blizzard's history. Because they are true games, great and beautiful games, not half game half game mode with shitty visuals. And RSL is much better than Blizzard with greed and inducing addiction. Never heard of Slay the Sire sorry.

Also 5) take hearthstone players' gold away, yes.

And finally 6) It pushes veteran players away, so much for attracting new ones with 4). Bad move, cause veteran players are the whales funding Hearthstone, new players generally are lowly F2P kids from elementary school.

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I dont think its very productive to argue with Petite Mouche, as you are coming off way to aggressive

 That is correct, I apologize, but the main reason it isn't productive to argue with me is that I am 100% correct and I will prove you wrong every single time with my poor use of english langage, so yeah, kinda pointless if your goal is to change my opinion, instead of seeking the objective truth.

, you wont ever see others POV or opinions as valid or at least even consider what we are trying to talk about.

That is total bullshit, I could say the exact same thing about my POV and opinions

I don't see your opinion as valid because I believe it is invalid, simple as that, this has nothing to do with me being a bit aggressive and rude today.

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And yes, I am a whale, and I am seriously considering quiting HS over this BS, like I considered quitting over Battlegrounds perks, so, there's your great business move. I don't see what's left for me, it just feels like I'm funding  2 games that I don't wanna play when I buy Hearthstone expansions

 I fail to understand this logic.  Why were you fine with "funding" WoW, Starcraft, Owerwatch and Diablo? Blizzard is one company, whatever you pay them may be used to develop whatever they want, if you think that all profits from a project X goes to develop the project X, then you have a rather strange view on how companies work.

How WoW that is launched from the same Battlenet client is different from Mercenaries launched from the same Hearthstone client?

 So why isn'y Mercenaries directly in the B.net client if it's the same as WoW then ? You wanna know how it's different ? WoW isn't asking for my Hearthstone gold for progression and isn't pretending to be a new game mode inside a game.

I don't know how strange my view is to you, just know that it is correct and you'll full of shit until you provide evidence for your claim. Of course when you buy hearthstone packs the money goes to hearthstone development and marketing, not wow or diablo. They're completely different and separate departments within the company, as far as I know.

But if that answer isn't satisfying to you, please be informed that I do play Starcraft, Diablo and Overwatch, and used to play WoW, so I'm fine with funding these, even if it comes from hearthstone money (it doesn't).

But now the thing is "hearthstone development" means "mostly battlegrounds and mercs development" while they still extract the most money from non-BG/Mercs players. This is outrageous, plain and simple.