Regardless of the answer, my answer to you is very simple. Do you imagine that because we have 50000000 cards in the game people really like to play their own decks and create new decks? Let me share my experience as a MTG player (sinse the my 13 and i am now 26 years old). People has the misconception that every player knows how to properly build decks and that is easy. Its not. When i started in magic my first experience with actual real deck building was very rought. You know is easy to belive that just because you know how you want to focus your deck will pick the right cards.
So i put all my cards in my bed and start picking. I spend 4 hours in each iteration and those decks still sucks. I lose vs my little broder that was using an Intro pack that i buy for him. After 3 years of playing MTG i finally understand why people "NetDeck" so much in card games: its not bad to use what is tested already if you dont know what works. I usually dont pure netdeck because i have a certain play style that i like to keep and i just feel good when i can do X o Y move in Z scenario so i edit the recipes i use. But dont get me wrong when i see a recipe i can tell how the deck works as much as everyone but also i kinda understand why certain cards are picked over others.
In general people dont know about this kind of stuff and i dont try to said i am better on this than others or blablabla i dont even belive myself as a good player i just...well played too much. Back to the topic: If you lack of the skill that is needed to build a deck why would you even try to do it in first place? if you are interested in be a better player for sure you want to learn deck building but from a casual perspective even if you are competitive, learn how to build decks is a very time consuming task. So people skip the process, sometimes they take or put one card, and look what decks are working and learn how to use them. Thats it.
Its not like they want to win every day but they see this decks in videos, they like what they see and they learn how to use them faster because there is nothing to discover. Netdecking is not something bad. Its actually something good, It keeps people in the game, by sharing decks with other players the "top dogs" make sure that everyone is on the same page. Do this experiment: try to build a type of deck using cards atleast 20 cards that no one uses in similar decks and see how it performs( the other cards can be staples). You will understnad them why some cards are picked over others and are so staples in the meta.
I am well aware that the more choices a person have the more daunting task it is to pick and choose. It is easier to choose your favorite flavor of ice cream out of 2 than out 10 choices.
I haven’t played any physical TCG and Hearthstone is my first and only one. With physical TCG, I’d wager that I will see the other player’s face at least. With digital card game, what stopping me from thinking that the other player is nothing but a mindless drone? Am I to believe that out of millions of players a few hundreds of them actually went to the deck builder and built a deck on their own?
I don’t enjoy what is happening at all. I notice that am most happy and enjoying the game when rotations hit because it FORCES people to build new decks. At least for a week or two.
I just realized something too, netdecking is so bad, players don’t even read up on changes to cards. I remember when Arcane Golem got its charge removed and people didn’t change their decks and when they played it, they usually hover at it like idiots.
OP is right, wild is unbearable to play - but still better than the new classic mode.
Yeah idk why they thought a classic mode would be fun. It’s fun for a few games till you realize the meta is already known and everyone’s playing the same few decks and it will always be people playing those same few decks
They probably did it because they introduced classic or remade other games.
You have WoW classic, Warcraft 3 remake, Starcraft HD, Diablo 2 remake is next. So why not Hearthstone too as well while they are at it.
Well, I played wild until I reached Platinum rank and from there forward all I see are 3 decks, Secret Mage, Zoo Self-Damage Warlock and Resurrect Big Priest.
All the cards in the world made available and people just netdeck and play 3 decks. Why people buy packs with real money for if they end up using a very small limited pool of them?
I realize that am probably exaggerating things but playing Wild just proved to be the same as Standard. People netdecking with no promise of experimenting and making their own homebrewed decks. I am curious what happens with the physical TCG, if they too experience netdecking
Rant over.
This 'homebrew' culture is a self inflicted play style though, people like you need to realise this.
Deck building is a completely different skill/activity that some like, some don't, some are good at other aren't. The inability or lack of enjoyment one gets from deck building shouldn't (and doesn't) prevent them from playing card games.
You can't impose YOUR idea of fun on other people. Some people find the fun in hs in janky, weird otk combos, others find it in climbing efficiently, others like playing for value and seeing plays you won't see very often but also aren't very consistent.
If yiu took the Internet away, people would still clock what is effective and change their deck accordingly until they essentially 'netdeck' anyway.
When I started hearthstone, it was the first card game I'd played. I had no idea about deck building or even that sites with deck lists would be a thing. I just casually played on my mobile. After a bit of starting and playing ladder, I got rinsed by cube lock and thought "that deck looks coooool". So I put one together ish. As I played, I came up against other, better cube lock decks, so I thought "ahhh instead of using this card, that person used this instead and yeah, that's loads better, I'll do the same". So I tweaked my deck to make it better and to win more until by the time I discovered things like hsreplay, my deck was only a handful of cards away from the deck list on there.
This will always, always happen. It's completely normal behaviour. You probably do this yourself either at school or work.
Imagine sitting in a science class and the teacher syaong "nope, no text books for you! Don't think you're going to freeload and netdeck off other people's research, nope sir, all homebrew research for you".
If YOU want to play decks that YOU create and as a result, they aren't very good/efficient/effective for climbing, then that's YOUR decision. Stop asking for a game's main competitive ranking mode to adapt to your choice of how to play the game.
Setup a discord or sub reddit and find other players, there are plenty like you, we see the complaints all the time. And organise a mini community which can all play each other with your own established deck building rules, bans etc, whatever you like.
You're treating this issue like the game wasn't designed to be played in a way that shares deck lists etc but the games own developers are telling you they don't want to alienate people who don't enjoy this aspect or aren't good at it. It's their game and they want people to be able to import decks frome sternal sources. Like it or not that is their decision and is their right to do so. If you don't like it, maybe find a game that this doesn't happen in but you may find that harder than you'd like because as I said, this is completely normal and happens across games, work, school and life in general. People will use existing resources to effectively up their game or skill in any given environment or field.
I will not sacrifice the way I prefer to play the game so you can pull off your 1 in 100 combo or you want a specific archetype/interaction to work that simply doesn't. If your own made decks were any good they would already be a deck list and for those who puff their chest about making good decks, they are probably only a few cards different to a 'net deck' anyway, you just get a faux sense of superiority because it makes you feel clever to think you put it together yourself.
It is always about “winning” isn’t it? Every time I write about lack of fun or diversity people always quick to bring up “winning”
Notice that I didn’t bring the subject of “winning” or “losing” at all. I can win or lose all I want with good, bad or meme decks but would it hurt to see some individuals out of the millions of players actually playing the game as a unique individual rather than copy paste mindless drones?
Netdecking sucks. More and more I feel like am playing NPCs rather than actual players due to lack of originality. Aggro decks certainly didn’t help either with their game plan of “minimize interaction with the other player”
Again I ask, if I to believe Hearthstone annual revenue comes from the average joe rather than majority from few whales, why people buy packs by the thousands to get cards that they will never play or even attempt to build a deck around them?
I see it with my own eyes every non-rotation expansion, people play the same tired old decks for about a week before finally putting actual new cards in.
The only hope for the upcoming expansion is the fact that they rotated a lot of cards, changed a lot of cards and add in a lot of cards. This will FORCE players to play new decks at the start of the expansion whither they like it or not.
Well, I played wild until I reached Platinum rank and from there forward all I see are 3 decks, Secret Mage, Zoo Self-Damage Warlock and Resurrect Big Priest.
All the cards in the world made available and people just netdeck and play 3 decks. Why people buy packs with real money for if they end up using a very small limited pool of them?
I realize that am probably exaggerating things but playing Wild just proved to be the same as Standard. People netdecking with no promise of experimenting and making their own homebrewed decks. I am curious what happens with the physical TCG, if they too experience netdecking
Rant over.
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I am well aware that the more choices a person have the more daunting task it is to pick and choose. It is easier to choose your favorite flavor of ice cream out of 2 than out 10 choices.
I haven’t played any physical TCG and Hearthstone is my first and only one. With physical TCG, I’d wager that I will see the other player’s face at least. With digital card game, what stopping me from thinking that the other player is nothing but a mindless drone? Am I to believe that out of millions of players a few hundreds of them actually went to the deck builder and built a deck on their own?
I don’t enjoy what is happening at all. I notice that am most happy and enjoying the game when rotations hit because it FORCES people to build new decks. At least for a week or two.
I just realized something too, netdecking is so bad, players don’t even read up on changes to cards. I remember when Arcane Golem got its charge removed and people didn’t change their decks and when they played it, they usually hover at it like idiots.
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They probably did it because they introduced classic or remade other games.
You have WoW classic, Warcraft 3 remake, Starcraft HD, Diablo 2 remake is next. So why not Hearthstone too as well while they are at it.
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It is always about “winning” isn’t it? Every time I write about lack of fun or diversity people always quick to bring up “winning”
Notice that I didn’t bring the subject of “winning” or “losing” at all. I can win or lose all I want with good, bad or meme decks but would it hurt to see some individuals out of the millions of players actually playing the game as a unique individual rather than copy paste mindless drones?
Netdecking sucks. More and more I feel like am playing NPCs rather than actual players due to lack of originality. Aggro decks certainly didn’t help either with their game plan of “minimize interaction with the other player”
Again I ask, if I to believe Hearthstone annual revenue comes from the average joe rather than majority from few whales, why people buy packs by the thousands to get cards that they will never play or even attempt to build a deck around them?
I see it with my own eyes every non-rotation expansion, people play the same tired old decks for about a week before finally putting actual new cards in.
The only hope for the upcoming expansion is the fact that they rotated a lot of cards, changed a lot of cards and add in a lot of cards. This will FORCE players to play new decks at the start of the expansion whither they like it or not.
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Well, I played wild until I reached Platinum rank and from there forward all I see are 3 decks, Secret Mage, Zoo Self-Damage Warlock and Resurrect Big Priest.
All the cards in the world made available and people just netdeck and play 3 decks. Why people buy packs with real money for if they end up using a very small limited pool of them?
I realize that am probably exaggerating things but playing Wild just proved to be the same as Standard. People netdecking with no promise of experimenting and making their own homebrewed decks. I am curious what happens with the physical TCG, if they too experience netdecking
Rant over.
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