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    posted a message on [Easy Win Tavern] Midrange Hunter

    is prince malcheezarthar worth crafting for this deck? im looking for EZ legend  

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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from robert_fanr >>

    Sorry to disappoint you but these stats mean pretty much nothing .

    People are playing un-optimal builds at the moment . Wait for them to find the right substitutes to nerfed cards and than we can talk about the meta .

    I played Druid whole day and my win rate isn't any worse than before .

     the stats of hundreds of games means more than your stats today
     a 4-5% winrate change would take like 50-100 games to manifest itself even if your rate exactly mirrored the average rate
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from robert_fanr >>

    Sorry to disappoint you but these stats mean pretty much nothing .

    People are playing un-optimal builds at the moment . Wait for them to find the right substitutes to nerfed cards and than we can talk about the meta .

    I played Druid whole day and my win rate isn't any worse than before .

     the stats of hundreds of games means more than your stats today
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    posted a message on EASY Top 1 Legend RazaN`Zoth taunt DK 98% winrate

    you're supposed to say EZ at the end to further highlight how easy it is

    Posted in: EASY Top 1 Legend RazaN`Zoth taunt DK 98% winrate
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    posted a message on SpinaLogaMan's Aggro Priest(rank 3 to legend)

    anyone try this yet post nerf?

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    posted a message on How is Jade Druid post nerf? What cards would you replace?

    it's down to 50% winrate statistically . vicious syndicate had stats on it earier

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    posted a message on asd

    which ranks did you advance with this deck? kind of curious cuz token shaman is the highest  win percentage deck right now but no one's posting them

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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
    It really isn't, The meta needs more than 8h to settle.  it takes more than 8h for someone to find the best jade druid lists without innervate. It takes more than another 8h for that list to become popularized enough for the trackers to start tracking those as "jade druid" more than the old outdated lists. Repeat for pirate warrior, face druid and murloc paladin. Obviously these decks are all doing bad now because everyone is playing shitty outdated or experimental lists. Shaman and hunter lists have the major advantage of being refined over all of KFT
     
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
    It really isn't, The meta needs more than 8h to settle.  it takes more than 8h for someone to find the best jade druid lists without innervate. It takes more than another 8h for that list to become popularized enough for the trackers to start tracking those as "jade druid" more than the old outdated lists. Repeat for pirate warrior, face druid and murloc paladin. Obviously these decks are all doing bad now because everyone is playing shitty outdated or experimental lists. Shaman and hunter lists have the major advantage of being refined over all of KFT
     even in a theoretically sense, spreading plagued got nerfed a higher percentage of it's total mana cost than call of the wild , and that's on top of the entire druid deck being out a potential 4 free mana over the course of a game which is like up to an additional 4 mana nerfs per game
     this is in a deck that completely relies on surviving the early game. the value is already infinite, having the tempo plays to survive is everything for jade druid
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
    It really isn't, The meta needs more than 8h to settle.  it takes more than 8h for someone to find the best jade druid lists without innervate. It takes more than another 8h for that list to become popularized enough for the trackers to start tracking those as "jade druid" more than the old outdated lists. Repeat for pirate warrior, face druid and murloc paladin. Obviously these decks are all doing bad now because everyone is playing shitty outdated or experimental lists. Shaman and hunter lists have the major advantage of being refined over all of KFT
     
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
    It really isn't, The meta needs more than 8h to settle.  it takes more than 8h for someone to find the best jade druid lists without innervate. It takes more than another 8h for that list to become popularized enough for the trackers to start tracking those as "jade druid" more than the old outdated lists. Repeat for pirate warrior, face druid and murloc paladin. Obviously these decks are all doing bad now because everyone is playing shitty outdated or experimental lists. Shaman and hunter lists have the major advantage of being refined over all of KFT
     even in a theoretically sense, spreading plagued got nerfed a higher percentage of it's total mana cost than call of the wild , and that's on top of the entire druid deck being out a potential 4 free mana over the course of a game which is like up to an additional 4 mana nerfs per game
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
    It really isn't, The meta needs more than 8h to settle.  it takes more than 8h for someone to find the best jade druid lists without innervate. It takes more than another 8h for that list to become popularized enough for the trackers to start tracking those as "jade druid" more than the old outdated lists. Repeat for pirate warrior, face druid and murloc paladin. Obviously these decks are all doing bad now because everyone is playing shitty outdated or experimental lists. Shaman and hunter lists have the major advantage of being refined over all of KFT
    existentially nerfed pirate warrior is at 55% and the "refined" kazakus priest only 50
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from mungo2613 >>

    Most statistical analysis relies on the assumption that the underlying model used for the data does not change significantly over time. If a sudden trend appears and becomes popular (like when the token shaman list started to get popular quite a long way into the Un'Goro meta, before then elemental shaman was what people played and it was pretty bad) you have to re-evaluate the data.

    Vicious Syndicate reset all their win rate stats during Un'Goro meta since the meta changed significantly when token shaman became a tier 1 deck.

     there is no such assumption here. this is just a record of what's going on in the current meta
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from ser_pounce >>

    A lot of the pre nerf bitching had to do with how razakus priest would be over powered and jade druid would still be overpowered. Initial stats have the 2 decks at 50%, far behind the likes of midrange hunter and token shaman  https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/data-reaper-live-beta/?utm_source=main-nav&utm_medium=link

     The link in the original post is now obsolete because they reset everything to "other priest' "other shaman" etc.  we can still see however that shaman and hunter have the highest winrates as classes

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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from ser_pounce >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
     for example if I knew that razakus priest would eventually climb to 54% that fact would currently be unusable. the only stats relevant to current games are current stats
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    There's a reason VS doesn't release the written meta report articles until a few weeks after major changes like this. Even though they have readable stats as early as now, they know it's not usable yet

     of course it's useable. 56% of the games where a player is using token shaman or midrange hunter that player wins.  It's the same concept as later on . The meta may change but the statistics accurately reflect what's currently going on
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    posted a message on stats are in , jade druid and razakus priest only 50%
    Quote from GhostTrickx1 >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>

    A lot of the pre nerf bitching had to do with how razakus priest would be over powered and jade druid would still be overpowered. Initial stats have the 2 decks at 50%, far behind the likes of midrange hunter and token shaman  https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/data-reaper-live-beta/?utm_source=main-nav&utm_medium=link

     Wow bro, a whole day worth of stats before the meta has settled in again really proves everyone wrong! 
     
    Quote from GhostTrickx1 >>
    Quote from ser_pounce >>

    A lot of the pre nerf bitching had to do with how razakus priest would be over powered and jade druid would still be overpowered. Initial stats have the 2 decks at 50%, far behind the likes of midrange hunter and token shaman  https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/data-reaper-live-beta/?utm_source=main-nav&utm_medium=link

     Wow bro, a whole day worth of stats before the meta has settled in again really proves everyone wrong! 
     it proves more than blind speculation based on that one time you got really owned by a deck pre nerf that made you super raged and sure it would always be OP despite drastic changes
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