If you mean Incanter's Flow, that's obviously a part of spell mage, as well as the rest of the combos others have mentioned in wild.
My argument is I'm not the one responsible for making an argument. Anyone who has thrown out reasons for why the card is allegedly over powered has riddled their own posts with inaccuracies and downright fabrications or mistakes (doesn't really matter which).
You mention the card not being free as if the point was you had to wait till turn 4 to play it. I realize it's daunting making it 5 sentences into my wall of text, but if you had, you'd know that wasn't the point at all. The point is the card IS NOT FREE except in cases where the deck is only made of spells.
Honestly though, in one post you lament walls of text and ask for an argument. Pick one. I'm not going to handicap myself to a character count.
Better yet, just forget it. You're clearly convinced it's a broken card despite the deck you're insisting on discussing falling way out of favor. I've played hundreds of games since the Lunacy nerf and have run into single digit numbers of pure Spell Mage. I still see RSW in decks, because it's obviously a good card, but there are creatures in those decks, so insisting on calling it a free card is pointless to argue against.
But I posted all this in the "wall" so I don't know what good it's going to do here.
Why is the burden to prove it is overpowered? Perhaps the burden should be on the blizzard defender to explain why zero mana draw 2 is not overpowered.
One other thing. Despite my innate hostility towards people who do the wall of text or "you think you're clever" schtick, make no mistake. I'm only continuing this conversation because I assume you are dealing in good faith and am trying to do the same.
You'll notice I no longer reply to Hoogout or yepapapa (misspellings likely). Hoog went off the deepend into full-fledged racism and yep exposed himself as an unabashed troll after I tried to engage with them repeatedly. It may not feel like a compliment when I reply to you, but I mean it as one.
so you can call people racist but when people point out your racism you throw a hissy fit.
Of course you're beyond words, you got called out for an ill-considered post and can't find the self-awareness to back down. I could quote ten other examples of this same phenomenon playing out in other threads, but as each one individually proves, it wouldn't help.
Auctioneer has been the key to entire archetypes for the duration of Hearthstone's existence. A single Auctioneer will frequently have a much larger impact on a game than a Spring Water, and it can do so for all ten classes. But this was all explained in the previous post, and you chose zero engagement then, so why change now?
As to the OP and whoever suggested that Flamewalker mage dominates a large portion of higher ladder in Wild, you're both completely off the mark. The highest win rates in mage are universally Secret Mage, not anything relating to RSW. Meanwhile, Tax Paladin maintains an oppressive win rate over all mage opponents, and a staggering win rate against this particular type of mage we're discussing.
In standard, the Lunacy nerf certainly didn't kill the deck, but that's a good thing. Nerfs aren't supposed to render entire archetypes unplayable. Anyone who wants to see that result is willingly separating themselves from any balance consideration. However, mage is just not a particularly daunting matchup in standard, as quite a few decks are maintaining 60% win rates against it. So what's the problem?
Oh yes, feelings. I FEEEEEEL like it's a problem, so clearly it is. Ever since the Shudderwock nerf, folks have been trying the nerf by popular demand route. I'm glad Blizzard has ignored a lot more of these campaigns than they've caved to, but it's constantly a worry.
ooh a mountain of text from shadow defending blizzard or this time the mods, what a shocking development.
The comparison is perfectly valid. Your assertion that my example was about power levels of the cards is not. Thats the point.
Actually, that said, Gadgetzan actually dwarfs RSF’s power level considerably, so your argument would have been hopelessly incorrect in any case. Gadgetzan has use in so many more situations, AND is a neutral card AND does not have a bad downside AND actually does allow you to draw your whole deck whereas RSF draws two cards, possibly for worse cost than Arcane Intellect.
The more you consider the actual facts of the two cards, the more you would have to admit that Gadgetzan is a MUCH more powerful card overall.
lol, you said Gadgetzan dwarfs RSW power level........I am beyond words.
Rogues and Druids (and to a lesser extent Warlocks) have been doing the deck cycling thing for a long time in previous expansions - Gadgetzan Auctioneer has been a central figure in that regard for a long time.
That said, the OP Post probably belongs in the Salt thread, but I'll let it be for the moment and see how this progresses.
hey guys, lets not talk about an oppressive unfun deck that ruins standard which blizzard had the opportunity to nerf but could not understand that refreshing spring water is a ridiculously OP card. Let's keep those posts in the nerd rage ghetto so people are not confronted with things like this.
Also, if you think Gadgeteer is similar to RSW in power level.......just lol.
Oh, you're saying you WANT this kind of discussion to be curtailed and ignored, and not given the reasonable benefit of the doubt - you know, like I LITERALLY just did right there? Maybe rethink your opinion on that one? You seemed to respond in haste.
Also, nobody compared power levels of anything, merely mechanics and decks that use that sort of mechanic. (Or specifically, a card that allows them to). Honestly, if you're not even going to read the posts properly.... yikes...!
/smh
so why throw out a comparison that you now admit is invalid?
Rogues and Druids (and to a lesser extent Warlocks) have been doing the deck cycling thing for a long time in previous expansions - Gadgetzan Auctioneer has been a central figure in that regard for a long time.
That said, the OP Post probably belongs in the Salt thread, but I'll let it be for the moment and see how this progresses.
hey guys, lets not talk about an oppressive unfun deck that ruins standard which blizzard had the opportunity to nerf but could not understand that refreshing spring water is a ridiculously OP card. Let's keep those posts in the nerd rage ghetto so people are not confronted with things like this.
Also, if you think Gadgeteer is similar to RSW in power level.......just lol.
Why is the burden to prove it is overpowered? Perhaps the burden should be on the blizzard defender to explain why zero mana draw 2 is not overpowered.
so you can call people racist but when people point out your racism you throw a hissy fit.
ooh a mountain of text from shadow defending blizzard or this time the mods, what a shocking development.
lol, you said Gadgetzan dwarfs RSW power level........I am beyond words.
so why throw out a comparison that you now admit is invalid?
hey guys, lets not talk about an oppressive unfun deck that ruins standard which blizzard had the opportunity to nerf but could not understand that refreshing spring water is a ridiculously OP card. Let's keep those posts in the nerd rage ghetto so people are not confronted with things like this.
Also, if you think Gadgeteer is similar to RSW in power level.......just lol.