Hearthpwn

I really like the look of this deck and it might be just the thing to get me to play Mage again (I've shunned it lately out of disgust for the standard MechMage aggro bullshit).  One replacement question:  I have no The Black Knight yet; what would you suggest to fill this spot?  Bomb Lobber, Polymorph, a Silence?

Sorry for no response; I wish comments on decklists would show up on my notifications list. Obviously, with a whole new meta and a bunch of new cards this deck would look a bit different if I were still running it. I might throw together a BRM list to dust this off again. At this point polymorph or a silence minion or emperor would probably be best. I'd make it emperor as I think he belongs in just about every midrange/control deck.

Recently I've been having the issue of there being so much BGH, Mirror Entity, and MC Tech in the meta that people are playing/building around them fairly well. Without those tempo cards, or at least comparative value from them, a lot of our deck's value is lost. I still love this deck, so I'm sticking with it and doing more testing, but it may be better for non-die hard fans to shelf it for a bit until the meta changes. Unless, of course, you're not seeing the same meta I am. Then keep on kicking butt with this fun deck.

I've lost 3 in a row with this deck @ rank 12. Idk. Maybe RNG? Getting rushed down with Lock Zoo and Huntard. Unlucky? Idk.

0-5. Add 2 handlocks that dominated me, even when I echo'd a BGH and tried to control his HP. Maybe I just run bad. Or maybe I'm an idiot.

Maybe it was RNG. I've won 5 in a row.

Haha, it is a little RNG-y of a deck. I have had those swings, too. I'm still tweaking it to try to fix consistency issues and, as always, adapt to the meta. Zoo and huntard are close matchups that are very draw dependent. I now win more than half for both of those, but it did take a little practice. You are the control deck, of course, so you just need to make your plays with that in mind. Those are also two of the matchups where I'd keep mind control tech and maybe blastmage, just because of the value.

As for handlock, I haven't tested too much against them because they were mostly gone for a while due to mech mage and hunter. However, I have noticed an uptick myself. It is not an easy matchup because they have 4-6 threats we need to answer and we have only about 3 answers (BGH, TBK, Sylvanas). Therefore, the key is to get multiple copies of your answers (dups and echoes, of course), and to watch their life total so that they can't get those threats out too fast, of course. I think without face burn, our matchup versus handlock is disfavored but certainly not impossible--I got this one poor handlock with 3 BGH and 2 TBK once; needless to say, I won that game.

Just faced 3 stall mages in 4 games (2 fatigue mage, one "traditional" or "combo" freeze mage, whatever you want to call it). That Kezan mystic is looking pretty good. Also, got my first "Rage Friend Request" of the season. That RFR was pretty funny because that derp clearly couldn't even comprehend that echo mage is a real thing. All in all, a good Saturday thus far.

I took the time to play 30 games with this deck. My final score with the deck was 20-10, at 66% win rate. Here are my findings.

1.) It's exceedingly good against control matchups. I'm 4-0 against druids, 3-0 against warriors, 3-1 against paladins, and 1-1 against Shamans (not enough data obviously).

2.) It struggles slightly against aggro. I faced 6 mages in this time and went 2-4. I faced three hunters and went 1-2. I did manage to go 4-2 against warlock though, which was refreshing. Hard aggro is the most volatile matchup so I'll need to play more to learn about it.

3,) I'm not sure about the double echo. Echo is amazing, yes, but in the vast majority of games I only end up using it once, if even that. As was said frequently when the card was first discussed, echo somewhat requires you to be ahead on board before making the most out of it. It can be a very dead card and eat up your entire turn early game so it requires you to really weigh the risks of playing it. One echo may be more reliable than two.

4.) Kel'Thuzad seems to be the all star of this deck and really brought home a lot of games for me.

Good deck concept and a lot of fun! I'm looking forward to playing more games.

I'm glad you like it and it worked pretty well for you. Since you took the time to play a good chunk of games and to respond, I'll respond to each point in turn, too:

1) I, too, have found it to be pretty solid against these matchups. Glad to have concurrence. I have a particularly good matchup versus druid; I'm sure I'm not 100% against them, but I can't now recall any losses.

2) I'm not sure if my aggro matchups have been as bad as your data suggests yours were. I have certainly been stomped a few times when they get killer starts and I stumbled a bit, but I think I'm still winning 50+%. I guess you're almost at 50% overall with 7-8, so maybe there's just some RNG differences between our experiences. The key is efficient trades, life gain, and playing for the late-game. I still have not lost to a hunter in which I was able to play more than one healbot--as a result, when I play against aggro decks, I try to hold off on healbot as long as I can to make sure I can echo and/or duplicate it. If you keep struggling against and facing a lot of aggro decks, I'd suggest some tweaks to help: Pilot golem can become a sludge belcher, enhance-o can become a farseer maybe, one or both cogmasters can become zombie chows. That makes it a tiny bit less mechy, but I'd rather win more games in an aggro meta than lose a few just for the sake of a clever (I think I'm clever, anyway) deck name.

3) This point is very interesting. I'm always looking to make changes, but I was pretty sure 2 was the way to go (even if I occasionally get both in my opening hand and ultimately lose). I even told a poor guy who commented before you that the deck might as well not be an echo deck with only one. :X In my next batch of testing, I'll see about trying it out with only 1 and if that gives me enough lasting power. Would you sub with a different card draw/ tempo card, or something else?

4) Agreed. I have been very happy with KT. When I play him, he's almost always a 3-for-1 or more (I trade one or two guys who come back, they spend removal on KT or run a fatty into him to get rid of him or he stays and I win the game). That kind of tempo just wins games, even if he's only alive for that initial turn.

I made a simliar deck tho i need all the help i can get to make it perform smoother

A couple of examples, whethever if i should use 1 or 2 unstable portals?, add explosive sheep for rush deck control? run 2-3 secrets and a mad scientist, but the problem is that this might be quite bad if u actually have the secrets in ur hand since it will probably be quite slow? swap lil' exorcist? Recently swapped 2 Harvest golems to 2 Spider tanks since spider tanks is way stronger and gives alot more power since harvest golems are for deathrattle decks wich i was kind of stupid not to notice that i should have done this swap earlier, also this small change made alot of improvement to the deck and made me win games alot easier so yea, there are many possibilities.

As u can see i have many questions and wonders about swapping and adding few cards to the deck to make it a really good and strong deck, all help is appriciated, dont worry to give some tips and improvement of this deck.

i'd say use Harrison Jones instead of Ooze, tho i don't have that card yet.

Hey man, I'll definitely answer any questions/give any advice I can here. Then I'll go to your deck's page and ask my questions because that seems fair... 

1 or 2 portals?: As you can see, I currently run 0. That is because mechs are pretty solid in the 2-3 slot. Portal is ideal on turn 2 so that you can play whatever you get as early as possible, BUT portal is usually a secondary play to your main gameplan, so it rarely gets played on turn 2 in mech. Your version has slightly fewer mechs/other early game cards, it looks like,  so you can afford to portal early sometimes. In sum, I would build the deck to 28 cards and see if the portals fit in one or two of those last slots. Be mindful of your curve and when you want to play the portal, and be mindful of the two cards that would be in there if not for portals.

Sheep?: No. That's a different echo deck--the fatigue mage one. I've only played against it twice, thank god, but it seems decent enough. I have no idea what would possess a person to play that over other options in terms of fun and time-value, but that's just me. THIS version of echo does not want all the board wipes that hurt our board as well because we play to build up a big echo. Killing your own guys is not worth it for the value you get hurting their side unless, maybe, you are facing a million hunters. But even then, I'd sooner try other options.

2-3 secrets + scientist?: Highly recommended, but not absolutely required. I have in my write-up that mirror entity is a staple for echo decks, and I still believe that. You get crazy value whenever a scientist trades with a 1-or-2 drop, gets you a mirror entity, and then effectively counters their next creature. It's extra valuable to echo, over other minion-based mages, because it lets you play minions with their mana, setting up a bigger echo faster. But, thanks to kolento, a lot of people are running mirror entity and, consequently, a lot of people are decent at playing around it. It makes the card less powerful, but by no means bad. I think, still worth it. Because when people play around mirror entity it means they have to play their deck suboptimally (hold 1-drops to late game, not play mid-and-late game cards on curve, etc.). The value of scientist pulling a secret is definitely worth the cost of you drawing a secret and/or him whiffing sometimes. You are paying 2 mana for a 2/2 + draw/search deck for secret + play 3cc secret. That's like 4-5cc value when it works. TL;DR: huge amounts of value, slightly less than before because expected now, I still think it's worth it.

lil exorcist?: I don't think she's great now that undertaker has been nerfed, but every deck will have a few targets. The problem is that her effect is good, but not fantastic. It might not be worth holding her until she can get buff instead of playing her on-curve. Again, if you are seeing a lot more deathrattle than I am, I can see this being a good fit for you. Personally, I'm SBing her until I see more than just a few deathrattles per deck.

spider tank v. harvest golem: Speaking of deathrattle, it's why the golem is in my list over the tank. Yes, the tank has a bit more immediate presence. However, the deathrattle stickiness makes golem less susceptible to most targeted removal (crackle, swipe, etc.), gives me "insurance" against AoE, and helps build up bigger echoes. Between blastmage and echo, I want him to stick around if I can. That's why I prefer harvest golem in this type of deck.

The last thing I have to say here, right now, is that you should get that second echo! Every once in awhile I have both in my hand early and I'm like -__- but usually I draw about one per game. If I drew one every other game, I don't think I would win as frequently.

GL, thanks for the post, I hope I helped.

I swear, I have the worst luck with these decks, I never draw answers to the opponent's board and they always clear and I die with useless echo's in hand. Or course, I mulligan the echo's away and focus on early game but I always seem to draw one or more early and for echo's to be useful you need to have a board and 4 mana spare which only seems to happen with this deck if you got lucky or your opponent grossly misplayed. Without burn Echo has always felt like a luck harder kind of deck.

Maybe it just doesn't fit my playstyle, which is usually more control focused and looking to get value from spells, of which this has none. 

I'm like 1-9 with this. The 1 win was because I had a perfect draw. Would love some advice, but I just can't see how echo decks are anything but 100% draw luck. There's no way to actually get back in the game if you're behind (MCT it far too situational), mirror's are very easy to play around if your opponent knows what they're doing and the actual Echo's are dead and useless cards in my hand in literally 70% of my games thus far - the other 2 games I lost I never drew them, mostly just died with Kel'thuzad also dead in hand every game, I've had him in hand about 50% of the time and not once was he playable as anything more than an expensive speedbump onto an empty board to stave off lethal for a turn. There's Just far too many dead or unplayable cards every game. 

Hey man,

I can try to help out, but I'm not sure how helpful it will really be.

First of all, what types of decks are you playing against? This deck is about reacting to the meta and it is possible you're just playing it in the wrong part of the ladder. I can tell you that I played it from rank 11-5 in the past two days with I'd estimate about a 70-80 win% in that time--so it can work at least at that point in the ladder.

Which leads me to my second point: play style and skill. I've only taken this to rank 5 so far, and I'm not pushing too hard on it because, obviously, legend this season is off the table now. If I were to go try-hard for more than a few days, I'm not sure how far I could take it. But, I also know that I am a good-not-great player who loves midrange. If you are an average-not-good player, or if the fact that it's midrange really doesn't work for you, then that's part of your problem. Midrange requires that each turn is a reaction to your opponent, more so than either aggro or control. This means there are, generally speaking, more opportunities for misplays. It doesn't help that this deck runs lots of situational cards: this requires you to know when it is better to "bite the bullet" and waste some potential value for some immediate value (like deciding to play a BGH or a TBK without a target).

Finally, there is the obvious issue of RNG that's throughout hearthstone, of course. I totally understand that this deck CAN give complete garbage starts. I went on a 3-4 game losing streak when every start was "mull 3, nonetheless start with TBK, Echo, KT in hand." With the exception of some aggro decks like zoo, that's just what happens when you have a game with small starting hands and a deck with any sort of mana curve. I ended up win streaking through three ranks after that losing streak, including a few games with something like cogmaster, coin, cogmaster -> annoy-o-tron starts. It happens. I will say, however, that this deck has a pretty healthy curve around 3cc (as you can see), which means that with decent mulligans you should usually have some sort of early game play. Sometimes you just get left in the dust--that also happens. To answer your direct question: echo decks are more than just about the draw because you are always trying to win board position through favorable trades. Echo turns small, incremental advantage plays into huge advantage, so every decision matters.

TL;DR: If I get more info, I might be able to give more concrete tips. Quick tips: 1) every play matters, trade to build the board; 2) mulligan for early plays; 3) play to your strengths in terms of playstyle; and 4) sometimes RNG happens and we just need to accept it.

Feel free to respond with more or add me in-game to watch me play it. Like I said before, I'm no pro, but it may give you some idea about what you might be missing.

Echo mech is a STRONG independent mech deck who don't need no card draw. 

OK, after about 6 hours of testing here are the changes I'm comfortable with. 

Mech-o my Echo

• 1 x Sylvanas Windrunner
• 1 x Flamestrike
• 1 x Big Game Hunter
• 1 x Mind Control Tech
• 2 x Harvest Golem
• 1 x The Black Knight
• 2 x Mirror Entity
• 2 x Duplicate
• 1 x Loatheb
• 2 x Mad Scientist
• 2 x Sludge Belcher
• 1 x Enhance-o Mechano
• 2 x Cogmaster
• 1 x Sneed's Old Shredder
• 2 x Mechwarper
• 2 x Piloted Shredder
• 2 x Goblin Blastmage
• 1 x Antique Healbot
• 1 x Snowchugger
• 2 x Echo of Medivh

I only have one echo. Would you say it is still playable?

Still playable, for sure. I might go with another duplicate in its place as a 1-for-1 replacement. The problem with that, of course, is that your opponent gets to control when it procs. For that reason, another decent replacement would be to throw in a midranged tempo card (unstable portal, defender of argus, water elemental, fireball, another copy of some of the 1-ofs in the deck, one of a few mid-range mechs like spider tank, etc.) so as to up the overall value of the cards in the deck instead of trying to get more of them. GL and let me know if either of those plans work out for you.

I've won matches with out echo but it would be a reg mech deck after that

That's pretty much what I was thinking. Without the second echo you can either make it more "mechy" or resign yourself to a slightly gimpy version. Like g4m3sh4rk said, you don't need echo every game, but it is the card this build is based around.

Jeeves maybe. 

I think the curve may be a little too high in this deck for Jeeves. If I wanted extra draw, I think I'd try Cult Master first. I imagine you could usually draw a few cards from it, even without a UTH or Mustard-type card.