Like, hes a literal Pirate captain. He should totally get pirate synergies.
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"Behind my Eyelids are islands of violence. My mind's shipwrecked, this is the only land my mind could find. I did not know it was such a violent island. Full of tidal waves, suicidal crazed lions. They're trying to eat me, blood running down their chin and i know that i can fight or i can let the lion win. I begin to assemble what weapons i can find. 'Cause sometimes to stay alive you gotta kill your mind."
Not all defias are pirates. There are many rogues and other types as well.
And yeah vancleef makes more sense as a pirate (he is a rogue in wow, but we dont have rogue minion types). But maybe that was too much synergy in vanilla HS
Noy many class legendaries had a type-tag in vanilla. King Krush is a beast, but he got 1 mana too expensive to be playable for it. Lord Jaraxxus is a demon, but not really a minion before Voidcaller.
Vanilla was never about tribes, murlocs were good at some point, but that was it.
The reason, though: his art does not strike me as an archetypical pirate, and his text has nothing to do with the weapon synergy pirates are all about.
quite a few cards should be labeled properly with their types like bugs that aren't labeled beasts when they should be (looking at you Fatespinner )
Fatespinner is from a sapient race of Nerubians, so not a beast.
Also, Edwin is probably not a pirate, he leads the Defias Brotherhood, which also has a pirate ship under it's wings, but the ship's captain used to be Captain Greenskin and after his death, Admiral Ripsnarl took his place as the ship's captain.
It's like calling a President of US a sailor, because he is also a commander of a fleet.
quite a few cards should be labeled properly with their types like bugs that aren't labeled beasts when they should be (looking at you Fatespinner )
Fatespinner is from a sapient race of Nerubians, so not a beast.
Also, Edwin is probably not a pirate, he leads the Defias Brotherhood, which also has a pirate ship under it's wings, but the ship's captain used to be Captain Greenskin and after his death, Admiral Ripsnarl took his place as the ship's captain.
It's like calling a President of US a sailor, because he is also a commander of a fleet.
You're going too much into "what is lore" which is vsing what is the class identity. druid is naturally a beast identity class. When you get scarabs and spiders for the whole set that are beasts and then you get something that is called fatespinner that looks like another bug that follows up on the spider and scarabs theme and its not a beast it confuses players who are not lore nazis. This is all partially Blizzards fault because Nerubians at this point should have their own tribe tag, but I hope you can understand what I mean.
quite a few cards should be labeled properly with their types like bugs that aren't labeled beasts when they should be (looking at you Fatespinner )
Fatespinner is from a sapient race of Nerubians, so not a beast.
Also, Edwin is probably not a pirate, he leads the Defias Brotherhood, which also has a pirate ship under it's wings, but the ship's captain used to be Captain Greenskin and after his death, Admiral Ripsnarl took his place as the ship's captain.
It's like calling a President of US a sailor, because he is also a commander of a fleet.
You're going too much into "what is lore" which is vsing what is the class identity. druid is naturally a beast identity class. When you get scarabs and spiders for the whole set that are beasts and then you get something that is called fatespinner that looks like another bug that follows up on the spider and scarabs theme and its not a beast it confuses players who are not lore nazis. This is all partially Blizzards fault because Nerubians at this point should have their own tribe tag, but I hope you can understand what I mean.
It's like saying that since humans had evolved from monkeys than they should have the tag "Beast". Nerubian are an evolved race of spider, why they have to be tagged as normal insects?
I agree with you that it may be confusing but it's somehow consistent as it is actually.
Off-topic: Nerubian have more in common with Mantids (Xaril's species of mantis humanoids) than with spiders and scarabs. It's not about being lore nazis. It's about flavor consistency (the nerubian that spawns from nerubian egg isn't a beast, why would fatespinner be so?).
On-topic: Defias and Pirates are separate organizations. Defias are thiefs and assassins that want to get back at the kingdom of Stormwind because they didn't get pay (because of the machinations of Onyxia in her human form Lady Prestor). Pirates in Warcraft are the classic pirates, freebooter that go around in their ships plundering.
Like, hes a literal Pirate captain. He should totally get pirate synergies.
"Behind my Eyelids are islands of violence. My mind's shipwrecked, this is the only land my mind could find. I did not know it was such a violent island. Full of tidal waves, suicidal crazed lions. They're trying to eat me, blood running down their chin and i know that i can fight or i can let the lion win. I begin to assemble what weapons i can find. 'Cause sometimes to stay alive you gotta kill your mind."
I agree. There's no argument for him to not be a pirate. Lore-wise and physically he is the pirate but you know, Blizzard logic.
yeah shouldn't Defias Ringleader and his token also be pirates?
quite a few cards should be labeled properly with their types like bugs that aren't labeled beasts when they should be (looking at you Fatespinner )
I`ve been making the same question to myself, mabe he gets the tag if those rumor of a Deadmines expansion are true.
Noy many class legendaries had a type-tag in vanilla. King Krush is a beast, but he got 1 mana too expensive to be playable for it. Lord Jaraxxus is a demon, but not really a minion before Voidcaller.
Vanilla was never about tribes, murlocs were good at some point, but that was it.
The reason, though: his art does not strike me as an archetypical pirate, and his text has nothing to do with the weapon synergy pirates are all about.
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I guess it depends on your perspective, is Will Turner a pirate? I guess I would say Van Cleef is a pirate, but I can see why he wouldn't be.
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
Why isn't VanCleef a Pirate?
Same reason Wrathion isn't a dragon.
Otherwise he might be useful. Freaking Wrathion.
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Off-topic: Nerubian have more in common with Mantids (Xaril's species of mantis humanoids) than with spiders and scarabs. It's not about being lore nazis. It's about flavor consistency (the nerubian that spawns from nerubian egg isn't a beast, why would fatespinner be so?).
On-topic: Defias and Pirates are separate organizations. Defias are thiefs and assassins that want to get back at the kingdom of Stormwind because they didn't get pay (because of the machinations of Onyxia in her human form Lady Prestor). Pirates in Warcraft are the classic pirates, freebooter that go around in their ships plundering.