This is a better combo than Frost Nova + Doomsayer so I am pretty sure they'll be run as two offs. Sure Treachery standalone is nowhere near as good as Frost Nova, but as Warlock you draw a lot more and the effectiveness of the combo is too high to ignore. Unless Defile makes the need for this combo obsolete, I don't see why you wouldn't run two.
It is not a better combo than Frost Nova + Doomsayer, because one of the strongest things with Nova/Doom combo is that you basically kill their next turn.
I guess it depends on whether you wanna guarantee the proc or not. A lot of decks have ways to offset the problem by doing smth else with their mana. As a Druid you can Nourish, Mage can discover more random stuff, Priest likely doesn't care, I can go on, but the frost nova + doomsayer combo is better if you want to kill an extra turn of an aggressive strategy (that really needs to get on the board to win like Druid/Zoo, a Pirate Warrior can just Arcanite Reaper), whereas this combo has no answer. On top of that Warlocks strategy probably prefers the destruction consistency since you have a ton of board clears anyway so what's an extra board to clear?
Wild pyro/consecration+equality is a good board clear because all those cards are good on their own, you don't absolutely need to play them in the same turn, and they can be useful without the other part of the combo. Doomsayer+this, on the other hand, is not as good because doomsayer is good on his own, but this card is not. If you have this in your hand but you don't have doomsayer is a completely dead card. Frost nova doesn't need doomsayer either, it can be used just to buy a turn.
Maybe there's other good cards remaining which could work fine with this one.
Maximum value with Bomb Squad. I expect Hearthpwn to underrate this card as they do with every card that's slightly more complex.
This card resembles Purify. It's complete garbage unless you design a deck around it. I really don't consider it terribly complex.
Within hearthstone it is. In the greater scheme of card games it isn't. No one built a deck around purify, was added to an existing concept. Silence priest was around, and bad, long before purify. Hell purify itself didn't make silence priest good. It wasn't until this expansion that silence priest was decent because finally there were enough cards to truly support it (razorleaf).
This card on the other hand is interesting. I think that you could potentially build a deck that utilizes it but I don't think it's going to be built around it. At the moment the best cards to use this with are bombsquad and doomsayer. That provides four targets for an effect you only have two of. Luckily enough doomsayer is strong enough on it's own, so you don't necessarily need the combo to utilize him. Still you wouldn't want to add too many other targets of this effect into a deck. I mean you can make a weird meme deck utilizing Bittertide Hydra as someone pointed out lol, though I honestly think it's better to maybe just add this and bombsquad into a already controlly warlock deck.
As a board clear this more Doomsayer is a buffed Nova + Doom, the problem is that outside the combo this new card seems a bit useless, while Nova can be used on its own.
Unless we get some other good interactions I don't think it'll make the cut. Warlock is well served of board clear and spot removal already, that is not what is keeping it out of competitive play.
As a board clear this more Doomsayer is a buffed Nova + Doom, the problem is that outside the combo this new card seems a bit useless, while Nova can be used on its own.
Unless we get some other good interactions I don't think it'll make the cut. Warlock is well served of board clear and spot removal already, that is not what is keeping it out of competitive play.
You make a good point. Still, I'll give it a go. Warlock gets to draw lot which helps with combo clear set ups. It doesn't guarantee shit though. Though I really like this card and it's potential.
My hunter will demolish the warlock long before any of this Johnny nonsense can be played. A lot of this theorycraft presumes you have the cards in hand.
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I wouldn't it is better than nova doomslayer. Your opponent can flood the board right after the doomslayer explodes. Nova/doomslayer gives you a chance of having completely free board.
Could see play in combination with negative deathrattle effects, too.
Maximum value with Bomb Squad. I expect Hearthpwn to underrate this card as they do with every card that's slightly more complex.
I really want to build a wild mill deck with this and Fel Reaver now, but that would mean I'd have to craft the terrible Gnomeferatus :S
As of this card? I'd much rather craft this than Gnomeferatu just for the meme potential :^)
So it synergises with Ticking Abomination, Unlicensed Apothecary, Doomsayer, Zombie Chow, Loot Hoarder (Maybe a fatigue Warlock could be a thing with Gnomeferatu), Corrupted Healbot and Bomb Squad. Now obviously it's a lot of mana but there are definitetly some meme decks and combo decks with these cards..
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As a board clear this more Doomsayer is a buffed Nova + Doom, the problem is that outside the combo this new card seems a bit useless, while Nova can be used on its own.
Unless we get some other good interactions I don't think it'll make the cut. Warlock is well served of board clear and spot removal already, that is not what is keeping it out of competitive play.
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My hunter will demolish the warlock long before any of this Johnny nonsense can be played. A lot of this theorycraft presumes you have the cards in hand.
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I wouldn't it is better than nova doomslayer. Your opponent can flood the board right after the doomslayer explodes. Nova/doomslayer gives you a chance of having completely free board.
That's right. But it's also right that nova-doomslayer can be countered by killing doomslayer and in this way it CAN'T be countered.
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Handlock had molten giants.
THIS is officially my favorite card of the expansion.
I don't care if it's top tier, and I don't care what else is revealed after today.
I've been waiting for this card for years!
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