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    posted a message on How good is Grand Archivist in Warrior?

    Interesting idea, but since you cut so many spells already to make your Archivist better then I'd also drop this Stolen Goods as it is very lackluster to get with Archivist.

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    posted a message on What can i do against cube and demon warlock with spell hunter?
    Quote from robert_fanr >>
    Quote from FerreiraDaSilva >>
    Quote from robert_fanr >>
     The thing about secrets is they are not effective vs a good opponent.
    For example if it's turn 2, I only have a 1 1 on the board and the opponent just coined out a secret I am not going to attack face so he does not get value from monster trap.
    If I have a couple of low health minions and the opponent plays a secret I always trade into his minions first and attack face when explosive does the least damage to my board.
    Sometime when I play vs hunter I just don't attack face or play spells at all for several turns and his secrets are completely useless . Then, when I am able to handle his secrets I attack.
    Sure they can get lucky having the best hand possible and I have a bad hand but that does not happen often. If you play well vs hunter you usually win.
     The thing you didn't realize is: if you slow down your game plan for a few turns - actually screw this, even if for a single turn - due to only a 2 dmg AoE or a 4/2 token, this can (and will) be capitalized by a good Spell Hunter player.
     Pally doesn't have any efficient way to play around Explosive Trap aside from highrolling Divine Shield from Unidentified Maul or do nothing until find Tarim. Aggro Druid can be more resilient to it if they can hit Mark of the Lotus into a early board, but then you have other tools to deal with it.
     Sure, you can wait until you manage to play around the most popular secrets you expect to face, but then I can dig for my stuff better than any aggro deck with Tracking. Not to mention the usual stuff you should pick as a SH player, like Candleshot and Unleash the Hounds.
     Eventually DK's AoE can give you a more proactive way to deal with swarming (and stalling) boards, Mark of the Hunter has synergy with half of the spells and weapons of the deck and can deal with any fatty minion an aggro player may land on board - specially that comeback Creeper.

     The deck itself is very inconsistent, but you have plenty of tools to deal and eventually outvalue aggro - way more than against control or combo - so, once you master how to mulligan against each match up, which cards to pick with Tracking (and when to cast it) you'll get way better winrates against Tempo Rogue than facing Cubelock.
     


     Tell you what:
    Let's settle this: how would you like to play a best of 5/7 vs me: spell hunter vs aggro .
    I'm actually curios to see how it goes.
    PM for details if interested.
     No problem with this, except for the fact it doesn't prove a thing. But we can give it a try, anyway.
    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on What can i do against cube and demon warlock with spell hunter?
    Quote from robert_fanr >>
     The thing about secrets is they are not effective vs a good opponent.
    For example if it's turn 2, I only have a 1 1 on the board and the opponent just coined out a secret I am not going to attack face so he does not get value from monster trap.
    If I have a couple of low health minions and the opponent plays a secret I always trade into his minions first and attack face when explosive does the least damage to my board.
    Sometime when I play vs hunter I just don't attack face or play spells at all for several turns and his secrets are completely useless . Then, when I am able to handle his secrets I attack.
    Sure they can get lucky having the best hand possible and I have a bad hand but that does not happen often. If you play well vs hunter you usually win.
     The thing you didn't realize is: if you slow down your game plan for a few turns - actually screw this, even if for a single turn - due to only a 2 dmg AoE or a 4/2 token, this can (and will) be capitalized by a good Spell Hunter player.
     Pally doesn't have any efficient way to play around Explosive Trap aside from highrolling Divine Shield from Unidentified Maul or do nothing until find Tarim. Aggro Druid can be more resilient to it if they can hit Mark of the Lotus into a early board, but then you have other tools to deal with it.
     Sure, you can wait until you manage to play around the most popular secrets you expect to face, but then I can dig for my stuff better than any aggro deck with Tracking. Not to mention the usual stuff you should pick as a SH player, like Candleshot and Unleash the Hounds.
     Eventually DK's AoE can give you a more proactive way to deal with swarming (and stalling) boards, Mark of the Hunter has synergy with half of the spells and weapons of the deck and can deal with any fatty minion an aggro player may land on board - specially that comeback Creeper.

     The deck itself is very inconsistent, but you have plenty of tools to deal and eventually outvalue aggro - way more than against control or combo - so, once you master how to mulligan against each match up, which cards to pick with Tracking (and when to cast it) you'll get way better winrates against Tempo Rogue than facing Cubelock.
     


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    posted a message on What can i do against cube and demon warlock with spell hunter?
    Quote from robert_fanr >>
    Quote from FerreiraDaSilva >>
    Quote from Kovachut >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    Just don't play spell hunter... it was only good because people were memeing around without knowing what decks were competitive.  And it countered secret mage, which isn't as popular now

    Basically this.
    Spell hunter was always a meme deck for me - you only slow yourself down, you give your opponent all the time they need. Why would you play a meme deck and ask for advises on how to do well against a competitive one?
     Streamers and pro-players were messing around with Barnes Hunter prototypes at high legend way before KnC. The deck is even more viable now.
    Sure, it isn't tier 1 or whatever, but it has some really good match ups against aggro and can steal some wins from Cubelock and Jade Druid which are the only real bad MUs.
    Good match ups vs aggro LUL .
    At what rank is that ? Cause when I play my aggro paly / druid the happiest thing to see is hunter . hunter has no life gain and no board clear . Their only hope to win is to get the board early which is pretty much impossible to do when your deck does not run any minions .
    I say Hunter class as a whole is simply unplayable now (above rank 5 at least) . You will most likely have a negative win rate against pretty much every meta deck . The aggro hunter, which is like the best hunter deck looks like a strictly weaker version of other aggro decks . And spell hunter is just trash (I don't think it has a single good match up vs meta decks) .
     Like I said, many pros and streamers were running a worse version of Barnes Hunter pre-KnC (no Spellstone, Rhok'dellar or Flanking Strike) at legend ranks  - and it did fine just as any tier 2~3 deck piloted by good players.

     However, the statement about the good aggro match up I made based on personal experience since I piloted a Barnes/Y'Saaj variant to legend rank 200~ish last season, with a score of 13-3 if I'm not mistaken.

     Even though Hunter doesn't have the most efficient board clear, against early game swarming decks such as Aggro Druid/Paly you don't need heavy AoE - a well placed Explosive Trap can do the job just as well and way earlier, backed up by Candleshot, Flanking Strike and Unleash the Hounds.

     Running 2x Tracking you can also have some confidence in hitting that Deathstalker's AoE when you need it, and even the popular Corridor Creeper comeback can be matched with a Lesser Spellstone - assuming you didn't keep any valuable secret to upgrade it.

     Spell Hunter has many tools to deal with early aggression - and once you hit T5 upgraded Spellstone most aggro decks fall behind. The lack of healing is troublesome indeed but if you manage to stabilize the only aggressive archetype which can nuke you is Tempo Mage.

     Take a look at Bragi's Spell Hunter list (w/ Barnes). Many people misunderstands that this deck is meant to beat control but they are wrong. A T5 upgraded Spellstone can be easily answered by Warlock or Priest. The ones which get screwed by it are Tempo Rogue or Aggro Pally after you dealt with their initial barrage.
    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on 小青藤's Minionless Build-a-Beast Hunter [65% Winrate]

    The fact this dude reach such high winrate at legend ranks with this particular list only says - aside from his own competence, of course - how viable Spell Hunter actually is, since it doesn't seems like the best list to be honest.

    Posted in: 小青藤's Minionless Build-a-Beast Hunter [65% Winrate]
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    posted a message on What can i do against cube and demon warlock with spell hunter?
    Quote from Kovachut >>
    Quote from NightCrawl3r >>

    Just don't play spell hunter... it was only good because people were memeing around without knowing what decks were competitive.  And it countered secret mage, which isn't as popular now

    Basically this.
    Spell hunter was always a meme deck for me - you only slow yourself down, you give your opponent all the time they need. Why would you play a meme deck and ask for advises on how to do well against a competitive one?
     Streamers and pro-players were messing around with Barnes Hunter prototypes at high legend way before KnC. The deck is even more viable now.
    Sure, it isn't tier 1 or whatever, but it has some really good match ups against aggro and can steal some wins from Cubelock and Jade Druid which are the only real bad MUs.
    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on What can i do against cube and demon warlock with spell hunter?

    You need to rush them, but rush in Spell Hunter style - which basically consist in mulligan for Animal Companion, Cat Trick and Spellstone. If you already have Cat Trick in hand Bow is also decent.

    Deathstalker Rexxar isn’t a good keep, but when I get him on curve it’s usually the right play. Always dig for Charge, Poisonous and Silence keywords when crafting your Zombeasts.

    Personal experience makes me believe that Barnes/Y’saaj variant also has better odds by highrolling a turn 4 10/10 which both Demon and Cube Lock have a lot of trouble dealing with.

    I’d say the match up isn’t hopeless, but Spell Hunter itself has a very inconsistent nature. If you end with Candleshot and Unleash the Hounds in hand you can only pray for some life saving Tracking pick.

    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on 80g Quest Trading - Play A Friend! 5.0

    MrTecoJones#1304

    NA

    Trade only, you go first.

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    posted a message on Big Hunter

    Hey guys, whats up? So basically I'm testing a different (worse?) approach for Big Hunter. It doesn't have insane Barnes high rolls, but may have a more consistently big turn 6. Would appreciate any help and suggestions.

    Here's the decklist:

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    posted a message on Who can stop Warlock, the Tier 1 God??

    Big Priest is quite good against Cube Lock and can also highroll regular Control Lock. Aggro/Tempo decks may start running 2x Silence effects in their lists. Even as a Spell Hunter legend player I always dig for DK so I can pick Silence/Poison/Charge keywords from my zombeasts before the Voidlords get out of control.

    Warlock and Priest are the two strongest classes right now, with slow control/combo archetypes - other powerful aggro/tempo decks now are better teching against it, and that's it. Nothing so crazy about.

    Posted in: General Discussion
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    posted a message on New Hunter Weapon - Rhok'delar

    It turns out Spell Hunter decks even though far from being meta breakers are very competitive, a borderline tier 2 archetype. It only feels truly bad to play against Cube and Control Lock, everything else is manageable as long as you keep the right mulls and do the right calls.

    Like I mentioned in this very thread, it seems like Barnes/Y'Saaj package fits like a glove into Spell Hunter as well. Currently at 400~ legend rank and 6-0 with it.

    Posted in: Card Discussion
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    posted a message on Aggro Domination in KaC

    Guys which couldn't make the push with their Tempo/Aggro decks until Control/Cube Lock got refined now are stucked in rank 5's floor, at least is what I'm seeing within my friend's list.

    People now got a grasp about what works and what doesn't. Sure, almost any aggro with Corridor Creeper works. Tempo Rogue, Secret Mage and Aggro Paladin are strong decks.

    Thing is: people are quickly putting aside their gimmick homebrews of Big Spell Mage or All Spell Hunter, and sticking with meta decks. No more free wins for Aggro, while Control can now tech properly.

    Aside from explosive openings or a great curve, a good Control/Cube Lock pilot can shut down mostly of the aggro decks. Big Priest also has the tools and the high roll to dominate this decks. Alongside Raza Priest they are the currently four strongest decks in the meta.

    So, there's no aggro domination or whatsoever in high levels of play. Get over it.



    Posted in: General Discussion
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    posted a message on Psychic Scream ruins Spell Hunter

    Turns out that Spell Hunter isn't terrible against Priest, I'd say the worst new card to face is Duskbreaker. 

    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on Why do people say Spell Hunter it's really strong?

    It's bad against Control/Cube Lock, which is a popular tier 1 deck right now. Spell Hunter's only out is to land DK on curve and start generating value minions (Silence/Charge/Poison is keywords to pick against them). 

    It has a good shot against any aggro/tempo deck, and isn't hopeless against Big or Raza Priest. Big/Jade Druid are unfavored matches but I'm not seeing them as much as Control/Cube Lock.

    So, as long as you understand the basics of the archetype you can do pretty well with it. It may not be the strongest Hunter choice, but definitely isn't a meme deck. I'm currently 6-0 with it at 400ish legend rank, which is far from two digits ranks but isn't outright into dumpster too.


    Posted in: Hunter
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    posted a message on No minion hunter: Barnes or no Barnes?

    The potential turn 3~4 Barnes may steal way more games for you than To My Side!, Rhok'delar is fine with the Barnes package as you hardly ever want to play it on curve anyway.

    So basically drop 2x To My Side! and add 1x Barnes, 1x Y'Saaj. As long as it runs Rhok'delar its a spell hunter for me.

    Posted in: Hunter
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