Hearthpwn

I am old enough to remember Magic pre-release tournaments back in the days before spoilers. Not only was everyone reading the new cards for the first time together in a big hall, we then had to build decks and play a tournament with them.

Great days. The internet has brought a lot of good things but spoilers aren’t one of them.

Quote from LucasPassado >>

Really good. I mean, "8/3" for 4 mana and heal 8? That's really good. 

 Claims like this have been a bugbear of mine since the early days of Hearthpwn. This card in no way should be considered to have 8 attack. At no point in its lifecycle can it deal 8 damage in a turn.

This spell is the Hearthstone equivalent of bacon.

Tasty, particularly with eggs.

I am pretty high on this card. If it were a 1/1 Murloc which deals 2 damage to a minion as a battlecry we'd all be salivating at 2 mana.

Sure, it is a little less flexible than that but does benefit from some Beast synergies too.

I've crafted Golden Genn & Baku but am not dusting the regular copy because I have a feeling that it will be nerfed one day when it proves a problem in Wild.

I've been playing since Season Two so I can afford to take positions like these without compromising my ability to build other decks.

You hit the nail on the head.

War Axe did need a nerf, but adding the text "Cannot attack your opponent" would have been fine.

This card will be very influential as, assuming that it sees play somewhere, EVERY mage sectret which we see could potentially be Splitting Image.

This means that, unless your opponent offers you a weak minion as an alternative to test on, you'll be loathe to attack in to their more powerful minions.

In theory, Effigy would've had the same impact but that card :

• Only triggered on death, rather than just an attack.
• Summoned a random minion (same mana cost) rather than the same minion.

(Effigy had the one advantage that damage sources other than attacks could trigger it)

As is always the case, the presence of this secret in the card pool has the effect of improving EVERY secret as the opponent has to consider the possible effects of their attacks whenever a mage secret is in play.

I vote Very Good.

Underated, I'd say.

90% of the time, this will deal 5 damage to a minion, leaving a 5/x with taunt on the table where x is 7 minus the power of the minion which this killed.

That isn't so bad. It interracts at least twice with your opponent before your next turn and likely kills 2+ enemy minions, at least one of which you get to choose.

Of course, I'm not claiming that this will have a genuine impact on the meta, but it passes the test for expensive minions to impact the board from the moment that it is played.

So this costs 3 mana on turn 3, 3 mana on turn 4, another three on turn 5, three more on turns 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 followed by 2 mana on turn 11 and just 1 mana on turn 12.

25 mana, right?

I can handle the fact that Wild may become degenerate over time but I am flabergasted by Blizzard's decision to release Juicy Psychmelon and Star Aligner.

I wouldn't mind if these cards had become relevant in Standard first but these two cards seem wholly intended for Wild and yet have ruined the format.

What on earth were Blizzard thinking? Or did they just fail to beta test their latest set in the Wild environment?

Quote from Hooghout >>

Zepfrys the Great or shall I call this card Zepfrys the Rigged?

Because that's what it is. Blizzard is manipulating gameplay through AI by default favoritism as to deny skill and stategy to be decisive in outcome.

Over the years there has been steadily doubt if Blizzard through IA is rigging the game in favor of a marketing based target audience. Just search for 'rigged' or 'rigging' to find countless threads on the topic.

There has never been proof as Blizzard doesn't open up for an independent investigation on the matter.

But now undoubtly proven the possibility that it can be done. It should count as 'fun' the increasing influence of IA and increased randomness through cards like Tess Greymane, Dr. Boom. Mad Genius, Shudderwock, Tip the Scales, Puzzle Box of Yogg-Seron and the like, for which there can never skill or strategy based outcome influence. No fun here.

Skill or glorified mindlessness? Marketing says the latter. Ethics say former. Process of being regarded as dumb f*cks  through cards like Zepfrys. Way to go. In the end target audience can be regarded as such.

 

 

 

 

 

Always the same BS from this rig tard.

I agree that class identity SHOULD be one of the most important things preserved in Hearthstone.  Otherwise, why have 9 classes in the first place?  Why even print cards that give classes 2 or more ways to play that class?  Like Burn/Tempo Mage or Control Mage.

Zephrys does break this idea and I don't like the card for that purpose.  But like you, I love the overall design of the card, but it does present a few problems as players find ways to put this card in decks it was never meant to be played in.

The ability for Zoo to go and grab a Savage Roar is so potentially unbalancing, it might need to discussed and find out or if it's possible to balance Zephrys somehow.

Even Control Warrior can play Zephrys easily enough.  How?  Well, they play enough 'tutor' cards and card draw that it's not that hard to meet the conditions.  Do we really want Control Warrior having access to tools they shouldn't have in a non Highlander deck?

Much like many people are going back to Classic WOW and playing with vanilla stuff, maybe we need some sort of reset for Hearthstone.  Or a new design team.  Or something to change.

Lean into the class flaws and lean into the strengths.  If Warrior is about taunt and weapons.  Then lean into it.  Give them a minion that has Taunt AND equips a weapon.  But DON'T give them minions that can kill minions with simple battlecry effects.  Being able to do 10 damage to any minion is far too powerful.  Doing 5 damage on turn 5 can clear a board of non-mechs and win the game outright.  Then you add rush to these minions and it's no longer possible to keep a board against Warrior late game.

Druid is supposed to be bad at big minion removal with spells.  They can trade minions instead, but they no longer have the ability to remove a minion with a simple spell unless it has low health.  They were also supposed to be the Ramp class.  Lean into both of these flaws and strengths.  Create more cards that ramp, even if they are conditional.  Allow Druids to cheat the curve by giving up early tempo and card quality and deck flexibility.  Where are the Ramp cards?  Where are the 10 mana minion payoffs?  You know which class should have 'OMEGA' cards?  That's right Druid.  Druid because they were supposed to ramp to 10 and therefore abuse the 10 mana Omega effects.

Rogue is weak against wide boards and aggro decks in general.  They got rid of Vanish, but kept the effect.  Vanish should have been give ALL of your minions Stealth.  That feels more Rogue like.

How about removing the mech tag from Omega Devastator? No more generating it. No more magnetize synergy. No more rush from Dr. Boom.

Dust them and regret it later. 

Thats what happend to people who ask this question. 

You care about gold: -) 

Before I begin, allow me to introduce myself. I am an entitled, ungrateful little brat who believes that a multi-conglomerate company such as Blizzard exists solely to cater to my primitive needs. My hobbies include microwaving pocket-shaped food, collecting vintage Mountain Dew cans, and sh**posting on the internet to garner attention from strangers.

I have been playing since beta, and despite the fact that I have been playing for 5 years straight without taking more than a day off, this expansion, Saviors of Uldum, will be the reason I uninstall the game. The meta is stale already, and I know this because, after just 24 hours, all decks have been perfected and the subtle capabilities of all 148 new cards have been fully resolved. Please, pay no mind to the numerous threats I've posted on this website in the past regarding previous expansions. Those didn't mean anything. This time I'm for real.

It is very important to me that you acknowledge my fragile feelings. Seeing as I am the most important and essential piece of framework in this entire universe, I am sure that having all of you know that I am leaving will validate my utter inability to socialize on any level of coherency resembling that of an adult and fortify my unfounded sense of entitlement to things the earning of which I took no part.

I am also undeniably sure that by creating this post, Blizzard will completely revamp their business model and change Hearthstone and all of its mechanics to my liking, because the millions of other customers that play and enjoy their game don't matter; only I do.

Gotta go. My pizza rolls are almost done.

I am here for the growing list of people who don't get the purpose behind this perfect post. Please, continue on, clueless ones.

Quote from hali2130pl >>

Can u share a source code? I like to mess around in R. I like the graph as well ;)

Sure:

## plot ##
x=c()
for (n in seq(1:28)){
x=c(x,choose(27,n-1)/choose(30,n))
}

plot(seq(1:28),x,xlab='number of cards drawn',ylab='prob',main='Prob. of Reno drawn but effect not active')
lines(seq(1:28),x,col='red')
##########

## simulation ##
d=15 ### Number of cards drawn
y=c()
x=c()
for (n in seq(1:10000)){
x=sample(30,d,replace=FALSE)
if ((1 %in% x) == TRUE){
if ((29 %in% x) == FALSE){
if ((30 %in% x) == FALSE){
y=c(y,1)
} else{
y=c(y,0)
}
} else{
y=c(y,0)
}
} else{
y=c(y,0)
}
}

z=0
for (n in y){
if (n==1){
z=z+1
}
}

try=c(1-z/length(y),z/length(y)) ## prob of simulation
prob=c(1-choose(27,d-1)/choose(30,d),choose(27,d-1)/choose(30,d)) ## computed prob

try
prob

I always craft everything I want on the first day. There is no time for regret, experimental hearthstone is the best hearthstone anyway. 

This is great advice if you need to maximise your resources. 

The counter argument is that the expansion is the most fun in the first few weeks after release, when there is no real meta. I will be crafting stuff I like, playing for a few weeks, getting bored, and quitting until the next expansion. And repeat in 4 months. It’s the least efficient, most fun way to play Hearthstone, in my opinion. 

I've steadfastly avoided all theorycraft streams or decklists, so I'll be going in fresh, but I'll probably have to suffer for it, and get stomped by the early sheepdecks. It's unfortunate for me, but that's the culture of gaming, I guess :)