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I couldn't vote for "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!" So I didn't vote.

Quote from Primus7112765 >>

  I dont see how taunt druid, is a meme deck, since its one of the decks that counters the other meta decks well like cubelock and baku decks. Dont be so quick to dismiss it.

 Hadronox Druid is a one-trick pony. Other than overwhelming Cubelocks, it's a meme deck; it utterly fails to Equality or Vanish; Hex and Polymorph also kinda wreck it. If it ever became a real deck Cubelocks would just run Tinkmaster Overspark to counter it. It's low Tier 3 at best.

Kingsbane Rogue is basically Year of the Mammoth's Hadronox: not a real deck.

Control Lock is basically just Cubelock that is worse against combo to be better against aggro and the mirror. Data collectors like HSReplay and Vicious Syndicate can even have trouble differentiating between archetypes because so many cards are shared.

So you basically listed one actual archetype there: Quest Rogue. And yes, I am pleased that Quest Rogue is viable again. But I'm not blind to how Quest Rogue and Cubelock reinforce each other; Cubelock is one of the few control decks capable of pressuring Quest Rogue enough to have only a slightly unfavorable matchup, while Quest Rogue suppresses slower control decks and draws in aggro for Cubelock to prey upon.

Quote from Lyra_Silvertongue >>

I'm almost convinced that players have this gross misconception that if we nerf a few tier one decks that some weird deck is going to suddenly become playable (like Rush Hunter, Poison Hunter, Lady in White 'Big Priest', etc). That isn't going to happen no matter how many nerfs are implemented.

Quote from Lyra_Silvertongue >>

You're bored with the meta, not because 2-3 decks are dominating it (we actually have many when you consider 2 different spiteful decks, Quest Rogue, Cubelock, Haddronox Druid, 3 variations for aggro pallies, etc), but because you can't play a game with the same meta for more than a month. 

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a month. 

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I can't help, but feel people are begging for nerfs not because most of those decks are problems as much as it is they are bored and are impatient enough to wait for new cards to shake the meta up.

In another thread (https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-game-modes/standard-format/217154-i-have-modeled-58-archetypes-heres-the-future) I simulated the meta assuming pure survival-of-the-fittest behavior and the following were the only decks in the resulting meta (more than 0.1% of total population):

Cubelock, Odd Rogue, Quest Rogue, Spiteful Druid, non-Quest Odd Control Warrior, Control Priest, Evenadin, Murlocadin, non-Odd Quest Warrior, Oddadin, Keleseth Tempo Rogue.

Now, real metas don't quite operate like the simulation: people will play fun decks for fun, or blindly copypasta whatever dumb deck TempoStorm says is good. But if it's not on my list of eleven decks, then it's ALREADY possible for the meta to turn against an archetype so hard it becomes unplayable. There is zero reason to nerf any Tempo Rogue card, for example.

I recommend the following nerfs (and one nerf/buff):

This nerfs every non-Warrior non-Priest archetype on my list, making room for other decks to rise up... but without nerfing any of the nerfed archetypes into the ground (except maybe Even Paladin, but on the other hand screw CtA). Noteably Spiteful Priest isn't nerfed much through Fungalmancer/Snowfury changes while Spiteful Druid is much more effected.

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Quote from SMcB >>

If I was Blizzard the following would be the nerfs.

This lowers the power levels of Even/Odd/Murloc Paladin, Cube/Control Warlock, Odd/Quest Rogue, and Spiteful Druid - hopefully without outright killing any of those decks.

No, Preparation don't need to be nerfed, need to be banished for Wild in HoF, because of this $&%! card all f....... rogue spell card release are overcosted, it is a curse for the class, remain this abomination in Standard and nerf will keep the curse and reduces the (insuficient) pay-off.

Quote from AMJii >>

I don't want The Caverns Below get balanced. I want it hacked to pieces and fed to the wolves.

Quote from DoubleSummon >>

why nerf prep and fungalmencer? those cards are fine..

Quote from DoubleSummon >>

dark pact should stay at 1 so it can be countered by geist.

Quote from DoubleSummon >>

And CTA will just be used by odd paladin.

If I was Blizzard the following would be the nerfs.

This lowers the power levels of Even/Odd/Murloc Paladin, Cube/Control Warlock, Odd/Quest Rogue, and Spiteful Druid - hopefully without outright killing any of those decks.

Dark Pact should cost 2 mana but otherwise be unchanged.

I think the winrate differential between near-zero skill and near-perfect skill should be abkut 50% - that is, about 25% winrate for the near-zero skill player under those conditions. So I voted 50/50.

Quote from Nanaki404 >>

there is also the "budget factor". F2P players will tend to stick to their deck even if the winrate decreases (unless it goes REALLY low), and also tend to prefer crafting "cheaper" decks when crafting a new one (or a deck for which they have most cards, but this is much harder to model). The first part could be modeled by having an "inertia" factor that diminishes each generation loss/gain population by some factor. The second part would be harder but possible, but adding data about "dust cost" for each archetype, and having a growth factor for winning decks that is slower if decks cost more dust.