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In this thread you can see how hs fanboys justify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.

 You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:

• Curse of Naxxramas
• Blackrock Mountain
• League of Explorers
• One Night in Karazhan

In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."

If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol. 

 And the following content-only, cardless adventures were never paid for:

• Frozen Throne
• Dungeon Run
• Monster Hunt
• Boom Labs
• Rumble Run

All four examples of yours actually have an expansion tied to them. People would buy them for their cards and keep up with the meta. I doubt you will find a single soul who decided to buy this just so they could play Zayle in constructed. In this case, you are paying for content alone (and 12 outdated packs).

I'll say it again: the content is good, but overpriced. I don't really care if you buy overpriced stuff yourself or anyone else for that matter, but to just call people entitled or poor for shattering your delusions is where I draw the line.

If Blizzard wanted to net in some profits for solo content they could have gone for a price lower than a full adventure, because this is less than a full adventure. They could even drop the packs along with the price for all I care. All they are is a crutch to justify the full price of a solo adventure.

The key difference is you aren't at a disadvantage for not purchasing Dalaran Heist, which makes the choice even more subjective. I'm not going to argue about "value". Dinner and a movie (a one time experience) easily exceeds $20, so if you feel that the solo adventure isn't fun and doesn't offer $20 worth of entertainment then don't buy it. There's nothing delusional about what I said, Blizzard went back to their previous business model and without the cards included, so what. Just imagine if there were exclusive cards obtained only from purchasing Dalaran Heist, the same crybabies would be pissing and moaning about cards being locked behind a paywall. And that's just the gist of things, there will always be people who bitch and moan about everything, hence the entitlement.

 You are the one who compared the Heist to additions that gave you an advantage, not me. You put it on the same level as the Naxx, BRM, LoE and Karazhan to justify the price, and I pointed out the differences between them, which you just agreed to. If the content is not the same, why should the price be?

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 And the following content-only, cardless adventures were never paid for:

• Frozen Throne
• Dungeon Run
• Monster Hunt
• Boom Labs
• Rumble Run

All four examples of yours actually have an expansion tied to them. People would buy them for their cards and keep up with the meta. I doubt you will find a single soul who decided to buy this just so they could play Zayle in constructed. In this case, you are paying for content alone (and 12 outdated packs).

 

 

This product certainly wasn't free for Blizzard to produce. If you think it was, or that the cost at their end was negligible, you are ignorant beyond measure. If you do understand what it costs them to make these adventures, I have to wonder how you expect them to stay in business if they give it all away.

Do you suppose free adventures drive more card sales? I'm sure that was the hope when they first offered free adventures. I'm also sure they have more data than you on whether or not that turned out to be true. My guess is that there was almost NO uptick in card sales due to the free adventures. In other words, Blizzard wasn't getting enough in return to justify the production costs. So it's not greedy of them to start charging; it would be stupid to keep giving away adventures for free. The only other sensible option is to stop making them.

Given the choice between paid adventures and no adventures at all, I'll take the paid ones, thanks.

Why do people just assume it should be free if it doesn't have this price? Does Blizzard have an on/off switch that changes between Free/2800g without anything in the middle?

My previous post you quoted legitimately states that I could get down with a price that wasn't the same as a full adventure's, because it isn't a full adventure, even if they dropped the packs. Make the price for content only and subtract the price from new cards.

You can't have it for free. Okay, I get that, everyone can stop repeating this point. Can we have it for a price that isn't the same as more valuable content from the past? Or is having a memory entitlement?

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In this thread you can see how hs fanboys justify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.

 You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:

• Curse of Naxxramas
• Blackrock Mountain
• League of Explorers
• One Night in Karazhan

In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."

If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol. 

 And the following content-only, cardless adventures were never paid for:

• Frozen Throne
• Dungeon Run
• Monster Hunt
• Boom Labs
• Rumble Run

All four examples of yours actually have an expansion tied to them. People would buy them for their cards and keep up with the meta. I doubt you will find a single soul who decided to buy this just so they could play Zayle in constructed. In this case, you are paying for content alone (and 12 outdated packs).

I'll say it again: the content is good, but overpriced. I don't really care if you buy overpriced stuff yourself or anyone else for that matter, but to just call people entitled or poor for shattering your delusions is where I draw the line.

If Blizzard wanted to net in some profits for solo content they could have gone for a price lower than a full adventure, because this is less than a full adventure. They could even drop the packs along with the price for all I care. All they are is a crutch to justify the full price of a solo adventure.

I already created an account there. I am just holding back until the ship actually sinks. Even if I am not posting or lurking, I prefer to keep Hearthpwn open all day long than Out of Cards. Don't know why, really.

Hello everyone. As you probably know already, the world is ending, Hearthpwn is closing down. It has been a wild ride. Much laughter was had. Many tears too, even if 95% of them were shed this week, but regardless... the time has come to say goodbye. I've looked at several of the largest threads on this website (General Discussion only), many of them from before I was here. Behold, the winners of my contest!

9) Its about time Blizzard! [Undertaker Nerf Discussion]

A blast from the past, a relic of an ancient era when Blizzard still dragged their boots to nerf cards. We can shed a tear for how long a way we've come (and laugh at the 26% of voters that somehow thought it was a bad idea). Indeed, if my research did not fail me, this was the most popular Nerf Discussion on this website. Let's give it a hand, shall we?

8) Gender Representation in Hearthstone.

Perhaps not the most pertinent of threads, it's true, but this cesspit of Social Justice attracted a whopping 17 pages of replies from our lovely community, some less civil than others. Alas, the thread ended up locked after only 4 days, and devolved into a flame war for gender rights in general, but by God did it net those views and replies. Maybe don't give this one a hand, but remark its existence and be done with it.

7) This is why Competitive Hearthstone is a Joke

A textbook display, here, folks, about the argumentative flexibility of our own community. This legendary thread started as a complaint about Yogg (damn you, DiViNE_Priest) affecting the seriousness of the pro scene, but a quick trip to its 12th page will bring you to the end of a debate about Barnes and Fandral. Truly, we have masterful rhetoricians among us.

6) Why do people think aggro is easy or scummy?

Now, this particular thread, while earning itself its share of views, is not impressive by itself. There is a mild flame war in the middle, several lengthy replies, the whole package associated with the topic. It is, however, one of the most reincarnated discussions on Hearthpwn, and perhaps the less shitstormy one I've found. With popularity to spare, this thread can fairly be interpreted as a good representative of every time this topic was summoned back to life.

5) Most annoying class to play AGAINST/Which deck require the least skills to play?

This one is a tie between two similarly sized threads, about a similar topic. Many of these have we seen during our days here, and usually, unsurprisingly, people associate the decks they dislike the most with low skill floors🤔. Regardless, the threads have sparked many echoing discussions, such as the quest for the game's hardest decks to pilot. Maybe they won't win any originality awards, but they certainly had their influence on the forums.

4) How much money have you spent on HS?

Ah, this thread, this topic... What a rollercoaster of emotions that one can feel while he reads the 8 pages of replies to this thread! From overzealous F2Pers who want to declare their money-spending celibacy too eagerly to reckless individuals who probably should not be entrusted with credit cards, these sort of threads always sparked discussion in our GD, and brought fourth all sorts of colorful characters.

3) How will Blizzard inevitably nerf rogue?

I could not hope to finish this countdown without any recent thread to reference. nichocolates earned himself not only 21 pages of replies, but he also arranged a thread that aged as finely as wine, along with a string of replies that, inversely, aged as finely as milk. This here captures one of the main struggles of Hearthpwn: the quest for balance, the difficulty of distinguishing salt from real discussions, and the paradoxical attraction of the community to the threads they complain about. nicho, you might still be active here, so come on stage and collect your award.

2) All those players that rage-friend just to complain (BM)

• kla_guy's thread about collection completion percentage
• Eternal_HS's guide to Wild Mode
• Eternal_HS's sarcastic Dead Game thread that ended up backfiring horribly thanks to rabid fanboys not getting it
• Every Wild/Standard thread that, surprising no one, turned into a shitstorm
• Every Sherman thread so far
• The Pepper Thread, widely popular, just not my cup of tea
• The many aggro skill revisionist threads that hilariously called Zoolock a control deck
• Every Purify rage thread during the days preceding Karazhan
• That thread with only "MY JAWS THAT BITE, MY CLAWS THAT CATCH!" copy pasted all over
• Every thread complaining about netdecking/Big Priest/Casual
• Those incredibly disturbing threads by that guy with the muppet profile picture. To this day I still don't know what they were about
• That one thread that complained about Priest players being discriminated against
• That thread that calls Witchwood trash, gets bashed, and later became accepted as the truth once the Year of the Raven was done
• 1xbenx1's card viability predictions (at least I think those were in GD, but maybe not)
• The threads rightly praising the meta in Un'Goro
• The threads rightly trashing the meta in MSoG
• The price discussion about the Dalaran Heist
• ConCuThanKy1292's thread about chilling, that sadly got no attention from the community :C

And finally, the big winner

1) THE SALT THREAD

Honestly, who is surprised? The Salt Thread has been a godsend all these years, and we've taken it for granted. It has birthed legends, quelled flames and accompanied us through thick and thin. Pasting its link has become an overused joke, but it is a small price to pay for the boon that the Salt Thread is. There isn't much to add to it that hasn't been said already. I'd put the link on the title, but we all probably know it back and forth by now.

Did I miss anything?

Good Lord, you people just went and gave a thread you find abhorrent 4k views and 4 pages of replies. Why do you keep these threads alive if you hate them so much, Hearthpwn, why?

I'm still skeptical about the efficiency of blind buffs. There are a lot of useless cards in the game, and you just have to blindly grope through the collection to find suitable buff candidates. OP cards are a lot fewer, and easier to target. Bringing one down usually shakes up the meta one way or another. In other games, buffs usually only manage to make filler cards less awful, but they sometimes pull off decent surprises.

Still, while we're getting both of them, who's complaining? It could be that I am wrong and that buffs end up shaking the meta a lot more than I am giving them credit for. 

So... last episode. The end of a cultural phenomenon. I felt... hollow. But I liked a few things, I guess:

 And there's a lot that makes no sense whatsoever:

Okay, first things first. That jab at democracy where everyone laughs at Sam's suggestion was pretty funny.

Are you sure they don't stack? In my case, I got the -2 popping up at the start of their turns, but they still lost 4 health.

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Had they tied up more exclusive cards into the game (like the old adventure mode), people would complain that they were forcing users to spend more money and it's not fair on F2P, etc, etc. 

 Well, you have to understand none of this is exactly new. We have had these rewards and this (admittedly less polished) game mode for free in the past. More importantly: we've had this price in the past, and it yielded better stuff for the consumer. So if we are paying the same for less valuable stuff that used to be free, instead of the more valuable stuff that we used to pay for... well, what exactly is wrong about being displeased with it?

If Blizzard suddenly charged 200-300g to play Tavern Brawl every week, would people call all these other free brawls demos and call complainers entitled too? My guess, sadly, is that yes, many would.

But the saddest part for me is that the content is really good. It just happens to be promoted by a pile of obsolete packs, a meh legendary and at the cost of my ability to keep up when the next expansion hits.

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To be honest, I thought my avatar was a boy..

 WTF why would anyone put a character that they don't know anything about as their avatar???

Considering Matthi1's reply to jainaishot, the facial expression of his avatar and his signature, I wouldn't waste my time on him. ;)

It turns the game into a cow clicker, a non-game. Either the big Priest mullis/draws well and hammers you by cheating out massive minions from turn 4 onwards, or does not and sits there and essentially does nothing while you beat on them, then they lose. Neither is fun, at all, for either player ...so god knows why people play this deck?

I'll take a match against the worst sort of paladin or mage decks you mention any day over a Big priest, even if I'm less likely to win.

I play since Beta and after all this time Big Priest is STILL the worst designed deck in the game - followed somewhat closely by Jade Druid. Its not about winrates. The moaning about it won't ever stop because the the deck is a critical mass of design failure.

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people don't care about fun these days i assume. 

 This logic always triggers me so much.  "Why don't you buy fun game modes? Why don't you play fun decks?"

Having fun is exactly what I'm doing; I just don't find the things you mention fun personally.  Is it really so wrong to save the money for future packs so I can have my fun in constructed?

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its the bottom of tier 2 a lot of the hatred is unjustified

The hatred is not about the win rate, it's about how dumb the deck is and how annoying it is to play against.  70% of the matchup is determined before turn 1, with what deck you are playing.  The other 30% is 1. whether they have Barnes turn four and 2.  what minion is pulled from Barnes/Shadow Essence.  There is no skill, variation or anything else about the deck.

Shudderwalk shaman had a terrible win rate and Blizzard still took steps to nerf the deck because people despised playing against the deck.  This is pretty much the similar situation.

I have, but we could continue to use more of you guys :D

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You can't have it for free. Okay, I get that, everyone can stop repeating this point. Can we have it for a price that isn't the same as more valuable content from the past? Or is having a memory entitlement?

Yes, it's fine to wish it were cheaper. But you are just about the only one here advocating a middle ground. Most of my annoyance is with those who keep saying "free once = free forever." You sort of got caught in the crossfire.

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 You're so salty and bitter to the point that you can't even acknowledge the following solo adventures were never free:

• Curse of Naxxramas
• Blackrock Mountain
• League of Explorers
• One Night in Karazhan

In this thread you can see how low income crybabies whine about how they aren't entitled to "free content."

If you played the first chapter for free and came to the conclusion it was "garbage" then why would you care about the rest of the chapters not being free? Now answer that question without crying, lol. 

Who the fuck bought Karazhan for "solo content"??  Karazhan was a one-and-done, complete dumpster fire of an adventure but we all still bought it because it gives you 100% of the cards for an entire expansion.  You can't even craft those cards without buying the adventure.  We're not buying solo content, we're buying the ability to play proper constructed decks

Also what is wrong with having "low income"?  Are they inferior to you because they have the ability to budget their money wisely?

In this thread you can see how hs fanboys justify the price of this garbage. Pathetic. You pay for a thing that was free before.

Wait wait, hearthpwn is shutting down, blizzards BUFFS cards and gives a golden legendary for free?

Ok, who f*cked the timeline?

A site with my favourite community members and the same staff  of hearthpwn? Fuck yeah,  i will create an account once i find the time.

After all, you guys can no longer live without my sass. :P