Control Warrior feels OP because its effective to very effective against Tempo Rogue, Zoo Warlock, and Bomb Warrior. It'd be like saying Mill Rogue is OP when you play Control Priest a lot.
They typically nerf things when they are actually broken. Nothing in this expansion is destroying the meta like many other Nerf worthy decks. Bomb warrior is good, lackey rogue is good, neither are ruining the game. The best way to gauge that in my opinion is to check wild. Consistently the broken decks in standard will have a similar deck seeing play in wild, like odd pally, even shaman, odd rogue, quest rogue, mid-range shaman, big priest, and so on. Neither lackey or bomb warrior are viable in wild to they capacity of any of the aforementioned decks. With that in mind I don't see any of these cards getting a Nerf. The strongest by far is dynomatic, but it still isn't broken.
Seeing newer players asking for nerfs for an extremely mediocre and honest deck like CW in this meta is absolutely hilarious. You people don't know what a broken deck looks like.
Probably Elyssiana to 9 mana. At 8 it allowes games that can reach the turn limit (combined with banker/brewmaster), and that would definetly hurt competitive.
Honestly if rather like them to leave bomb warrior alone. It's a good counter to those decks that aim to draw their whole deck quickly like Nomi priest, and at the same time there are decks that beat bomb warrior. Seems balanced to me.
control warrior is one of the strongest decks in high level play right now. and dr boom is an absolute game changer when it gets played. the rush part has to go asap.
not wanting nerfs but how can people say warrior is not berf worthy but rogue is? a pick that makes 3/3 minions zero mana which doesnt happen always isnt OP.
nothing seems nerf worthy right now. though if they gonna nerf anything from warrior, it would be shield slam or brawl , considering past nerfs.
Seeing newer players asking for nerfs for an extremely mediocre and honest deck like CW in this meta is absolutely hilarious. You people don't know what a broken deck looks like.
Scrubs crying. Nothing new here.
Know nothing about the game, know nothing about particular decks, but their tongue is the longest. The funniest thing, most of the anti-Warrior complainers are Rouge (a good deck) players who can't stand that there is one slightly unfavorable deck against them in the meta. No free win: what a tragedy - what an injustice - I require compassion - play shit decks against me in order for justice to prevail - otherwise I will cry for nerfs just for Blizzard to nerf Angry Chicken or some other basic!
Note here: I'm not complaining about Rouge. Playing it myself, and love it. Just wanted to give an example of hypocrisy.
"I hate Warriors, they win over me by having more cards in the hand :cry:." Yes, they win that way, that's their win condition, you stupid. Because you experience that kind of defeat differently from hitting in the head, that's YOUR problem, your personal experience, opinion. You can't accept losing a game, the same way you don't want to realize Warrior is losing 50% of times, as well (even more then some others, and even if they run Dr. Boom, discover Omegas...) !
If all those crybabies are honest even a bit, they would ask to buff Warriors, for example, Control variant. This deck is barely alive, and lives only because of Rouge (against which they barely win). It's not that they have too much removals, but too little! We need more tools for Control Warrior to survive onslaughts from Paladins, Hunters and Mages!!! Listen, here and now, I propose to buff Omega Devastator to give 12 dmg instead of 10. :)
On a serious note: The only problem is double Elysiana. A beautiful card, but one would be enough. Currently I don't see how they can solve the problem (Shudderwock). On the other hand, why so much cry against the card. It's a punishment only for Control Warrior players. One plays Control Warrior mirrors, one plays it 30+ minutes. That's it. Others don't have any business here.
The most obvious choice would be to remove the rush effect on Mad Genius. All other heroes except Frost Lich Jaina had a one-off effect. Getting a permanent effect other than the new hero power is way to strong. Especially with the access to both good mechs that work with the deck to begin with but also the easy access to more mechs through the hero power and omega assembly.
Removing the rush wouldn't ruin any of the warrior decks. It would simply serve as a good balance option.
Honestly warrior doesn't really have one or two cards that stand out as broken and nerf worthy, the class as a whole is just overtuned so you just have to hit some cards that maybe on their own don't totally deserve it.
It's mainly their hero card. It's not even that the hero card itself is broken but the hero card a meta where 6 other classes don't have hero cards then it's pretty unbalanced.
Maybe the discover a mech hero power should be a random mech in dr boom. It's not that any one mech is broken but the amount of minions they can generate that aren't even in their deck is just too much value for other decks to compete with on top of Rush giving them insane late game tempo. Warrior being the best late game value thing is fine but it's a bit absurd. This is partly because most other cards don't have hero cards, though.
I think Omega Assembly is kind of busted but Blizzard only does mana nerfs and it's been that way for a while. I don't think a simple bump in mana does anything to that card.
I would like to see Archivist nerfed to 9 to prevent bouncing nonsense. Not just because of warriors but I just think that is fucking boring gameplay and should be avoided.
Seeing newer players asking for nerfs for an extremely mediocre and honest deck like CW in this meta is absolutely hilarious. You people don't know what a broken deck looks like.
Scrubs crying. Nothing new here.
Know nothing about the game, know nothing about particular decks, but their tongue is the longest. The funniest thing, most of the anti-Warrior complainers are Rouge (a good deck) players who can't stand that there is one slightly unfavorable deck against them in the meta. No free win: what a tragedy - what an injustice - I require compassion - play shit decks against me in order for justice to prevail - otherwise I will cry for nerfs just for Blizzard to nerf Angry Chicken or some other basic!
Note here: I'm not complaining about Rouge. Playing it myself, and love it. Just wanted to make an example of hypocrisy.
"I hate Warriors, they win over me by having more cards in the hand :cry:." Yes, they win that way, that's their win condition, you stupid. Because you experience that kind of defeat differently from hitting in the head, that's YOUR problem, your personal experience, opinion. You can't accept losing a game, the same way you don't want to realize Warrior is losing 50% of times, as well (even more then some others, and even if they run Dr. Boom, discover Omegas...) !
If all those crybabies are honest even a bit, they would ask to buff Warriors, for example, Control variant. This deck is barely alive, and lives only because of Rouge (against which they barely win). It's not that they have too much removals, but too little! We need more tools for Control Warrior to survive onslaughts from Paladins, Hunters and Mages!!! Listen, here and now, I propose to buff Omega Devastator to give 12 dmg instead of 10. :)
On a serious note: The only problem is double Elysiana. A beautiful card, but one would be enough. Currently I don't see how they can solve the problem (Shudderwock). On the other hand, why so much cry against the card. It's a punishment only for Control Warrior players. One plays Control Warrior mirrors, one plays it 30+ minutes. That's it. Others don't have any business here.
The strawman is strong with this post. Rogue is more broken than warrior, but warrior is still unbalanced. Rogue needs either the pick or raiding party nerfed. It's a lot easier to nerf Rogue too. Rogue is a tempo class so you just lower the tempo a notch and get results.
Warrior's winrate is much higher than 50%, and this is after it helped shape the entire meta. Most classes can only play one deck because it's their one deck that beats warrior.
No idea where this assumption that warrior is going to definitely be nerfed is coming from. A class being popular and on top doesn't mean it will be nerfed. We've had classes and decks be on top in other metas without being nerfed before. Something needs to be on top.
As for the cards you mentioned;
Elysiana is not just a warrior card. It isn't going to be nerfed simply because players like control games, but don't like long games (lul). Jade Idol was much more powerful than this card and it was never directly nerfed.
Boom. Very rng hero power (some of which are useless, such as the deal one damage to everything. Plus, when first playing it it is almost a 7 mana do nothing card. Now look at the immediate swing of Gul'Dan & the consistent dependable free removal hero power it gave. Gul'Dan was never touched at all and you think Boom will?
Other midrangey 5 drops like Blackwing Corruptor and Drakonoid Operative had superior stats and either did something similar (with less rng) or had superior effects & were never nerfed. Why would Dyn-o-Matic be nerfed?
Control Warrior feels OP because its effective to very effective against Tempo Rogue, Zoo Warlock, and Bomb Warrior. It'd be like saying Mill Rogue is OP when you play Control Priest a lot.
This is probably Beans again
Why are you begging for a nerf this early? It isnt even sure if warrior remains that strong after people figure out new decks.
Always expect the unexpectable!
Dr boom won't get nerfed I think. Maybe HoF like Baku and Genn next year.
They typically nerf things when they are actually broken. Nothing in this expansion is destroying the meta like many other Nerf worthy decks. Bomb warrior is good, lackey rogue is good, neither are ruining the game. The best way to gauge that in my opinion is to check wild. Consistently the broken decks in standard will have a similar deck seeing play in wild, like odd pally, even shaman, odd rogue, quest rogue, mid-range shaman, big priest, and so on. Neither lackey or bomb warrior are viable in wild to they capacity of any of the aforementioned decks. With that in mind I don't see any of these cards getting a Nerf. The strongest by far is dynomatic, but it still isn't broken.
Candy asses and paper skin.
If you mean the hero card, it'll rotate next year anyway.
He will rotate next year...
Always expect the unexpectable!
Seeing newer players asking for nerfs for an extremely mediocre and honest deck like CW in this meta is absolutely hilarious. You people don't know what a broken deck looks like.
Probably Elyssiana to 9 mana. At 8 it allowes games that can reach the turn limit (combined with banker/brewmaster), and that would definetly hurt competitive.
Dr.Boom is too randon so no nerf, but i think elysiana need to cost 10 mana that ends the combo with the banker.
Honestly if rather like them to leave bomb warrior alone. It's a good counter to those decks that aim to draw their whole deck quickly like Nomi priest, and at the same time there are decks that beat bomb warrior. Seems balanced to me.
Omega Devastator is probably going to be nerfed. Just does way too much with Dr. Boom.
Unpopular opinion: Rogue is OP
control warrior is one of the strongest decks in high level play right now. and dr boom is an absolute game changer when it gets played. the rush part has to go asap.
not wanting nerfs but how can people say warrior is not berf worthy but rogue is? a pick that makes 3/3 minions zero mana which doesnt happen always isnt OP.
nothing seems nerf worthy right now. though if they gonna nerf anything from warrior, it would be shield slam or brawl , considering past nerfs.
Scrubs crying. Nothing new here.
Know nothing about the game, know nothing about particular decks, but their tongue is the longest. The funniest thing, most of the anti-Warrior complainers are Rouge (a good deck) players who can't stand that there is one slightly unfavorable deck against them in the meta. No free win: what a tragedy - what an injustice - I require compassion - play shit decks against me in order for justice to prevail - otherwise I will cry for nerfs just for Blizzard to nerf Angry Chicken or some other basic!
Note here: I'm not complaining about Rouge. Playing it myself, and love it. Just wanted to give an example of hypocrisy.
"I hate Warriors, they win over me by having more cards in the hand :cry:." Yes, they win that way, that's their win condition, you stupid. Because you experience that kind of defeat differently from hitting in the head, that's YOUR problem, your personal experience, opinion. You can't accept losing a game, the same way you don't want to realize Warrior is losing 50% of times, as well (even more then some others, and even if they run Dr. Boom, discover Omegas...) !
If all those crybabies are honest even a bit, they would ask to buff Warriors, for example, Control variant. This deck is barely alive, and lives only because of Rouge (against which they barely win). It's not that they have too much removals, but too little! We need more tools for Control Warrior to survive onslaughts from Paladins, Hunters and Mages!!! Listen, here and now, I propose to buff Omega Devastator to give 12 dmg instead of 10. :)
On a serious note: The only problem is double Elysiana. A beautiful card, but one would be enough. Currently I don't see how they can solve the problem (Shudderwock). On the other hand, why so much cry against the card. It's a punishment only for Control Warrior players. One plays Control Warrior mirrors, one plays it 30+ minutes. That's it. Others don't have any business here.
“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
The most obvious choice would be to remove the rush effect on Mad Genius. All other heroes except Frost Lich Jaina had a one-off effect. Getting a permanent effect other than the new hero power is way to strong. Especially with the access to both good mechs that work with the deck to begin with but also the easy access to more mechs through the hero power and omega assembly.
Removing the rush wouldn't ruin any of the warrior decks. It would simply serve as a good balance option.
Honestly warrior doesn't really have one or two cards that stand out as broken and nerf worthy, the class as a whole is just overtuned so you just have to hit some cards that maybe on their own don't totally deserve it.
It's mainly their hero card. It's not even that the hero card itself is broken but the hero card a meta where 6 other classes don't have hero cards then it's pretty unbalanced.
Maybe the discover a mech hero power should be a random mech in dr boom. It's not that any one mech is broken but the amount of minions they can generate that aren't even in their deck is just too much value for other decks to compete with on top of Rush giving them insane late game tempo. Warrior being the best late game value thing is fine but it's a bit absurd. This is partly because most other cards don't have hero cards, though.
I think Omega Assembly is kind of busted but Blizzard only does mana nerfs and it's been that way for a while. I don't think a simple bump in mana does anything to that card.
I would like to see Archivist nerfed to 9 to prevent bouncing nonsense. Not just because of warriors but I just think that is fucking boring gameplay and should be avoided.
The strawman is strong with this post. Rogue is more broken than warrior, but warrior is still unbalanced. Rogue needs either the pick or raiding party nerfed. It's a lot easier to nerf Rogue too. Rogue is a tempo class so you just lower the tempo a notch and get results.
Warrior's winrate is much higher than 50%, and this is after it helped shape the entire meta. Most classes can only play one deck because it's their one deck that beats warrior.
No idea where this assumption that warrior is going to definitely be nerfed is coming from. A class being popular and on top doesn't mean it will be nerfed. We've had classes and decks be on top in other metas without being nerfed before. Something needs to be on top.
As for the cards you mentioned;