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Quote from Gooaa >>

I dont see any problem here. Even more, it is a must for a game to have these kind of cards/decks.

The parent of HS - paper MtG has it, and it is very good that we have to not only go face on curve.

Rich diversity is exellent.

 

 

 I don't think that MTG has cards making cards (I played that last time around 5 years ago). I agree with the OP cards making extra cards are cancer of this game. Omega Assembly / dr. Boom / Mana Cyclone / Elysiana and much more shouln't exists. You  should have 30 cards in deck and thats it. There can be RNG in the game (drawing will be random always), also random rolls on Knife Juggler and such things are OK. Discovering next removal when you need it is not fun.

HS has developed many of these types of cards at this stage of the game, to the point that you'd have to essentially overhaul/delete a dozen, or more, cards. That isn't going to happen. If the complaint is that these kinds of cards shouldn't exist then I think for these types of players they should move on to a game that they prefer more. The mechanic may dip or rise in design popularity, and receive nerfs from time to time, but it has been introduced to the game and isn't going anywhere. You'd have to feel quite optimistic to hope to craft any realistic argument debating otherwise.

Quote from Muchyc >>

Best hearthstone for me is just 30 cards game, you used it all, you lost

Not everyone is a standard control main. Believe it or not some people simply like different things.

Plus, not every class is designed to be able to be a 30 card control deck (ie paladin, rogue, druid).

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Quote from Lyra_Silvertongue >>

T5 will probably just keep nerfing other cards to accommodate this one legendary, instead of nerfing the free card that nobody paid dust or gold for.

That's sound logic for you.

 That's very omniscient of you to know the fate of every single card and this free legendary. Why are you spending your time on a game when you can be investing in the stock market... lol?

I'll save you the time... Hey I'm Lyra, I used the word "probably" and "logic" in the same post while assuming a particular outcome. But if that isn't true you can redact what I said.

Aw, you're so cute. It's not like a certain reddit post or something mentioned potentially nerfing Mechwarper as well, just to accommodate SN1P SN4P. I guess reddit posts from the big boys upstairs suggesting more nerfs could potentially come must be me just assuming and pulling straws out of thin air.

Dont' try and troll if you can't handle it and don't really know what it is you're getting into. :)

T5 will probably just keep nerfing other cards to accommodate this one legendary, instead of nerfing the free card that nobody paid dust or gold for.

That's sound logic for you.

Quote from Knotalmbout >>

I assume everybody defending Token Druid is currently climbing the ladder with it.

Just a lame concept and basically Odd Paladin 2.0

We don’t need these type of decks, they literally do nothing for the game except help players with limited skill rank up. It’s boring and you pretty much win under the same condition.

Flood, pray for no counters, buff, face, game

I have to facepalm at these types of posts. Every playstyle is needed if you don't want one of the playstyles from getting too out of control.

I'm curious though, tell me how most control decks out there do not also more or less win under the same win condition.

I have, but we could continue to use more of you guys :D

The reality?

Somebody creates the best optimized version of a deck and, in the hands of a skilled players, thrashes everyone on ladder, while most players are unable to compete with them because they are not allowed to net deck and must use very unoptimized lists to compete against that first guy who min/maxxed a certain deck.

No idea why people go on this witch hunt against netdecking when you know that it is a natural part of any card game if you've actually been invested in any other game prior to HS.

Quote from Klapka_Junior >>

You shouldn't complain too much. We will get busted legendary FOR FREE and full disenchant value for barely used epic. 

Really that's not the point. Reckless Experimenter was never a problematic card. Why should a card that has never caused problems be nerfed so that another flashy new card with a bunch of keywords vomitted on it can be released? It would've been easier to 'nerf' a card that hadn't even been released or given to a single player yet.

They even talked about nerfing another card (Mechwarper) if it turns out that people can consistently abuse SN1P SN4P. That would be a second nerfed card just to release a mech legendary that will probably cause balance problems down the road anyway (and would cause a nerf that would kill my favorite deck in HS Spectral Pillager Rogue). I could care less about getting a pittance of 'free' dust. Decks that other players enjoy, and that are not even tier decks I might add, shouldn't have to be sacrificed so that we can get another card with too many keywords on it (Remember UI anyone?)

It's the same combo with one new piece to it. I'm sure people have thought of it before.

Yep, but due to knowing that the majority are rage requests I always pull up the word doc with my "All The Salty Players" Single Ladies HS parody to get ready feast on their tears and begin spamming the lyrics to them if they start sending me anything other than normal conversations my way.

No time for your complex here Mr. Magma Rager.

Unfortunately you usually have to weather out the roller coaster of the 3-1 or 1-legend for a bit before hitting legend. That was what happened with me during my legend climb. Even had to take down an Odd Pally as my final boss (pre Even Shaman nerf) with my Reno Dragon Priest, who was able to sustain pressure the entire game long (dealing over 60 damage to my face and requiring me to make risky plays to barely survive before pulling off my win, such as Alexing my face when they had over 10 damage on board with multiple cards in hand). You just have to stick it out for awhile. Once you do that you'll know you deserve it after the persistent time and effort is kept consistent during your grind.

The problem is most people don't want a back and forth logical discussion about 90% of the things they talk about. They want a sounding board where they can insist that their feelings and opinions are objective and close down logical points that defeat their argument in many cases.

It gets pretty predictable not only which topics or threads will result in this, but even some occasional posters on the forums as well. I don't usually blame people for responding in a toxic manner, even if their toxicity is for different reasons.

A card should never be nerfed for arena balance. The format itself is not indicative of how most of the rest of the game's balance irons out.

Adjust the card in arena's bucket system and let's have an end to it.

Quote from DiamondDM13 >>

A deck having a repetitive game pattern is not a reason to change it. That is how almost every Combo deck operates.

A reason to change it is if it's combos can be played so early in the game that the opponent cannot attempt to handle it.

And by the opponent I don't mean you and your specific deck you want to play, I mean any general opponent that would decide to play a class they wanted, and would realistically never be able to handle the situation due to lack of class and neutral options for it.

In other words, how early and regularly are you facing two Mountain Giants at once?

People don't seem to understand this. They see a new top consistent deck and since it gets netdecked it must be nerfed. You're also spot on about people thinking it must be nerfed if all 9 classes don't have an answer to every single deck at every single stage of the game.

The combo didn't take off with Ziliax, it won't take off with SN1P SN4P.