I'll be honest, I don't think Zul'jin is really all that bad. I'm not usually losing games that I otherwise would have won to Zul'jin. I do, however, lose games that I otherwise would have won to Rexxar.
It’s more of a Hail Mary card. A full board of 3/3s and beasts with traps isn’t unbeatable if your opponent has a decent board or hand to work with, and if they don’t have a decent board and hand, you’d probably win anyway. So again, the card is usually pulled when the hunter is under 10-15 health, and threatened with checkmate. It’s just an “Oh $#!t” card, albeit a very good one.
After at least 3 new threads about hunter every single day there are no more informative and useful opinions. Class is strong, we get it, people should stop spamming the forum with hunter threads
Why? I'm on 40 Games straight with aggressive strategies. 40 isn't exaggerating. It's just a fact. This game caters toward people with aggressive behaviors/practices within the game. Hunter is the highlight of this behavior. The idea that "there are no wrong questions, just wrong answers" is how developers get into this mess in the first place. The burden shouldn't be on me to find the appropriate answer to the 2374327340234723 different tools that hunters have. The burden should be on the player base to recognize when something is clearly over balanced comparatively and make a conscious decision not to play it for the health of the game. I promise you. Your WL ratio is not worth compromising the quality or fun of a video game. Hunter has 4 legitimate tier 1 strategies at the moment. The ONLY proper response to this is to call for change, and to shun people that feed the engine. If you play hunter, you're part of the problem.
Control Warlock still absolutely crushes hunter if it isn't Deathrattle Recruit/Cube Hunter. Hellfire instantly answers both spellstone boards, or even Zul'Jin if they don't wind up with 4 health beasts (and even if that does happen you can follow up with a defile or just Godfrey/Nether it down. Gul'Dan also wrecks Rexxar because it creates an instantly powerful wide board that can't be dealt with using a single zombeast (outside of a miracle bloatbat) nor can it be knocked down with Hunter's Mark.
Control Warlock still absolutely crushes hunter if it isn't Deathrattle Recruit/Cube Hunter. Hellfire instantly answers both spellstone boards, or even Zul'Jin if they don't wind up with 4 health beasts (and even if that does happen you can follow up with a defile or just Godfrey/Nether it down. Gul'Dan also wrecks Rexxar because it creates an instantly powerful wide board that can't be dealt with using a single zombeast (outside of a miracle bloatbat) nor can it be knocked down with Hunter's Mark.
+1 Imho deathrattle hunter was a favourable MU for control warlock before the new expansion as well. I haven't played this deck since the release, but prior to RR I had a fairly easy time dealing with their board. I ran 2 nethers. If a cube was annoying, I just silenced it. And if the hunter didn't pressure me enough, I would go for my Rin strategy and win by fatiguing them.
The only times I lost to hunter were when I had bad draws (DK being the the last 3-5 cards of my deck) and when the hunter pressured me a lot (also due to me having bad draws).
After at least 3 new threads about hunter every single day there are no more informative and useful opinions. Class is strong, we get it, people should stop spamming the forum with hunter threads
Why? I'm on 40 Games straight with aggressive strategies. 40 isn't exaggerating. It's just a fact. This game caters toward people with aggressive behaviors/practices within the game. Hunter is the highlight of this behavior. The idea that "there are no wrong questions, just wrong answers" is how developers get into this mess in the first place. The burden shouldn't be on me to find the appropriate answer to the 2374327340234723 different tools that hunters have. The burden should be on the player base to recognize when something is clearly over balanced comparatively and make a conscious decision not to play it for the health of the game. I promise you. Your WL ratio is not worth compromising the quality or fun of a video game. Hunter has 4 legitimate tier 1 strategies at the moment. The ONLY proper response to this is to call for change, and to shun people that feed the engine. If you play hunter, you're part of the problem.
No, Hunter is NOT broken. It is in a very good spot right now because of the tools at its disposal. It can be beaten by several different decks. You don't need to play an aggressive deck to beat it. This is the game we are living in right now so adapt or play the top class. There always will be a top class but that doesn't make it a problem. I play Hunter as well as other classes but I am not the problem. Cancerous whiny threads like this are the problem.
I mean, I'm a fairly average player. I don't normally get decks that perform this well usually. ^_^
I would say that the biggest auto-win card for me has to be Zul'jin. I previously stated that I thought this card was a problem and needed attention. I'd now like to withdraw that comment in case Blizzard actually take note and stop my free-win card from being so good! Ahem...!
In seriousness though, I find myself wondering if there is a reasonable way to address Hunter currently. I think that the game really would benefit from more anti-secret options myself. It seems so strange that a secret-dominated meta like this doesnt have more neutral answers.
I understand the frustration of constantly facing an over represented class, but there's a few of your points I'd like to address.
The first is that there is already Chief Inspector in standard which fulfills the role of an anti-secret tech option. With each rotation Blizzard has always made sure there is some version of an anti-secret card available. You don't need more than one. Sure, hypothetically you could run double Chief Inspector, Eater of Secrets, Kezan Mystic but what you'd have is 20% of your deck now being drastic overkill to one niche situation and useless against everything else. So even if there was more anti-secret tech you wouldn't want to fill your deck with it anyways.
As far as Zul'jin is concerned, yes he is a very strong card, but it's definitely not an automatic free win. Any control or combo deck like warrior, mage, paladin, etc. has plenty of aoe's to clear the wolves and deal with it. The hero power isn't exceptional, so once you deal with the immediate effects and clear the board with an aoe it's pretty much dealt with. If you're an aggro deck you won't have aoe, but if the game has reached turn 10 you've probably lost anyway and that's fair.
Finally, the state of hunter right now is that it has not just one but three viable tier-1 decks that all use completely different cards. There's spell/secret hunter, deathrattle hunter, and face/master's call hunter. What this means is that because it has so many deck varieties to choose from you're going to see more of the class on ladder as a whole. Also this means that you can't effectively nerf hunter really even if you wanted to. Nerf spellstone? Deathrattle and face hunter don't use it. Nerf rexxar? Spell and face hunter aren't even running him anymore. Back to the anti-secret issue, tech in a Chief Inspector? Cool, that will work against 1/3rd of the hunters you face and the other ones won't care.
In the end I don't believe that hunter is OP (sure, spellstone could maybe be 6 mana), it's just that it currently has three viable decks and people are just annoyed they're constantly running into it.
After at least 3 new threads about hunter every single day there are no more informative and useful opinions. Class is strong, we get it, people should stop spamming the forum with hunter threads
Why? I'm on 40 Games straight with aggressive strategies. 40 isn't exaggerating. It's just a fact. This game caters toward people with aggressive behaviors/practices within the game. Hunter is the highlight of this behavior. The idea that "there are no wrong questions, just wrong answers" is how developers get into this mess in the first place. The burden shouldn't be on me to find the appropriate answer to the 2374327340234723 different tools that hunters have. The burden should be on the player base to recognize when something is clearly over balanced comparatively and make a conscious decision not to play it for the health of the game. I promise you. Your WL ratio is not worth compromising the quality or fun of a video game. Hunter has 4 legitimate tier 1 strategies at the moment. The ONLY proper response to this is to call for change, and to shun people that feed the engine. If you play hunter, you're part of the problem.
Then go and take that conversation to the salt thread instead of spamming the forum with it. There is nothing wrong with discussing this but people should really either take it to the salt thread or open one megathread and talk about it there instead of constantly openeing new threads that don't offer anything new. Everything that was worth saying on this topic was already said a thousand times in other similar threads. There are a lot of threads on this forum, even new ones, that have barely any interactivity because people don't see them because the top of the forum is constantly filled with hunter QQ threads.
All that I'm asking is that there is 1 thread for this, just one. This will leave 4 more open slots at the top of the page to highlight some other threads that can't get highlited because of the overwhelming amount of hunter threads.
ehhh maybe in standard but definitely not in wild, and standard is what it is, nothing we can do about it except more and more nerfs, balancing is hard :)
And zuljin is pretty bad to be honest, you most likely would have won anyways, its not as big of a tempo swing as for example DK gul'dan or n'zoth is
Pretty bad? Absolute nonsense... hunter and none hunter players agree that its OP at least in this meta...
I’m sure people love to disagree just for the sheer sake of it....
Hunter, meh. It's just cyclical. In a few months most of the really OP Cards are being rotated and things should even out again. It's just Pirate Warriorstone again. Or Aggro Shaman. Or CubeLock. Or Pirate Rogue. Or Jade Druid/Any goddam Druid Deck before the Nerfs.
If you don't like it go play something else until April.
There is nothing wrong with whining about hunter and/or arguing with those who play/defend it. Just please keep it all in one place. If there is a hunter thread opened don't open another one but use that one. There is no need to flood the forum with it. People are interested in other topics too, make it easier for other threads to get highlighted.
It’s more of a Hail Mary card. A full board of 3/3s and beasts with traps isn’t unbeatable if your opponent has a decent board or hand to work with, and if they don’t have a decent board and hand, you’d probably win anyway. So again, the card is usually pulled when the hunter is under 10-15 health, and threatened with checkmate. It’s just an “Oh $#!t” card, albeit a very good one.
Mage with Frost Lich Jaina can beat this pretty easily if it's spell Hunter, not so much if it's a deathrattle Hunter though.
ehhh maybe in standard but definitely not in wild, and standard is what it is, nothing we can do about it except more and more nerfs, balancing is hard :)
And zuljin is pretty bad to be honest, you most likely would have won anyways, its not as big of a tempo swing as for example DK gul'dan or n'zoth is
Pretty bad? Absolute nonsense... hunter and none hunter players agree that its OP at least in this meta...
I’m sure people love to disagree just for the sheer sake of it....
well ehhh we have this thing called void contract, gnome+brann and quite a few other op tools in wild, and im rank 3 rn in standard... i have never lost to a zul'jin, its just bad, easy to counter and clear. (i play odd quest warrior btw, have played it since WW) in wild i barely see huntards but zuljin is quite meh there too... (i play renolock and even shaman there)
I had a 12 streak with discard lock so . . . proof?
If you say so. Last I checked, 15 was more than 12. But I'm no statistician, so I guess you must be the expert... :-D
So a 12 streak is not evidence of brokenness, but a 15 streak is? What about 13 and 14? I just need to know where the line is.
In any case, the numbers are very clear on the subject. No, spellstone doesn't need a nerf (as I painstakingly wrote a couple days ago), and no, hunter is not broken.
If you have a serious problem with hunter, play the decks with substantial win rate advantages over whatever version you're seeing.
Having lived thru Undertaker hunter, I'm enjoying there being more than pure aggro to choose from in the hunter class.
There isn't much hunter at high legend right now, so if it's seriously a problem, just play more games and eventually you will climb to #150 legend or so and you'll have few hunters to worry about. Or are we not still going with "all it takes to climb is time" in this meta?
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N one can stop people for making threads that reasonably point out a problem. The many threads on the subject signify that the problem is really a big issue. The solution is not whining about the many threads, but really make a point that such car design is unacceptable.
It actually can be stopped. It is called forum moderation and hopefully it will be done soon (and implemented properly and fair, ofc). No one is stopping people from pointing out what they consider a problem, but point it out in once place. Is it a really big issue? Yes and the amount of threads do prove that but opening more threads on it won't make the issue go away. It will just flood the forum without accomplishing anything.
Who are you trying to make a point to that such design is unacceptable? Devs aren't here, they barely interact with their own forum and sometimes check reddit, and I'm pretty sure that everyone else who is here knows that hunter is considered a problem so who are people opening this threads for? The vast majority of the entire playerbase aren't even on the forums and reddits. People can yell at other people here about ''ruining the game'' if they are playing hunter but in reality they are barking at the wrong tree. I'll be damned if two users here have actually ever ran into one another, randomly, in the game. Even if we all said ''ok, we won't play hunter'' you still won't notice any difference.
By this point there is nothing new that can be said about this topic. It is all repetition and carrying over from one thread to another. Wouldn't it be better for everyone that instead of opening a few of these threads every day we just have one big one where users can continue to discuss the current problem with hunter? People are already sick of runing into hunter in the game, they don't need to keep runing into hunters here as well. There is nothing wrong with healthy discussion, but people here want to discuss other things as well and if the top of the page is 2-3 hunter threads at all times it just makes it harder for other them to find threads that they are more interested in.
My 2 cents on this topic are that devs are aware of the issue but they don't plan to do anything about it because the rotation is happening soon and they want to see will it fix the problem by itself and if it doesn't then we will be getting nerfs.
Control Warlock still absolutely crushes hunter if it isn't Deathrattle Recruit/Cube Hunter. Hellfire instantly answers both spellstone boards, or even Zul'Jin if they don't wind up with 4 health beasts (and even if that does happen you can follow up with a defile or just Godfrey/Nether it down. Gul'Dan also wrecks Rexxar because it creates an instantly powerful wide board that can't be dealt with using a single zombeast (outside of a miracle bloatbat) nor can it be knocked down with Hunter's Mark.
Disagree. Made a rushdown deck where hunger hyena wins game turn 4 or 5 so many times vs any type of warlock. It's absolutely stupid to have a 13 attack minion on turn 4 or 5 that only cost you 2 mana to play at that!
Hunter's spellstone is both the stupidest and most oppressive spellstone. This at least, isnt even an opinion. It is fact. 12/12 for 5...lmao
In my opinion flanking strike is way too good as well, Removal that add a body on board is nasty. The only other minion i can think of that does 3 dmg is shaman class and cost 6 to play.
Actually, people believe that hunter is broken but doesn't seem to know why it's really broken.
In this meta, hunter have FOUR excellent decks : Secret / Cube / Midrange / Spell. Each of them have a different strategy and you have to mulligan / play against each of them differently. The good thing is that they don't use the same card like druid so you can tell the difference from the beginning. But in the mulligan, you don't know what to keep or throw. And that impact a bit your winrate.
Just like when you face Warlock, you don't know if you have to keep your AoE for Zoo, or your late game card for Control. But here you have to guess between 4 decks. A simple example : You play Warlock, you face Hunter, do you keep Hellfire because of Lesser Emerald Spellstone or do you mulligan it because it's counter productive against Cube with Devilsaur Egg ?
If you play a deck that have good matchup against Secret or Midrange, there is a good chance that you won't have the same odd against Cube or Spell, thus making Hunter as a whole class broken, but taking decks separately and you will see that there are just good enough.
I think you are overestimating the number of hunter/"QQ" threads made every day. True, I've seen plenty of them, but the fact is most people love replying to those as well, which is why they stay afloat for so long.
Be it the ever so original salt thread link/git gud, an unbelievably dumb "iM glAD blIZZ dOeSNt lIsTEn tO tHis coMmUniTY", an actually well-structured post (which, to be very frank, only Lyra_Silvertongue tends to write), or a statement redirecting the nerf to something else, people talk about it because it is an issue, even if nothing more can be said.
The only way to kill these threads is by not replying to them. Take a look at the many, many threads with less than 10 replies. The hard truth is that people care more about attacking/defending hunter than talking about those other topics.
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rank 4 and at the end of the month, a 15 win streak at this time of the month with that deck mean nothing, if you do that on Legend well that's another thing
rank 4 and at the end of the month, a 15 win streak at this time of the month with that deck mean nothing, if you do that on Legend well that's another thing
i love people who throw this kind of comment into threads that have an absolutely different point but ok we all acknowledge end of month rank 4 hunter bashing everything else is nothing like dumpster legend hunter bashing 15 decks in a row. lol.
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I'll be honest, I don't think Zul'jin is really all that bad. I'm not usually losing games that I otherwise would have won to Zul'jin. I do, however, lose games that I otherwise would have won to Rexxar.
The problem is, that the opponents board is slaughtered by Deadly Shots and Crushing Walls
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Why? I'm on 40 Games straight with aggressive strategies. 40 isn't exaggerating. It's just a fact. This game caters toward people with aggressive behaviors/practices within the game. Hunter is the highlight of this behavior. The idea that "there are no wrong questions, just wrong answers" is how developers get into this mess in the first place. The burden shouldn't be on me to find the appropriate answer to the 2374327340234723 different tools that hunters have. The burden should be on the player base to recognize when something is clearly over balanced comparatively and make a conscious decision not to play it for the health of the game. I promise you. Your WL ratio is not worth compromising the quality or fun of a video game. Hunter has 4 legitimate tier 1 strategies at the moment. The ONLY proper response to this is to call for change, and to shun people that feed the engine. If you play hunter, you're part of the problem.
Control Warlock still absolutely crushes hunter if it isn't Deathrattle Recruit/Cube Hunter. Hellfire instantly answers both spellstone boards, or even Zul'Jin if they don't wind up with 4 health beasts (and even if that does happen you can follow up with a defile or just Godfrey/Nether it down. Gul'Dan also wrecks Rexxar because it creates an instantly powerful wide board that can't be dealt with using a single zombeast (outside of a miracle bloatbat) nor can it be knocked down with Hunter's Mark.
+1 Imho deathrattle hunter was a favourable MU for control warlock before the new expansion as well. I haven't played this deck since the release, but prior to RR I had a fairly easy time dealing with their board. I ran 2 nethers. If a cube was annoying, I just silenced it. And if the hunter didn't pressure me enough, I would go for my Rin strategy and win by fatiguing them.
The only times I lost to hunter were when I had bad draws (DK being the the last 3-5 cards of my deck) and when the hunter pressured me a lot (also due to me having bad draws).
No, Hunter is NOT broken. It is in a very good spot right now because of the tools at its disposal. It can be beaten by several different decks. You don't need to play an aggressive deck to beat it. This is the game we are living in right now so adapt or play the top class. There always will be a top class but that doesn't make it a problem. I play Hunter as well as other classes but I am not the problem. Cancerous whiny threads like this are the problem.
I understand the frustration of constantly facing an over represented class, but there's a few of your points I'd like to address.
The first is that there is already Chief Inspector in standard which fulfills the role of an anti-secret tech option. With each rotation Blizzard has always made sure there is some version of an anti-secret card available. You don't need more than one. Sure, hypothetically you could run double Chief Inspector, Eater of Secrets, Kezan Mystic but what you'd have is 20% of your deck now being drastic overkill to one niche situation and useless against everything else. So even if there was more anti-secret tech you wouldn't want to fill your deck with it anyways.
As far as Zul'jin is concerned, yes he is a very strong card, but it's definitely not an automatic free win. Any control or combo deck like warrior, mage, paladin, etc. has plenty of aoe's to clear the wolves and deal with it. The hero power isn't exceptional, so once you deal with the immediate effects and clear the board with an aoe it's pretty much dealt with. If you're an aggro deck you won't have aoe, but if the game has reached turn 10 you've probably lost anyway and that's fair.
Finally, the state of hunter right now is that it has not just one but three viable tier-1 decks that all use completely different cards. There's spell/secret hunter, deathrattle hunter, and face/master's call hunter. What this means is that because it has so many deck varieties to choose from you're going to see more of the class on ladder as a whole. Also this means that you can't effectively nerf hunter really even if you wanted to. Nerf spellstone? Deathrattle and face hunter don't use it. Nerf rexxar? Spell and face hunter aren't even running him anymore. Back to the anti-secret issue, tech in a Chief Inspector? Cool, that will work against 1/3rd of the hunters you face and the other ones won't care.
In the end I don't believe that hunter is OP (sure, spellstone could maybe be 6 mana), it's just that it currently has three viable decks and people are just annoyed they're constantly running into it.
Then go and take that conversation to the salt thread instead of spamming the forum with it. There is nothing wrong with discussing this but people should really either take it to the salt thread or open one megathread and talk about it there instead of constantly openeing new threads that don't offer anything new. Everything that was worth saying on this topic was already said a thousand times in other similar threads. There are a lot of threads on this forum, even new ones, that have barely any interactivity because people don't see them because the top of the forum is constantly filled with hunter QQ threads.
All that I'm asking is that there is 1 thread for this, just one. This will leave 4 more open slots at the top of the page to highlight some other threads that can't get highlited because of the overwhelming amount of hunter threads.
Pretty bad? Absolute nonsense... hunter and none hunter players agree that its OP at least in this meta...
I’m sure people love to disagree just for the sheer sake of it....
Hunter, meh. It's just cyclical. In a few months most of the really OP Cards are being rotated and things should even out again. It's just Pirate Warriorstone again. Or Aggro Shaman. Or CubeLock. Or Pirate Rogue. Or Jade Druid/Any goddam Druid Deck before the Nerfs.
If you don't like it go play something else until April.
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There is nothing wrong with whining about hunter and/or arguing with those who play/defend it. Just please keep it all in one place. If there is a hunter thread opened don't open another one but use that one. There is no need to flood the forum with it. People are interested in other topics too, make it easier for other threads to get highlighted.
Mage with Frost Lich Jaina can beat this pretty easily if it's spell Hunter, not so much if it's a deathrattle Hunter though.
well ehhh we have this thing called void contract, gnome+brann and quite a few other op tools in wild, and im rank 3 rn in standard... i have never lost to a zul'jin, its just bad, easy to counter and clear. (i play odd quest warrior btw, have played it since WW) in wild i barely see huntards but zuljin is quite meh there too... (i play renolock and even shaman there)
So a 12 streak is not evidence of brokenness, but a 15 streak is? What about 13 and 14? I just need to know where the line is.
In any case, the numbers are very clear on the subject. No, spellstone doesn't need a nerf (as I painstakingly wrote a couple days ago), and no, hunter is not broken.
If you have a serious problem with hunter, play the decks with substantial win rate advantages over whatever version you're seeing.
Having lived thru Undertaker hunter, I'm enjoying there being more than pure aggro to choose from in the hunter class.
There isn't much hunter at high legend right now, so if it's seriously a problem, just play more games and eventually you will climb to #150 legend or so and you'll have few hunters to worry about. Or are we not still going with "all it takes to climb is time" in this meta?
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It actually can be stopped. It is called forum moderation and hopefully it will be done soon (and implemented properly and fair, ofc). No one is stopping people from pointing out what they consider a problem, but point it out in once place. Is it a really big issue? Yes and the amount of threads do prove that but opening more threads on it won't make the issue go away. It will just flood the forum without accomplishing anything.
Who are you trying to make a point to that such design is unacceptable? Devs aren't here, they barely interact with their own forum and sometimes check reddit, and I'm pretty sure that everyone else who is here knows that hunter is considered a problem so who are people opening this threads for? The vast majority of the entire playerbase aren't even on the forums and reddits. People can yell at other people here about ''ruining the game'' if they are playing hunter but in reality they are barking at the wrong tree. I'll be damned if two users here have actually ever ran into one another, randomly, in the game. Even if we all said ''ok, we won't play hunter'' you still won't notice any difference.
By this point there is nothing new that can be said about this topic. It is all repetition and carrying over from one thread to another. Wouldn't it be better for everyone that instead of opening a few of these threads every day we just have one big one where users can continue to discuss the current problem with hunter? People are already sick of runing into hunter in the game, they don't need to keep runing into hunters here as well. There is nothing wrong with healthy discussion, but people here want to discuss other things as well and if the top of the page is 2-3 hunter threads at all times it just makes it harder for other them to find threads that they are more interested in.
My 2 cents on this topic are that devs are aware of the issue but they don't plan to do anything about it because the rotation is happening soon and they want to see will it fix the problem by itself and if it doesn't then we will be getting nerfs.
Disagree. Made a rushdown deck where hunger hyena wins game turn 4 or 5 so many times vs any type of warlock. It's absolutely stupid to have a 13 attack minion on turn 4 or 5 that only cost you 2 mana to play at that!
Hunter's spellstone is both the stupidest and most oppressive spellstone. This at least, isnt even an opinion. It is fact. 12/12 for 5...lmao
In my opinion flanking strike is way too good as well, Removal that add a body on board is nasty. The only other minion i can think of that does 3 dmg is shaman class and cost 6 to play.
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Actually, people believe that hunter is broken but doesn't seem to know why it's really broken.
In this meta, hunter have FOUR excellent decks : Secret / Cube / Midrange / Spell. Each of them have a different strategy and you have to mulligan / play against each of them differently. The good thing is that they don't use the same card like druid so you can tell the difference from the beginning. But in the mulligan, you don't know what to keep or throw. And that impact a bit your winrate.
Just like when you face Warlock, you don't know if you have to keep your AoE for Zoo, or your late game card for Control. But here you have to guess between 4 decks. A simple example : You play Warlock, you face Hunter, do you keep Hellfire because of Lesser Emerald Spellstone or do you mulligan it because it's counter productive against Cube with Devilsaur Egg ?
If you play a deck that have good matchup against Secret or Midrange, there is a good chance that you won't have the same odd against Cube or Spell, thus making Hunter as a whole class broken, but taking decks separately and you will see that there are just good enough.
I think you are overestimating the number of hunter/"QQ" threads made every day. True, I've seen plenty of them, but the fact is most people love replying to those as well, which is why they stay afloat for so long.
Be it the ever so original salt thread link/git gud, an unbelievably dumb "iM glAD blIZZ dOeSNt lIsTEn tO tHis coMmUniTY", an actually well-structured post (which, to be very frank, only Lyra_Silvertongue tends to write), or a statement redirecting the nerf to something else, people talk about it because it is an issue, even if nothing more can be said.
The only way to kill these threads is by not replying to them. Take a look at the many, many threads with less than 10 replies. The hard truth is that people care more about attacking/defending hunter than talking about those other topics.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
rank 4 and at the end of the month, a 15 win streak at this time of the month with that deck mean nothing, if you do that on Legend well that's another thing
i love people who throw this kind of comment into threads that have an absolutely different point but ok we all acknowledge end of month rank 4 hunter bashing everything else is nothing like dumpster legend hunter bashing 15 decks in a row. lol.