I mean, I am always quite flattered when I see people playing my deck ideas like Razakus Priest or Keleseth Rogue. XD Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that I am shaping the meta...
/jokez
But seriously, I have often wondered why people get so tight in the pants over the idea of learning from those better than them. (Don't get me wrong, I have been frustrated to see the same decks used repeatedly, but I put that down to some people not having that particular skill - how to build a killer deck idea) I mean, if you want to get better at something, you have to learn from people who are better than you, right?
In a similar vein, it's one thing to copy a deck you saw a Youtuber play, but another thing entirely to know how to play that deck (which is a separate skill entirely). I lost count of the number of times I see someone running a Pirate Warrior attempting to out-tempo me with board control, or a Dragon Priest playing synergy cards with no dragons in hand. Misplays are commonplace until you build the knowledge of how a deck is supposed to work.
Perhaps much of the frustration comes from the usual salt of knowing that the particular deck you are running is not teched to beat the one you hate seeing?
Without master deck-builders, those who don't know how to build a good strong deck will never get a real chance to let their play-skill shine as they need a deck that lives up to their expectations. And that's where us deckbuilders come into play, really. We do the experiments and the synergy investigations - and we love to test silly meme decks to find that one wild, unstoppable combo or mad synergy play.
But without others taking those decks and making them work and rise to fame, our efforts our wasted. So in short, a brief thank you to the netdeckers for stress-testing our decks for us and taking them up to tier 1, making us proud!
Now, go invent your own blasted deck ideas, yer scum-sucking netdecking waste of spaces...! *ahem!*
There is nothing wrong with netdecking. Just because people do not have the skill or patience to make a deck does not mean they shouldn't e allowed to play optimal decks. For the people who can make their own decks, well then more power to them (obvious self-congratulation here)! :)
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It's not 'wrong', but it's disappointing when the ladder (at the upper levels anyway) consists of only a few decks. I don't know how you solve this problem. People want to win. Certain decks win much more often than others. Alas, it's only a few at the moment.
I like playing a Buffadin deck. I got to rank 6 on the ladder. Not even sure how. I am no longer playing ladder games. I am hopelessly outclassed most days by Keleseth Rogue, Highlander Priest etc. So I play casual instead. Disgustingly, those same decks are there too, but at least less often.
If a chunk of Hearthstoners only netdeck, they never learn any deckbuilding skills, fail to know how and when to make changes, and might as well let a bot take over their account.
That being said, I have no qualms with someone who is netdecking to try and learn the game as a new player by experiencing some different archetypes, or to get a quest out of the way. Or even as a starting template which they will revise a bit.
I have to ignore pretty much everything you've written here because I smell a rather large, unsightly ego on you.
Netdecking is an immense problem. It's only really okay if you just don't know how to make a deck. Netdecking pushes creative deck building to the side entirely. Netdecking also increases the frequency of seeing certain decks on ladder... by a fuckton. The game starts to lose color when less people are attempting innovation. Netdecking can not only make the experience a painfully boring one for people who are tired of seeing the 37th Pirate Warrior/Jade Druid/Zoolock in a row, netdecking also fucks up tournaments (See Skullclamp combo for more details). People say netdecking isn't a problem and then complain sometime later about the lack of diverse decks on the ladder.
Netdecking is for scrubs who can't build their own deck.
The main problem with net-decks is that the pro lists tend to include a few tech cards. If you're not a high-legend player, it's likely some of the cards in these lists will not work for you. It's a matter of rankings really imo.
I think regardless of whether people could find decks all over the internet, we'd still eventually see the same few decks run everywhere. Someone at some point will build a keleseth rogue and another person will think "ey, that was a really strong deck, I'm gonna try building that" until eventually everyone does that.
If you think you're the reason people are playing Razakus Priest and Keleseth Rogue, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not.
There's nothing wrong with one person netdecking. The reason it's frustrating is that people are doing it en masse. This causes huge staleness in the meta only a couple of days after an expansion launches. If I face a druid, I have to see only 1 card to know every card in his deck. If I see a Priest, you can safely assume it's Razakus. And so on
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Nothing wrong with netdecking - the real skill is how to play them properly and how to tech them properly (instead of asking "I'm playing a t1 netdeck why am I not legend yet").
I have a big problem though if you're netdecking casual.
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If you think you're the reason people are playing Razakus Priest and Keleseth Rogue, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not.
It seems that you (and a couple others) missed the sarcasm in the first paragraph (followed by the "But seriously..." ) XD
Though it does take a special type of ego to claim someone didn't do what they said they did, without any proof to the contrary. But to each his own... ;-)
The divine spirit/inner fire dragon priest exists on ladder as well (I was playing it last 2 days). It destroys Razakus priest (they don't play any taunts and if you have a drakonid operative that doesn't get shadow word deathed you basically win) so it might catch on. I had a mirror match once as well. I'm rank 9 with it at the moment.
My problem with netdecking is that it means you face the same deck over and over again. And if you don't play an answer to it, because you're not climbing the ladder, because you want to play this game for fun, you get destroyed over and over.
Should I adapt, yeah, but that means I have to go netdeck. And thus contribute to the problem and ruin other people's fun.
If I face a druid, I have to see only 1 card to know every card in his deck. If I see a Priest, you can safely assume it's Razakus.
This point, however, I wanted to pick up on. :-) This is something that I think a lot of people who complain about netdeckers completely miss. The fact that by so many of the same deck being used, it gives a huge advantage to your opponent. They know what your deck does, what cards you are likely to run and what to expect.
This is a big positive towards the idea of netdecking and why it's not such a bad thing - for everyone. :-)
My problem with netdecking is that it completely kills the variety of decks you play against and makes the game stale. I no longer play standard and only stick to wild now because I want to play with AND against a larger variety of play styles, but then I get frustrated because no matter what rank I'm playing against, I see the same Priest and Druid decks over and over. None of them are original or interesting, and it gets really boring. I play probably 10-15 matches a day and I honestly don't remember the last time I played against a deck that wasn't on the front page of Hearthpwn; to me that's really really sad.
because its annoying and takes a lot of fun out of the game when you can predict exactly what your opponent is playing before the mulligan every single game, and accurately guess what he will play every turn. sure, it feels great crushing all the netdeckers with a homebrew list, but i would rather not face the same cards every game.
I'm not even going to get into how much I hate highlander priest. even as a deck favored against it I feel every game is a grind and a race against time. somehow they always seem to curve out pretty much perfect too for a deck only running 1-ofs which is also quite amazing.
I mean, I am always quite flattered when I see people playing my deck ideas like Razakus Priest or Keleseth Rogue. XD
Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that I am shaping the meta...
/jokez
But seriously, I have often wondered why people get so tight in the pants over the idea of learning from those better than them. (Don't get me wrong, I have been frustrated to see the same decks used repeatedly, but I put that down to some people not having that particular skill - how to build a killer deck idea)
I mean, if you want to get better at something, you have to learn from people who are better than you, right?
In a similar vein, it's one thing to copy a deck you saw a Youtuber play, but another thing entirely to know how to play that deck (which is a separate skill entirely). I lost count of the number of times I see someone running a Pirate Warrior attempting to out-tempo me with board control, or a Dragon Priest playing synergy cards with no dragons in hand. Misplays are commonplace until you build the knowledge of how a deck is supposed to work.
Perhaps much of the frustration comes from the usual salt of knowing that the particular deck you are running is not teched to beat the one you hate seeing?
Without master deck-builders, those who don't know how to build a good strong deck will never get a real chance to let their play-skill shine as they need a deck that lives up to their expectations. And that's where us deckbuilders come into play, really. We do the experiments and the synergy investigations - and we love to test silly meme decks to find that one wild, unstoppable combo or mad synergy play.
But without others taking those decks and making them work and rise to fame, our efforts our wasted.
So in short, a brief thank you to the netdeckers for stress-testing our decks for us and taking them up to tier 1, making us proud!
Now, go invent your own blasted deck ideas, yer scum-sucking netdecking waste of spaces...! *ahem!*
Are you, by any chance... ASSEMBLING THE "MASTER (DECK)BUILDERS"?
There is nothing wrong with netdecking. Just because people do not have the skill or patience to make a deck does not mean they shouldn't e allowed to play optimal decks. For the people who can make their own decks, well then more power to them (obvious self-congratulation here)! :)
It's not 'wrong', but it's disappointing when the ladder (at the upper levels anyway) consists of only a few decks. I don't know how you solve this problem. People want to win. Certain decks win much more often than others. Alas, it's only a few at the moment.
I like playing a Buffadin deck. I got to rank 6 on the ladder. Not even sure how. I am no longer playing ladder games. I am hopelessly outclassed most days by Keleseth Rogue, Highlander Priest etc. So I play casual instead. Disgustingly, those same decks are there too, but at least less often.
If a chunk of Hearthstoners only netdeck, they never learn any deckbuilding skills, fail to know how and when to make changes, and might as well let a bot take over their account.
That being said, I have no qualms with someone who is netdecking to try and learn the game as a new player by experiencing some different archetypes, or to get a quest out of the way. Or even as a starting template which they will revise a bit.
I have to ignore pretty much everything you've written here because I smell a rather large, unsightly ego on you.
Netdecking is an immense problem. It's only really okay if you just don't know how to make a deck. Netdecking pushes creative deck building to the side entirely. Netdecking also increases the frequency of seeing certain decks on ladder... by a fuckton. The game starts to lose color when less people are attempting innovation. Netdecking can not only make the experience a painfully boring one for people who are tired of seeing the 37th Pirate Warrior/Jade Druid/Zoolock in a row, netdecking also fucks up tournaments (See Skullclamp combo for more details). People say netdecking isn't a problem and then complain sometime later about the lack of diverse decks on the ladder.
Netdecking is for scrubs who can't build their own deck.
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The main problem with net-decks is that the pro lists tend to include a few tech cards. If you're not a high-legend player, it's likely some of the cards in these lists will not work for you. It's a matter of rankings really imo.
There's nothing wrong with netdecking. I don't understand why anyone would do that instead of building their own deck, but to each their own.
I think regardless of whether people could find decks all over the internet, we'd still eventually see the same few decks run everywhere. Someone at some point will build a keleseth rogue and another person will think "ey, that was a really strong deck, I'm gonna try building that" until eventually everyone does that.
That's Incredible!
If you think you're the reason people are playing Razakus Priest and Keleseth Rogue, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not.
There's nothing wrong with one person netdecking. The reason it's frustrating is that people are doing it en masse. This causes huge staleness in the meta only a couple of days after an expansion launches. If I face a druid, I have to see only 1 card to know every card in his deck. If I see a Priest, you can safely assume it's Razakus. And so on
Warrior: If someone is playing Warrior currently, he's probably playing Pirates or Dead man's hand. This is the snowflake of today's meta
Shaman: 90% chance of Evolve Shaman
Druid: 80 % chance of Jade Druid
Mage: 70% Secret Tempo Mage
Rogue: Keleseth Rogue
Paladin: Murloc paladin
Hunter: Midrange Hunter
Warlock: Zoo
Priest: Razakus
Staleness is the problem, Netdecking is what causes it to happen extremely quickly.
Nothing wrong with netdecking - the real skill is how to play them properly and how to tech them properly (instead of asking "I'm playing a t1 netdeck why am I not legend yet").
I have a big problem though if you're netdecking casual.
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The divine spirit/inner fire dragon priest exists on ladder as well (I was playing it last 2 days). It destroys Razakus priest (they don't play any taunts and if you have a drakonid operative that doesn't get shadow word deathed you basically win) so it might catch on. I had a mirror match once as well. I'm rank 9 with it at the moment.
My problem with netdecking is that it means you face the same deck over and over again. And if you don't play an answer to it, because you're not climbing the ladder, because you want to play this game for fun, you get destroyed over and over.
Should I adapt, yeah, but that means I have to go netdeck. And thus contribute to the problem and ruin other people's fun.
This is something that I think a lot of people who complain about netdeckers completely miss. The fact that by so many of the same deck being used, it gives a huge advantage to your opponent. They know what your deck does, what cards you are likely to run and what to expect.
My problem with netdecking is that it completely kills the variety of decks you play against and makes the game stale. I no longer play standard and only stick to wild now because I want to play with AND against a larger variety of play styles, but then I get frustrated because no matter what rank I'm playing against, I see the same Priest and Druid decks over and over. None of them are original or interesting, and it gets really boring. I play probably 10-15 matches a day and I honestly don't remember the last time I played against a deck that wasn't on the front page of Hearthpwn; to me that's really really sad.
because its annoying and takes a lot of fun out of the game when you can predict exactly what your opponent is playing before the mulligan every single game, and accurately guess what he will play every turn. sure, it feels great crushing all the netdeckers with a homebrew list, but i would rather not face the same cards every game.
I'm not even going to get into how much I hate highlander priest. even as a deck favored against it I feel every game is a grind and a race against time. somehow they always seem to curve out pretty much perfect too for a deck only running 1-ofs which is also quite amazing.
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