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I haven't had too much trouble from Druids personally. Pirate Warrior is still stealing a lot of my victories though.

The fundementally best/most powerful things you can do in a resource based card game:

Number 3: Ramp 

Number 2: Card Draw

Number 1: "Free" spells (innervate)

Druid as the only class ticks all three boxes. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a broken class at its worst. Dont make excuses just because you like to play it, its broken at its core atm.

Is it possible to reach legend with jade druid?

Well, of course I lose when I'm at 5 mana, the Druid is at 10 mana and he refills his hand with Infestation on turn 6 and has more cards than me.

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The comparison between BGH and Geist is way off. A fairer comparison would be secret eater, which is considerably better at it's job. I have enough experience with jade druid to talk about it with perspective, presumably like you do with aggro. It's weaknesses were it's weak early and mid game, which have been solved. Hence it is the most popular deck on ladder right now by some margin, which i note you don't refute.

 Big Game Hunter is a Tech Card, just like Geist and Eater. The comparison is not off, it is perfectly valid because they are all in the same category of cards, Tech Cards. I used Big Game Hunter because it was a Tech Card that for years was overpowered, it was played in nearly EVERY deck, and it prevented 7+ Attack minions from being used. This is terrible design. Tech Cards need to have downsides to force players to think if they want to use them, not just include them in every deck like Big Game Hunter, because if they are like Big Game Hunter, the Strategy those Tech Cards nullify is UNVIABLE in the game.

Jade Druid is the most popular deck in the game right now, but that doesn't mean there is the same problem as there was when Warriors were extremely popular, or when Shamans were extremely popular. Jade Druid are still weak to early and mid game, as long as the player knows what he is doing. You can see many games, and you will see players overextend their boards into the Druid's Spreading Plagues, and obviously getting punished for it. Easiest one to talk about, Hunters, when you see them playing crappy garbage on the board like Alley Cats, when the Druid is going to Spreading Plague. This is just a terrible play, and deserves to be punished. And it is entirely on the fault of the Hunter, for not playing around the card. Prioritize powerful single minions like Highmane and such, and your position is far better against their cards.

It is all about knowing how to play against the Druids. They received a great tool, Spreading Plague, to deal with Aggro. Only thing is, against great players, Spreading Plague is not really that effective.

Druid is def a problem right now. At least with pirate warrior you lose fast. With Druid you think you have a chance and they just ramp up, jades galore and refill entire hand.. not to mention that spell that summons a 1/5 taunt for each minion you have if you happen to have board control. Class is top tier right now and not even a close second. 

Here's a hint to everyone: if you are rank 5 or below, you're not even playing hearthstone in its actual metagame. And even the druids that you WILL face, will be playing suboptimally, and with suboptimal lists. So please don't come to this forum and discuss whether X class is "broken" or not.

Druid needs to be nerfed, and it's not even funny anymore. The class has been at least tier 2 since beta of hearthstone, and with the recent expansions it has basically lost all the weaknesses it historically had. There is basically no way you can counter Jade Druid without sucking against everything else in the game.

Do what Reynad suggested and send Innervate to the Hall of Fame.

Here's his video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-7s5xuJck

Honestly think Spreading Plague has been the biggest deal for Druid. We were always super obnoxiously strong in late game control matchups (though you'd ramp slower) before Ultimate Infestation... but Spreading Plague is so insanely good against decks Druid would usually struggle against such as Token Shaman. 

They made a garbage tech 6 drop to beat ONE card and thought that would be enough. And people called me stupid when I said Jade would continue to be fucking stupid and nothing would change. Oh wait, something did change. Druid got better! Nice quality control you got there Blizzard, surely Team 5 isn't just a bunch of morons with no TCG experience that shouldn't be anywhere near designing lunchbox's let alone cards?

Hall of Faming Innervate is ludicrous to me, it's quintissential druid, it's THE class card for Druid more than literally any other in my opinion. If they'd just nerfed Jade Idol instead of the tech card for it we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Druid DK hero power is "massively imbalanced"? Hmm...

*looks at Druid DK card reveal thread and the dozens of posts in there about how garbage that DK is

Something doesn't seem right...

Yes, Spreading plague and infestation has together removed all the weaknesses of the druid class. It's become completely busted.

One of them needs to be changed, or innervate HOFed. Right now it completely breaks the meta.

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Hall of Faming Innervate is ludicrous to me, it's quintissential druid, it's THE class card for Druid more than literally any other in my opinion. If they'd just nerfed Jade Idol instead of the tech card for it we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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And the worst thing: they are so boring to play and to play vs them. They also take almost 0 skill. Just play on curve or play all your cards... thx blizz...

Yeah, I hate Pirate Warr... uh, I mean umm, Shaman Agg, no, uh... what deck are we hating on again now? :-)

 

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Hall of Faming Innervate is ludicrous to me, it's quintissential druid, it's THE class card for Druid more than literally any other in my opinion. If they'd just nerfed Jade Idol instead of the tech card for it we wouldn't be having this discussion.

hall of faming innervate is a bonkers suggestion, innervate is a really great and interesting card. The problem is jades, not just jade idol, but the entire mechanic. Honestly we're just gonna have to wait for it to rotate out in two expansions... 

again, it's not unbeatable, it's just frustratingly prolific and not super exciting to play against 

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Infestation is the problem? Or de jade package? Do you feel opressed by that plague druid that plays Crypt Lords and insects? I really like the flavor of that deck, and it doesn't seem opressive to me.

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Also one big issue is that aggro druid is also a good deck so it's very hard to mulligan against a druid.

There is no way they can rotate out Innervate and/or Wild Growth without turning the class into an utter joke or forcing themselves to make cards to replace these cards for all time. Have you seen the proactive plays of Druid for 1 - 3 Mana or does the babyrage-infused salt blind you all?

Those two cards are the core of any Druid and with just 2 cheap ramp cards its hard enough now to get any consistency for slower Druid archetypes, what do you guys think would happen if 1 of them was rotated out, without a backup plan?

Druid would basically be a new and worse Hunter Class for all intents and purposes, playing Aggro Token decks, because it can't play from behind and just relying on drawing Wild Growth early is so inconsistent its not even funny. Reynad has lost his mind if he thinks that that change is balanced in any way, it would just delete a few Druid archetypes to satisfy unwarranted whining, because we are still just 1 week into the expansion. Want to counter slower Druids? Play board-centric aggro or Midrange decks and there problem solved.

Ramp has been a viable non-broken strategy forever just because Jade Druid is pushing it doesn't mean Druid should be deleted as a class.