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You can't be serious. This poll was hijacked by people coming in to vote for a WoW pet.

Very disappointing win.  We were prompted this week to come up with something that promotes beast synergy and were expressly instructed to avoid making a minion whose only synergy was that it happens to have a beast tag.  Pepe does absolutely nothing to promote beast synergy.  It's a 1/1 minion that's only relation to a beast deck is that it happens to have a beast tag.  If anything, it's effect would actually hurt beast decks, which rely on playing beasts and attacking with them.  Also Blizzard has said several times that they prefer cards that promote active gameplay, which is why there aren't cards forcing your opponent to discard or permanently locking down the game.  Pepe goes against that design philosophy and would never actually be a card put into the game.  But its Pepe and he's cute so it wins.

I wish Pepe had been excluded but it wasn't so Timmult won fair and square.  Grats on figuring out a good way to get votes.  The true winner here really should have been CasmX with Wolpertinger, which came in second while actually following the prompt.  

I'm also very disappointed. Pepe is useless against 3 classes out of 9 but would completely screw board-centric decks... including beast druid itself.

For a second I though Wolpertinger had won.

Pretty dissapointed too :(

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Woah I completely missed the Wolpentinger in the submissions this thing blows my mind gj!

I wanna ask something regarding the whole final poll process. Straight to the point - why can you vote for as many entries as you want? I think most people are decisive enough to pick out 1 favorite or if that would create a vote deficit then maybe up it to 3 cards as in your top 3. That just makes more sense to me. Have any of these 2 variants been tried before and resulted in issues?

 What is the point of doing this? Why can't I vote for the 6 I like most? You shouldn't change something unless there is a good reason for it. 

 It's just intuitive. When there are elections do you go vote for your 6 favorite political parties?

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PEPE RULEZ!

Worst winner ever

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U have report my insensitive friend....

There is no rule against voting for good art.  But we get prompts for a reason and cards are supposed to follow those prompts.  Pepe doesnt even try to follow the week's prompt.  It acually is directly opposed to the prompt of promoting beast synergy.

Im fine with a cute/funny card winning as long as it follows the rules.  If the prompt doesnt matter, whats the point of even giving one?

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1. report was joke....

2. there is no rule that someone must vote for good/best cards, not for cute cards, so it is sad, how many poeple are mad that PEPE won.

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Woah I completely missed the Wolpentinger in the submissions this thing blows my mind gj!

I wanna ask something regarding the whole final poll process. Straight to the point - why can you vote for as many entries as you want? I think most people are decisive enough to pick out 1 favorite or if that would create a vote deficit then maybe up it to 3 cards as in your top 3. That just makes more sense to me. Have any of these 2 variants been tried before and resulted in issues?

 What is the point of doing this? Why can't I vote for the 6 I like most? You shouldn't change something unless there is a good reason for it. 

 It's just intuitive. When there are elections do you go vote for your 6 favorite political parties?

Some elections do work like that, actually, and I think it's a good system. It's not a good analogy because in most elections where you're allowed one vote, there are generally two main choices. Even in places where politics has more than 2 main parties, there are never like 20 serious choices to choose from. Here you do have 20 serious choices to choose from. It's a much different choice.

 Analogies aside, no matter how many relevant choices, I'd imagine that people in this forum can and do narrow them down to 2,3 or 1 except some very dedicated and generous reviewers maybe. Because objectively all the cards in the finals are pretty good but not every card is going to catch your eye. Some people may choose their top cards by how flashy or spectacular they are, others will prefer something that's better balanced and more practical. But as it is, people needn't even choose their criteria - they can vote for both the most flashy and the most practical and maybe the funniest meme cards and in the end Pepe wins?! You think it would still win if everyone had one vote?

This competition has been an utter travesty. It demonstrates two things:

1. Advertising the Final Poll hurts the quality of the competition by bringing in voters who just don't care about design.
2. Making the polls secret is, and has always been, a huge mistake.

Let me talk about the second point. In the second season, polls weren't secret. So, you knew which cards were doing well and which cards you needed to discuss in the finals. A winner didn't just sneak up on you like Pepe did. People whined and complained about people ganging up on certain cards, but that is just people who don't want to defend the card of their choice from criticism. The entire point of these poll discussion is to criticize cards so we can decide which one deserves to win. It takes a lot more effort to do that when you don't know which of the 20 cards are legitimate contenders. For example, this week, I didn't direct any attention to Pepe because I thought no one was voting for it. And the poll topic confirmed that because basically no one was giving it any positive feedback besides for its art. 

If this poll had not been secret, we here could have seen the alarming voting trend for Pepe and moved to address it. This could have allowed people to re-think their voting in light of the fact that is was an actual contender. But more importantly, it would have allowed us to know we needed to actually discuss it. It would also show people who are coming here with no knowledge of the design competition what cards we here think are the best. Maybe if some of these no-nothings who came in saw that Wolpertinger was getting so many votes would have stopped to read it and see what we were saying about it instead of mindlessly just voting for their favorite WoW pet.

In summary, I am still pissed that the mods made the polls secret, especially since it ended up ruining the first theme I got to choose. Thanks a lot, all you jerks who wanted secret polls. I hope your happy with trolls giving you a sneak torpedo of this week's competition.

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My second suggestion was to make the vote cap 3 - if you say the average person voted for 2.9 cards then that's perfect!

I might seem overly persistent with this, not really demanding anything but if it hasn't been tried it could improve the whole system. Again, I'm relatively new in the forum. If you want to keep your habits then so be it. For me the lack of vote cap was weird and unintuitive the first time I voted around 4 months ago and up to this day it remains such. If more people shared my opinion that would be a good enough reason for change.

I mean apparently you're not happy with the way this week turned out and blame the system as well. You think polls being secret is the problem? Maybe but maybe not. There's a bigger probability for "mindless voting" to happen if you see a card leading by a lot and you just join the herd of sheep (people tend to do that a lot). Sure someone might vote for an underdog because they know it's an underdog, but hell the previous thing I said would happen way more often. Underdogs might even lose potential votes because you see they're so behind and you think "well that's a wasted cause no need to waste clicks on it". I'm not saying tons of people will do that but the poll being secret promotes individual judgement which is good. 

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This competition has been an utter travesty. It demonstrates two things:

1. Advertising the Final Poll hurts the quality of the competition by bringing in voters who just don't care about design.
2. Making the polls secret is, and has always been, a huge mistake.

Let me talk about the second point. In the second season, polls weren't secret. So, you knew which cards were doing well and which cards you needed to discuss in the finals. A winner didn't just sneak up on you like Pepe did. People whined and complained about people ganging up on certain cards, but that is just people who don't want to defend the card of their choice from criticism. The entire point of these poll discussion is to criticize cards so we can decide which one deserves to win. It takes a lot more effort to do that when you don't know which of the 20 cards are legitimate contenders. For example, this week, I didn't direct any attention to Pepe because I thought no one was voting for it. And the poll topic confirmed that because basically no one was giving it any positive feedback besides for its art. 

If this poll had not been secret, we here could have seen the alarming voting trend for Pepe and moved to address it. This could have allowed people to re-think their voting in light of the fact that is was an actual contender. But more importantly, it would have allowed us to know we needed to actually discuss it. It would also show people who are coming here with no knowledge of the design competition what cards we here think are the best. Maybe if some of these no-nothings who came in saw that Wolpertinger was getting so many votes would have stopped to read it and see what we were saying about it instead of mindlessly just voting for their favorite WoW pet.

In summary, I am still pissed that the mods made the polls secret, especially since it ended up ruining the first theme I got to choose. Thanks a lot, all you jerks who wanted secret polls. I hope your happy with trolls giving you a sneak torpedo of this week's competition.

 I can understand your misfeelings, mine had been torpedoed by Blizzard who announced new cards the same week...
BUT your week was a good week. Good finalists, good discussions and a really great second place winner.
The fakt that the actual winner wins sneaky by cuteness does hurt less than your rage does to the good feeling of this week.
Please hold back a bit. I for myself see the points of open finals and secret finals, but prefere the secret versions, cause ganging up leaves a really bad feeling afterwards and another point is that in close fights it would lead into temptation for cheating.