If you want to suggest a nerf, don't suggest a direct nerf - suggest a tech card that interrupts it, like how Skulking Geist works.
Something like a minion with battlecry: Hero powers cost 2 more this game, or minion with text "Both players can only play one card each turn," or "Spells in both players hands cost 10 mana." Stuff like that. Not saying those ideas are good or balanced, but that's how you make a good change.
You have Mindbreaker but there's so many ways to remove him it's not even funny.
its not like mindbreaker is the one and only card that can ever exist to tech against razakus priest
edit: why is it that no one gets the fucking point of my posts, am i taking crazy pills??? this thread is about SUGGESTIONS TO NERF RAZA/DK not "PLEASE LIST TECH CARDS FOR RAZA" the way to nerf a card is not to directly nerf it, but to give alternative options, especially if the card itself is not broken.
How bout a 4/7 for 6 that reads whenever your opponent uses their hero power the cost of their next hero power increases by 2. Hard to remove for priest at that point. Or perhaps a card that has an effect that says, "Until the end of your next turn when a player uses a hero power they take 5 damage".
Edit: Not that I think we need anything necessarily to specifically counter Anduin. I would much prefer cards that naturally empower deck types that also naturally counter anduin. Well that isn't entirely true since the biggest type of deck of that sort is aggro and I hate aggro.
That is actually pretty insane, and only makes sense in the context of cards that change or refresh a hero power. It shouldn't be that specific or that strong.
It is pretty specific, well at least the first example is. It's a bit on the nose perhaps. Though to be frank I didn't think they'd make tech cards like this till I saw the new 4/6 eat all 1 mana spells. That was pretty on the nose too. I think it wouldn't be too bad though if you made the effect symmetrical so it affected both players.
The second example is a one off effect perhaps off a creature or spell that goes away. Which makes it not too powerful and not to on the nose. Considering we just got a bunch of legendaries that change hero powers, getting another card other than mindbreaker that dissuades the use of hero powers in someway doesn't seem all that out of the question.
Oh I also wanted to point out that the first effect isn't cumulative. It would just increase the cost by 2 for only the next one. So the next one would cost four and the one after that would only cost 4 again if used. With Raza it would cost 2, then 2 again and so on and so forth.
It is pretty specific, well at least the first example is. It's a bit on the nose perhaps. Though to be frank I didn't think they'd make tech cards like this till I saw the new 4/6 eat all 1 mana spells. That was pretty on the nose too. I think it wouldn't be too bad though if you made the effect symmetrical so it affected both players.
The second example is a one off effect perhaps off a creature or spell that goes away. Which makes it not too powerful and not to on the nose. Considering we just got a bunch of legendaries that change hero powers, getting another card other than mindbreaker that dissuades the use of hero powers in someway doesn't seem all that out of the question.
I mean....Skulking Geist likely was in response to Jade Idol, but its worded generically enough to have multiple applications (such as deck thinning yourself in the midgame, and ensuring you aren't going to be Potion of Madness'd).
Bear with me here, but an already existing and kind of hilarious counter to Razakus machine gun is Mayor Noggenfogger.
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It is pretty specific, well at least the first example is. It's a bit on the nose perhaps. Though to be frank I didn't think they'd make tech cards like this till I saw the new 4/6 eat all 1 mana spells. That was pretty on the nose too. I think it wouldn't be too bad though if you made the effect symmetrical so it affected both players.
The second example is a one off effect perhaps off a creature or spell that goes away. Which makes it not too powerful and not to on the nose. Considering we just got a bunch of legendaries that change hero powers, getting another card other than mindbreaker that dissuades the use of hero powers in someway doesn't seem all that out of the question.
I mean....Skulking Geist likely was in response to Jade Idol, but its worded generically enough to have multiple applications (such as deck thinning yourself in the midgame, and ensuring you aren't going to be Potion of Madness'd).
Bear with me here, but an already existing and kind of hilarious counter to Razakus machine gun is Mayor Noggenfogger.
Ha, that is true. It's just that, no one is gonna run him as Razakus priest doens't warrant such an extreme counter, and now we have come full circle, Razakus priest just doesn't need much of a counter right now cause it isn't as oppressive as everyone thinks.
God dammit! It's a good control deck with a good win condition! Stop f'ing complaining! Youre having a hard time playing your aggro bulls**t so you're crying?? Deal with it, learn to use your head and play control
It is pretty specific, well at least the first example is. It's a bit on the nose perhaps. Though to be frank I didn't think they'd make tech cards like this till I saw the new 4/6 eat all 1 mana spells. That was pretty on the nose too. I think it wouldn't be too bad though if you made the effect symmetrical so it affected both players.
The second example is a one off effect perhaps off a creature or spell that goes away. Which makes it not too powerful and not to on the nose. Considering we just got a bunch of legendaries that change hero powers, getting another card other than mindbreaker that dissuades the use of hero powers in someway doesn't seem all that out of the question.
I mean....Skulking Geist likely was in response to Jade Idol, but its worded generically enough to have multiple applications (such as deck thinning yourself in the midgame, and ensuring you aren't going to be Potion of Madness'd).
Bear with me here, but an already existing and kind of hilarious counter to Razakus machine gun is Mayor Noggenfogger.
Ha, that is true. It's just that, no one is gonna run him as Razakus priest doens't warrant such an extreme counter, and now we have come full circle, Razakus priest just doesn't need much of a counter right now cause it isn't as oppressive as everyone thinks.
This just gave me an idea for a combo in Wild.
Recruiter -> make a bunch of 1 mana 2/2s
Emperor -> make them all cost zero
Drop Noggenfogger and a bunch of zero cost 2/2s
?????
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Ha, that is true. It's just that, no one is gonna run him as Razakus priest doens't warrant such an extreme counter, and now we have come full circle, Razakus priest just doesn't need much of a counter right now cause it isn't as oppressive as everyone thinks.
This just gave me an idea for a combo in Wild.
Recruiter -> make a bunch of 1 mana 2/2s
Emperor -> make them all cost zero
Drop Noggenfogger and a bunch of zero cost 2/2s
?????
Or you just run Recruiter and Emperor without Noggenfogger in your highlander priest and use the recruiters tokens to fuel your machine gun forever...
Ha, that is true. It's just that, no one is gonna run him as Razakus priest doens't warrant such an extreme counter, and now we have come full circle, Razakus priest just doesn't need much of a counter right now cause it isn't as oppressive as everyone thinks.
This just gave me an idea for a combo in Wild.
Recruiter -> make a bunch of 1 mana 2/2s
Emperor -> make them all cost zero
Drop Noggenfogger and a bunch of zero cost 2/2s
?????
Or you just run Recruiter and Emperor without Noggenfogger in your highlander priest and use the recruiters tokens to fuel your machine gun forever...
I'm talking about fun memes dude. Back off.
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the current problem with the deck right now is the ability to burst you from 32 only using 3 cards after raza+ anduin. and the FACT that the bigger the card pool is the stronger are singletons/highlander decks.
So I expect razakus priest to be god tier next expansion unless they give priest warlock level of terrible cards or another "druid" appears.
think the deck while oppressove to an extend HAS counter play and stuff you can do that matter.
the current problem with the deck right now is the ability to burst you from 32 only using 3 cards after raza+ anduin. and the FACT that the bigger the card pool is the stronger are singletons/highlander decks.
So I expect razakus priest to be god tier next expansion unless they give priest warlock level of terrible cards or another "druid" appears.
think the deck while oppressove to an extend HAS counter play and stuff you can do that matter.
I think this is a fair fear to have. Razakus is very strong now. Giving priest even better spells or creatures could be pretty disastrous. What three cards are you talking about by the way? If you mean Velen, Mindblast, Holy Smite that doesn't quite work out. That is 2+4+10+4+4+4 = 28. Also that is a 5 card combo essentially in a singleton deck. I play priest a lot, I rarely get that combo, very rarely. I can't imagine it's too common now which is the biggest reason why it's not broken now. However if priest get even better nukes or generators it could get pretty nasty. We'll have to wait and see. If priest ever does get to far out of hand it'll get nerfed eventually, it just isn't there at the moment.
The issue isn't countering Razakus per se, but countering Razakus with a deck that won't blow against every other archetype I think. Out of the cards you mentioned Dirty Rat is the only one that see's constructed play currently.
Oh and I am just playing devils advocate. Obviously.
If your deck has no duplicates, reduce the cost of your hero power to (0).
Implying that it works only on your current hero power - that would not affect decks that swap out hero powers. That way you would have to choose if you want to drop him on curve for body/heal spam to survive or hold onto him to enable the minigun.
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God dammit! It's a good control deck with a good win condition! Stop f'ing complaining! Youre having a hard time playing your aggro bulls**t so you're crying?? Deal with it, learn to use your head and play control
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the current problem with the deck right now is the ability to burst you from 32 only using 3 cards after raza+ anduin. and the FACT that the bigger the card pool is the stronger are singletons/highlander decks.
So I expect razakus priest to be god tier next expansion unless they give priest warlock level of terrible cards or another "druid" appears.
think the deck while oppressove to an extend HAS counter play and stuff you can do that matter.
There are currently a lot of ways to screw up Razakus Priest. The deck relies on:
So ways you can screw them up:
Be creative, yall.
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You're going to have bad matchups no matter what deck you play. If a deck was ever favored against the entire meta, it would be nerfed pretty quickly.
FYI Razakus Priest isn't good against some current top decks (that aren't Quest Mage btw). Not to mention the multiple other weaknesses of the deck.
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What about:
If your deck has no duplicates, reduce the cost of your hero power to (0).
Implying that it works only on your current hero power - that would not affect decks that swap out hero powers. That way you would have to choose if you want to drop him on curve for body/heal spam to survive or hold onto him to enable the minigun.
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This thread makes me sad. You guys are better than this.
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this deck is better than mine, nerf it! BabyRage
even if blizzard nerf something they wouldnt nerf DK cause DK is a "ok" card without raza, and raza/kazakus are rotating out very soon