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Quote from Slain >>

How much draw is to much draw?

The problem i see for this card is that nobody will cut UI for this, nobody will Cut Nourish for this so question remains if you realy need a 5th mass draw card in your druid deck.

Id say this card will propably shine when UI is rotating out, as for now there is no need for more card draw in druid.

This is a different beast compared to UI and this goes pretty well with Nourish.. This assures that you are getting your combo pieces. Maly, Azalina & Toggwaggle, Aviana & Kun in Wild. This potentialy can get your combo pieces before reaching 10 mana and execute it while you need to have 10 mana for UI. The thing is Druid's combo decks are often non-interactable once they get key pieces you're can't do anything about it. These are also top tier decks as well and it doesn't need pieces at this power level... Tutor cards are always dangerous specially in a card game at this format. This I think is the type of card that is unhealthy for the meta..

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People calling this 4 mana draw 4 are hilarious. Im sure a 7 mana 6/6 draw 3, a direct powercreep in stats AND effect to a card that was nerfed would see play. But guess what, I have literally never seen Countess Ashmore played against me. Not even once. Please tell me, what 10 drop minion does Druid play? Are you going to be teching fucking Tyrantus into your decks just for this card? How about 7 drops? Ancient of War making a comeback for the first time in a year or so? What if you draw your Lich King, the only 8 drop that Druid plays? Oh yeah, maybe you add Splintergraft to your deck. Seems like a good strategy. 

Like yes, this card is decent, and will be good in Big Druid. Big Druid has never and will never really be a t1 deck because of how inconsistent it is by design. But sure, this will be strong in that deck. Maybe it sees play in Maly for consistency. But calling this 4 mana draw 4 is so ridiculously disingenuous and dense that only the Hearthstone community could come up with it. There is a huge downside with this card, honestly I would be somewhat suprised if it ever sees the light of day outside of a high tier 3-low tier 2 deck.  

Edit: I realized my assertions about no 8 drops doesn't work in taunt Druid, but then again you aren't playing this card just to ruin your Master Oakheart, are you?

Countess Ashmore is much more conditional. Very limited draws and you have to include cards with specific abilities. Same goes for Oakheart it is a different beast. However, this card is 4 mana and nets you card advantage. This will help you draw your combo piece and finishers consistently... Saying that druid has bad 7,9,10 drops doesn't make the card bad it simply means that Druid has mediocre late game drops. For sure this will affect the future design of other cards. Tutoring for your finishers and combo piece make this scary. I guess the issue here is druid is strong enough as it is and still its given unfair cards..

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All the pro players see combo.  I see Quest support.  This is why I'm #neverlegend.

It's not even combo since it is a powerful stand alone card... You just ramp and curve out not much skill and strategy invovled.
You can do T1 Biology Project, T2 Melon, T3 Nourish, T4 start dropping bombs.

Serously? Druid is getting another broken spell... 4 mana draw 4? Druid must be blizz favorite class.. Druid have the most powerful and versatile spells in HS. UI? Branching Paths? Spreading Plague? Oaken summons? and then this? WTF..

 Edit: Forgot about the Biology Project too.. another broken card..

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I don't think the card is bad.  I do think its 'playable', but I think people are missing the bigger picture.  Will this make Warrior good enough to compete against the other good decks already?

All the classes that are good are getting more cards, so they are potentially only going to get better or stay the same.  Warrior has to improve alot to have a chance.

I am not talking about competitive, just ladder itself.

 Well obviously this card is the value card CW need late game. Now with this card and 1 deadman hand it is very hard to outvalue the deck in late game now. The CW main weakness is still the explosive Cube Combo kind of decks that this card is not an answer too. This is the part we hopefully need more support from this expansion to cover it.

 Still A bit iffy, when compared to other ctrl finishers like Jaina, Guldan & Hagatha and Shudder/Hadro shenanigans, Boom sounds a bit inconsistent. I think what warrior needs is a more consistent closer than him. 

Around 85% thinks this is a meta defining/very good card.. Am I missing something? This card seems bad. @ turn you play him he doesn't even do anything to influence the board? Also good mechs doesn't make this card good too.. good mechs are good mechs regardless of the battlecry IMO..

Current meta might not be the best but it far from the worst... Leeroy meta, combo druid, undertaker hunter, face  meta (hunter and eboladin), secret paladin was waaaay worse.

Tech cards are always replacable.. That being said, I dont think pirates will entirely go away after the nerf & also I dont think that a hyena is a great fit on this deck. If you're not facing many pirate decks you can swap the Gollakkas, but getting hyena big early on is as conditional. You do not have many supporting tools (more 1drop beasts, Unleash The Hounds, Tundra Rhino, Token generating beasts) to make hyena threatening and it makes your t2 play a bit weaker. 2/2 for 2 is just underwhelming and your other 2 drops options arent that great either. 

Not sure if trolling but I'll bite, seriously this is probably the worst class and deck archtype to put Prince Keleseth on. Firstl you have to sacrifice a lot of great cards on 2 spot, Excecutes, War Axe, Armorsmiths, Sleep with the Fishes and possibly Slam and +1/+1 on all minions doesn't do much on a ctrl deck. It goes well with a more aggressive deck type like buffadin along with cheap card draws like Small-time Recruits and Divine Favor.

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 Clutch mother, most discolock lists don't use her.

 

 Agree with most of your advice but am surprised by this one.  I thought clutchmother was in most discolock decks.  They don't use the quest but clutchmother is great.  I play discolock and would never take her out of it.

 

Quote from Buzz1126 >>

This card doesn’t seem nearly as good as people are making it out to be. It’ll fit in a niche druid deck. Maybe wild, don’t know don’t care, but it won’t be worth a slot in standard

 

How many of y’all complaining actually have the Golden druid portrait? My guess is none. 

 I have all hero golden and play card games like this for years.

Undercosted, heavy and especific card draw is busted in any of them.

Some cards really can't work as expected and some card like Keleseth can surprise but this one is the new CtA, it is obvious that is beyound the broken level in the spot, we don't wrong here, you and everyone don't see how much busted this card is are.

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Around 85% thinks this is a meta defining/very good card.. Am I missing something? This card seems bad. @ turn you play him he doesn't even do anything to influence the board? Also good mechs doesn't make this card good too.. good mechs are good mechs regardless of the battlecry IMO..

 You are missing the Reckless Flurry combo. I didn't see this magnifficent combo either and was promptly called a rank 20 player. 

So... They must be on to somthing right?

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I already explained why 2/3 is better than 3/2 to control the board against aggro so I'm not going to explain myself again.

The thing is that you don't have to waste a resource to use this because the reason to include this card is not to abuse it always, it's to have the option of doing it sometimes.

I think the problem is that people don't see why this card can be good because they never used [card]Youthful Brewmaster[/card] because of the problems I explained and now can't imagine how good the effect of having a [card]Youthful Brewmaster[/card] when you want it is.

I'm not saying that this card is amazing, I'm saying that it has constructed potential and is being dismissed too soon.

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No one seems to get it...
The problem of [card]Youthful Brewmaster[/card] is that some times you don't want his effect but you want to play him for his body in early game. However you can't because it would ruin you against aggro because his effect would trigger and take away another minion that you want to stay on the board.

This card doesn't have that problem!!! When you need his body you have it, when you need his effect to trigger you will have it too! This card is a much more flexible [card]Youthful Brewmaster[/card] ! (And also in this meta a 2/3 trades much better than a 3/2.)

Maybe that flexibility it's what a card with this effect needs to be played. This is actually a great card that is being understimated by most of the community. I don't know if it will be a constucted card, but it's really close. So close that it might actually be constructed playable.

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Moroes will be more useful than Malechazaar. Funny because Malechezaar is rated waaay better. He is an aoe bait or punishes players if they don't have an AoE. He is essentially a free paladin button press. The only problem is Warriors are very popular and they have access to tons of whirlwind effects but all in all he is okay. As long as you don't over extend getting AoE'd would not be as bad.

 Malchezaar is completely unplayable 

 Just like Moroes, right? You don't know that.

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We're gonna be rich!

Greetings, Deckbuilders! This week on The Cygnus Guide to Deckbuilding we did a special episode on crafting priorities and how to identify what decks to make using the free cards you get by making a new account during the Whispers of the Old Gods release.

In the video we actually start a new account and disenchant/craft cards to make viable decks based on what we already have, including a basic C'thun Druid, Midrange Hunter, and Enrage/Tempo Warrior.

If you see any new players seeking crafting and deckbuilding advice, please forward the link along to them!

4:45 - What cards did we start with?
13:17 - Choosing your first classes.
14:07 - Disenchanting spree!!
23:50 - 5 Cards EVERY beginner should have.
29:40 - First Druid Deck
34:20 - First Hunter Deck
38:10 - First Warrior Deck
42:47 - Adventures & Other Class Priorities

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Learn to play around it. 

 Please Thrall-senpai teach me how to get lucky and draw my answers by turn 3-4.

 For an actual answer, there is Deadly Shot for Hunters, and Shadow Word: Death for Priests.

 B-but those are Hunter and Priest cards, this doesn't help, please teach me how to play around the mulligan and card draw, I'm sure you know how to deal with those non interactive aspects of the game.

Oh also Execute, an activator (minion or spell) aren't enough, I also need a Fiery War Axe for the Tunnel Troggs, I'm sure with your mulligan and draw skills you can help me.

This forum would be so much better if people only stopped responding to these dumb threads... Its obvious the card doesn't need a nerf, its obvious that whoever creates these threads are just plain dumb and have no idea what they're talking about, yet people really have to respond, for some reason. Why not just let these threads die?

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It's okay to craft tgt cards legendaries like Gormok, Justicar. The next expansion that will rotate out is BRM.