I run a much more passive list, without any late game threats other than 1xArcane Giant (and Garrosh DK). Currently undefeated by Jade Druids, but that would certainly not be the case without Geist, and I don't see how one would justify not running it in this deck. But hey, if it works for you, great. I do suspect it won't do well against "good" druid players though. I rest my case.
With the addition of Skulking Geist you could beat the BEST and most popular deck 60% of the time. Seems like a nobrainer. Not sure what you meant by "Druids have not much taunts", cause you listed them all afterwards...? And with Spreading Plague, your N'Zoth is easily countered. You can definitely improve your WR by playing smart with coldlights, but in my experience Geist is a necessary evil.
You might be right but the last days of the season I faced more Pirate Warriors, Aggro Druids and even Hunters, which might be the same meta we will now see at the start of the season.
However, when I played against Jade Druid I never missed the Skulking Geist.
For those among you who want that card in this deck I can only see Arcane Giant beeing replaced by it - all other cards are mandatory for your engines (see guide). Not sure if that's worth it, though.
Without Skulking Geist you'll still lose against Jade Druid. They will just shuffle a bunch of Idols into their deck, thus denying fatigue. N'Zoth is great, but summoning several 10/10s every turn will still win.
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You have to get Burgly Bully on the board. Then, if your opponent never gives you The Coin you can only win if you save 2 secrets from the Hydrologist AND are on The Coin with going second. This means you will not get any value of the Hydrologist, it's just a 2/2 body since your secrets are dead cards in your hand.
Also Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card EVERY game until the you finally meet the requirements of the OTK - which still - is not for 100% sure.
Comparing this to the requirements for the Apandalypse OTK it should be clear which deck is more consistent.
well if you have the coin you have an advantage so lest say 50% of time
beardo is as useless as the 4 cards you have to keep to win the game
burgly is probably going to give you at least one coin if not more and is a good card on its own compared to the 4 perfectly dead card on your deck
and your combo is easily predictable compared to beardo + you will very likely not find the 4 horses each turn different from the others , its a considerable wast of time
i tested the deck in casual i hardly win with the otk
"50% of the time", "probably" are no arguments for consistency.
"predictable combo" - well, Uther of the Ebon Blade is a well known card, so the combo does not have any suprise effect, especially with the Auctionmaster Beardo version posted on every HS site as top tier deck. If there is a surprise factor (which will not win you the game) then with this version, because the pandaren way is not that known (yet).
To the point finding the horsemen: you only bounce back one of each horsemen and you only need 3 of them in hand. I agree that there is a RNG factor getting 3 different hosemen and actually that is - and it might sound wierd - good. If there was no RNG factor creating the horsemen then this deck would be way to OP. Moreover, you also can use Brewmasters as plain stat bodies or bouncing back value minions (see deck description). Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card in hand the whole game.
This leaves us with your tests in casual. This is a ranked deck, so you need to do tests in a ranked enviroment. Also you did not mention how many games you played in casual. This could be one, two or five times. This deck was played over 50x on ranked mode on EU, Asia and NA servers and always had a winrate high enough to climb with it.
I absolutely understand the deck:D you probably brewmaster back the 4 horsemen to your hand, because otherwise you can't otk, otherwise its a good control deck, but not an exodia otk one :D
You only need to bounce 3 different horsemen, the 4th brewmaster is in because.. well just read the deck description ;)
You have to get Burgly Bully on the board. Then, if your opponent never gives you The Coin you can only win if you save 2 secrets from the Hydrologist AND are on The Coin with going second. This means you will not get any value of the Hydrologist, it's just a 2/2 body since your secrets are dead cards in your hand.
Also Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card EVERY game until the you finally meet the requirements of the OTK - which still - is not for 100% sure.
Comparing this to the requirements for the Apandalypse OTK it should be clear which deck is more consistent.
Hi Leolph, does Bolvar important in this deck? Any replacement?
Yes, today I played this deck on Asia and there I don't have Bolvar, Fireblood. I took a Tainted Zealot and also won all 5 games for the paladin quest (the extra spell power is quite handy with Consecration, combined with a Dark Conviction is a nice "small" board clear in most cases).
The brewmasters juggle your 2/2s back to your hand so you can then play 3 of them + hero power for the finish. It's a lot slower than the Auctionneer, but it doesn't require your opponent to give you 2 coins or to get 1 2/2 to stick on the field. Overall, I think it's too slow as there are 4 cards that are substandard in this deck and only help you get your finisher which takes at least 4 turns since you're likely to get duplicates from your hero power.
You have to get Burgly Bully on the board. Then, if your opponent never gives you The Coin you can only win if you save 2 secrets from the Hydrologist AND are on The Coin with going second. This means you will not get any value of the Hydrologist, it's just a 2/2 body since your secrets are dead cards in your hand.
Also Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card EVERY game until the you finally meet the requirements of the OTK - which still - is not for 100% sure.
Comparing this to your arguments it should be clear which deck is more consistent.
Don't you risk bouncing back the same horseman multiple times ?
You can see it as a risk or see it as an advantage: your opponent has to track which ones you bounced, if he does not, he always has to invest ressourced to kill the generated horseman.
how is it more consistent if you dont have your win condition in your deck?
Not understanding the deck is one reason to downvote. Well, your comment was upvoted the same amount the deck was downvoted and that tells us so much. Nothing more to say here.
Looking at Treachery you could also use it with a card like Keening Banshee to mill even more cards if successful but I don't know what it could be swapped with.
Oh, I forgot about the Keening Banshee, thanks for the tipp, but like Maxthetic said you would mill yourself 3 cards and that's a lot of ressources. Not sure if it's worth it.
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However, when I played against Jade Druid I never missed the Skulking Geist.
For those among you who want that card in this deck I can only see Arcane Giant beeing replaced by it - all other cards are mandatory for your engines (see guide). Not sure if that's worth it, though.
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"predictable combo" - well, Uther of the Ebon Blade is a well known card, so the combo does not have any suprise effect, especially with the Auctionmaster Beardo version posted on every HS site as top tier deck. If there is a surprise factor (which will not win you the game) then with this version, because the pandaren way is not that known (yet).
To the point finding the horsemen: you only bounce back one of each horsemen and you only need 3 of them in hand. I agree that there is a RNG factor getting 3 different hosemen and actually that is - and it might sound wierd - good. If there was no RNG factor creating the horsemen then this deck would be way to OP. Moreover, you also can use Brewmasters as plain stat bodies or bouncing back value minions (see deck description). Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card in hand the whole game.
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What's your definition of exodia?
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Also Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card EVERY game until the you finally meet the requirements of the OTK - which still - is not for 100% sure.
Comparing this to the requirements for the Apandalypse OTK it should be clear which deck is more consistent.
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Also Auctionmaster Beardo is a dead card EVERY game until the you finally meet the requirements of the OTK - which still - is not for 100% sure.
Comparing this to your arguments it should be clear which deck is more consistent.
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Well, your comment was upvoted the same amount the deck was downvoted and that tells us so much.
Nothing more to say here.
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I'll add Apandalypse OTK, Paladin Exodia very good, especially against Jade Druids.
In this deck you do not rely on Auctionmaster Beardo and pray for coins of Burgly Bully, it's more consistent.
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