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We are both basically playing since the beginning of HS, maybe the second month of competitive play. Nothing else special. Just play the game, do dailies and don't spend on things you don't really need. That is all there is to it.

 4 out of 5 fantastic at ~10K dust! Give the Blizzard sales guy a fantastic bonus this year please!

Hi all,

To start off with a bit of background about myself, I've played Hearthstone since ~July 2014 and have maintained a F2P account. Ever since ~July 2016 I've consistently tried doing some F2P challenges where I limit the dust cost of my decks (which generally means only commons/rares and no adventures) to see how the new player experience is like. With the recent trends in expansion releases and top-performing meta decks, Hearthstone is becoming alarmingly expensive and unwelcoming to new players. I think it's something the community should be tracking and be aware of if they care about the longevity of the game. I put together some of my thoughts on stream yesterday and welcome feedback from the rest of the community!

Cheers and Happy New Year!

-LOKShadow

Not sure about legend rank but definitely rank 5 after upgrades! Thanks for the support :)

Just as an update to the thread. The first list I managed to hit rank 5 with is paladin but ended up having to upgrade it with 4 rare cards to compete against all the legendary-card-back players with their fully-loaded tier 1 decks.

Rank 5 proof and decklist

Here is the pre-upgraded list and the upgrade substitutions are listed in the description

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Proof that just adding 4 rares makes the world of difference in a deck (went from stuck at rank 10 to climbing quickly to rank 5), and unfortunately it was necessary based on how stacked the meta is with tier 1 decks.

Rank 5 achieved

 Congrats? My point was you should make a deck that doesn't die to Hunter/Mage spam with the least amount of advanced mechanics as possible. Getting to Rank 5 doesn't mean much because the majority of players on ladder aren't really that good to be honest. If you are a strong veteran player, you should be able to take it to most people even with a bad "deck" as long as you understand how to play around the meta decks that everyone just copies. So once again, rank doesn't mean much. Focus on what it takes to get a new player acclimated to the game and to rank 15 quickly since the ladder at the start is a lot different than the middle of the ladder. 

An old quote from the F2P OTK Warrior guide to reiterate my goals here:

Thank you all for the upvotes and feedback! Really happy to see a lot of new (and old) players benefiting from the cheap deck. Of course, I also see that many people are struggling, which is to be expected. I just want to make perfectly clear that a cheap deck does not mean easy-to-play or even "beginner-friendly." Why do I advertise it as F2P then? Well, it is F2P in the sense that you can pretty much craft the deck within a few hours of a fresh account. That means anybody can have access to it. The success of the player is then not limited to their card collection but by their skill, which is how I think the game should be. It also exposes new players to the depth of the game which may not be as obvious when you play face decks or curve decks like tempo warrior, c'thun druid, midrange hunter, etc. Although these other decks are much easier to play and are less punishing for misplays than combo decks, the sense of reward for playing a more complex deck is just on another level. This is naturally the case with any deck like miracle rogue or freeze mage that runs a lot of card cycle. Having more options and cards means more complex scenarios/decision-making than decks that naturally fall into play-the-topdecked-card-because-I-have-no-card-draw-and-rely-on-luck-to-get-my-curve-all-the-time-and-win-games-and-I-will-now-BM-emote-all-the-time-to-prove-that-I'm-not-a-bot-because-honestly-a-bot-could-play-the-deck-that-I'm-playing.

I will try to test out an "upgraded" version of this list and get some videos up.

You can definitely put it in! I would say all the <4 drops are non-core cards and you can substitute one of those.

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Amaz has a great tutorial on this, and prepared decks for each class here on Hearthpwn. I found them very useful when introducing friends to a game. It's for Basic cards only though.

 Yes, sort of what Trump or Sheng did, I used to run those decks in my early days. When new players graduate from basic-only, they can upgrade to these ones, and then... Come to think of it, what about a tiered challenge? Meaning, when new-ish players will be ready to go beyond Plebstone, it's still a long way up to full meta decks (for most classes, at least). I bet they could use some, say,  intermediate lists. It could be something like this:

• Tier 0: Basic-only (done)
• Tier 1: Plebstone (in progress, mostly done)
• Tier 2: Not-so-pleb-stone... guess different criteria could be used here. Maybe allow for a limited number of rares (2? 4?), or set a dust cost limit (1200? 1500?)
• Tier 3: TBD, if needed. Could be smthg like tier 2 but with somewhat higher limits... or perhaps at this point "formerly new" players will be able to manage by themselves ;)

Python, my man!

Personally, I'm a fan of using secrets. I need my champion to be cryptographically strong.

import secrets
print(secrets.choice(range(1,17))

While I agree that the new players may have a really tough time, it is also one of the reasons why Standard was introduced.

Old expansions are rotated and soon even more would have. So being a veteran now gives a very little expansion advantage than for example if you played wild.

All and all I see your point, and I didn't mean to insult anyone, however if you just play the game, get 50-60g per day+your daily and spend it on arena or just waiting and building essentials I think you can have 1-2 of the best meta decks. Of course there are always decks like cube warlocks that are a nightmare to craft, even I didn't do it :)

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I haven't had any success with embedding Twitch clips on Hearthpwn either...

Substitutions:

First Option, Zoolock Version:

-2 Friendly Bartender, -2 Drain Soul, -2 Dire Wolf Alpha, -1 Stubborn Gastropod, +1 Patches, the Pirate, +1 Prince Keleseth, +2 Blood Corsair, +2 Vicious Fledgling, +1 Saronite Chain Gang 

-2 Blastcrystal Potion +2 Despicable Dreadlord

-1 Dread Infernal, -2 Abyssal Enforcer, +2 Bonemare, +1 Bloodreaver Gul'dan

-2 Shadowbolt, +2 Defender of Argus

Second Option, Demonlock:

-1 Cobalt Scalebane, +1 Elise, the Trailblaizer/Doomguard/Skulking Geist/Sunwalker

-2 Blastcrystal Potion, -2 Hellfire, -2 Dark Iron Dwarf +1 Prince Valanaar, +2 Tar Creeper, +2 Doomsayer, +1 Gluttonous Ooze

-1 Stubborn Gastropod, +1 The Lich King/Lord Jaraxxus/Abyssal Enforcer

-2 Darkshire Councilman + 2 Twisting Nether

-2 Friendly Bartender +2 Defile

Happened to stumble on Plebstone decks couple days ago, loved the concept, and glad to see it's receiving more visibility.

Props to authors (of decks and article)!

 Nice to see articles like this, thanks LOKShadow.

Nice to see that some people are doing this sort of thing to help new players or players that play on a budget, good job. :)

Hey Lok. I just wanted to drop a few words about "Plebstone". I believe it's a great idea. I'll try and explain why I think it is nice to see experienced players trying to give something for the newcomers to this game.

I started playing Hearthstone about a year and a half ago, after WotOG came out. After struggling as a beginner, I was close to give up on the game, until I came across your OTK worgen Warrior on this very sire. Even if it was for me as a beginner a difficult challenge to navigate it correctly, I really enjoyed playing it for as long as it lasted. Reaching rank 12 was at that time a great success to me.  After that, I wanted to try more decks, so I inevitably became a p2w on my main account (EU). Even though I like challenging decks, the "need" to climb fast (a mistake for sure), drove me to play most of the time Tier 1 decks and I think for quite some time, I didn't really enjoyed playing Hearthstone. Since KFT came out, I have been trying your new decks. On my main account, I could afford to play the Warlock deck and had some really fun games with it. But since I don' t have many cards on NA and A, I thought I would follow the challenge. NA was the arena playing ground account, so I had the dust to make the Mage and Priest decks. I have to say that I'm having a blast navigating the decks, and mainly this Priest deck (8 -2 so far), from rank 25 to Rank 14. I know rank 14 doesn't say much, but the feeling beating Tempo Rogue and Zoolock with Prince 2, Handlock, Murloc Paladin and Jade Druid is amazing.

I know I wrote far too much, but I think that these decks should get some attention, so that new players can see that they can have a great HS experience with only basic cards, while learning the aspects of the game. 

Keep the good work man.

Hey just made an account to share my success so far with this deck, currently 14-1 and rank 12 ( highest i achieved on my career ). liked the deck alot, ty for sharing it 

idk how to add an image /: here´s the link to my wins http://prntscr.com/gbc3bg