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Hmm. Perhaps then it is the combination of Control Warrior and Control Shaman doing the work of keeping it vaguely undercontrol.
I can imagine that nullifying cards like Dyn-o-matic as MH uses so many mechs, is pretty strong.
Mech Paladin's healing makes sense for versus Mech Hunter.
I don't know what Party Rogue is either in fairness. :-D
It sounds fun.... it probably isn't... lol
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There are only so many ways a control deck in HS can operate:
One thing all these decks have in common is that they all have generated a lot of hate posts and nerf requests. As much as HS community like to label control as skillful and other archetypes as "Braindead", "Uninteractive" or "Curvestone", they also don't like playing against a powerful control deck.
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I think most of these are overshooting and don't really contribute to making Wild or Standard better. It reads more like a "cards I hate the most". In Wild, a bunch of these are not even all that good or popular.
Regardless, I'm sick and tired of talking about nerfs on a regular basis, and I am equally sick of explaining for the umpieth time why I think swinging the nerf hammer should be saved for emergencies, instead of being the go-to solution for any balance issues.
Just to touch a few:
Contrary to what some people think, Jade Idol is not all that good in Wild, and rarely goes infinite. The only deck that really loses to the infinte shuffling is Odd Warrior. Every other deck can use or already uses Skulking Geist, or simply won't care about your golems. At this point, nerfing Jade Idol has more symbolic than practical value,
The nerfs to Odd Paladin would most likely kill the deck. I don't think that's necessary, since there are plenty of ways to deal with it, and the card that mainly keeps the deck alive is Never Surrender!. Also, Quartermaster is not an "OTK/TTK" card.
Tunnel Trogg, Darkshire Councilman, Ragnaros and even Ship's Cannon barely even appear in the mode anymore. This could certainly change again, but I don't see a need to intervene at this point. If you really wanted to shake up the meta, you should go for Loatheb.
I think the balancing of Big Priest should happen on a systematic level (neutral transform effects, cancelling resurrection, etc.) instead of delaying its gameplan for a few turns. Increasing the cost of Barnes and Eternal Servitude might push it out of the meta a bit more, but the way it is set up, it would still beat almost all slower decks out there.
The cards I would sort of agree with are Flamewreathed Faceless (wich would be fair as a 4: 6/6 or 6/7), Voidcaller for 5, and maybe Deathstalker Rexxar, though again not a card that is really all that problematic. Bloodbloom... maybe as well, though I haven't seen anyone try this stuff in a while, since people have come to realize how inconsistent it is, and that you can still get countered even if you live the dream.
In Standard, I would maybe agree to Dr. Boom, Mad Genius, but only because the potential Armor gain is too big, making it a game-changer in many matchups. If Team5 really wants new control decks to emerge in Standard, and not have the meta be "Garrosh Hellscream vs. the World" they have to come up with something else but nerfs, if they don't want to straight up kill Warrior.
With the rest, I don't have much of a problem and don't think a nerf is absolutely necessary.
On a final note, don't try to reason with "limits design space" or anything like that, especially not for Wild. It's questionable enough when developers use that excuse.
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All choose one cards are really good cards when the quest is done. Maybe not Ancient of Lore and Crystal Power (how does that work anyway, is it heal for 3? I gotta test it with Fandral Staghelm when I can), but even Tending Tauren or even Mark of Nature are good value.
we have:
I just don't know how easy it will be to get the quest done without falling behind too far. In a control meta this shouldn't be an issue, but in an aggro meta I do not think it is possible to play many of the worse choose one cards since you will be busy with keeping up the tempo, trying not to waste any mana crystals and then many of the choose one cards are not playable.
You forgot about Wardruid Loti
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Skulking Geist can handle it
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Played since beta and never even recognized those blood drops :D
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Play this turn 1 get first turn, hero power turn 2, and then play a 3 drop and a 4 drop on curve to finish the quest. Too easy
The quest condition is to NOT spend all of your mana...
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If Quests are good, this is good. Simple as that.
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Decent card, and it's nice that Shaman finally gets a new totem. Might even end up in Even Shaman: Another Totem for Thing from Below, and Lackeys can help a lot with tempo as we've seen with Rogue.
But something about it seems... I don't know, something doesn't fit here. Hey Team5, what did you have to say about Shaman's class identity again?
Weaknesses: Card draw, card generation
Nevermind.
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The second one is not discounted.
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Keleseth would have a major problem with the tempo loss. You can't run 1-drops or otherwise you are not drawing Prince Keleseth . You can't run 2 drops because of Keleseth. And on turn 3 you want to play this to draw Keleseth? Turn 4 you play a 4/4 Keleseth and Hero power and on turn 5 you get your investment back... That is so brutally slow that running keleseth is pointless.
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Not a card that will be included without any bigger plan. An arbitrary 1 drop like Argent Squire turns into a Silvermoon Guardian which never saw competitive play (4 mana 3/3 with divine shield). And other 1 drops are not good enough either. Without 1 drops, it can't really be a midrange or aggro deck and the buff's usefulness seems limited.
As others have said, maybe in a combo deck. Or control to fish Wild Pyromancer out of your deck (although equality would undo the buff anyway). But I can't really think of anything that is low cost and really wants a +2/+2 buff for a 3 mana tempo loss.
Edit: As mentioned above, Immortal Prelate might be a good enough payoff. Although you still can't run 1 drops and maybe not even 2 drops to make drawing the prelate consistent enough. I am still not convinced of this card, but this is at least something...
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They also nerfed these cards because they are classic and will always be in standard. And they where part of most decks. So now they are worse and might be replaced by other cards. Best thing would've been to rotate the classic set as a whole. But they didn't and so it has to go one card at a time by either Hof or by nerf...
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You don't draw more cards than you have in hand. At least that is what I understand from Plot Twist (card text: "Shuffle your hand into your deck. Draw that many cards"). You shuffle your hand into your deck. Augmented Elekk shuffles the same cards again into your deck. Plot twist draws you cards equal to your previous hand size.
Elekk is a nice tool to avoid fatigue. But if you have a good hand, you probably don't want to shuffle it into your deck. And if you don't have a good hand (for that matchup), you probably don't want to have the bad cards in your deck either. So I don't think Augmented Elekk is a great combo (unless it is aimed at avoiding fatigue but I expect that to be a rare issue).
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Instead of asking to rework an entire mechanic for a fringe matchup that you lost, be happy that you learned how it works and move on. That'd be easier for everyone.
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Unseen Saboteur states that the opponent casts the spell. Just to specify, the owner of the twinspell should receive the twin.
So if "he casts my twinspell", then I get the copy.
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That is pretty much what I was thinking. It is a little bit better that you can also heal your minions, but the smaller minions are harder to heal because they have little health and often just die when trading. And more important, you do not want to give up tempo just to heal them (or yourself), at least not in a deck when you want to make a powerplay on turn 5 (ideally you want to get ahead and not catch up).
Zandalari Templar didn't work out in Paladin, so I think this will not work out in Druid. Although, looking at the condition ( Crystal Stag only needs 5 health) might make it more affordable. And generally, 5 mana two 4/4 rush is a great deal...
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If armor would be healing...
The card is really great if the battlecry triggers, but how on earth will druid heal 5 with reasonable cards. And more difficult healing 5 by turn 5. Later it is still good tempo, but the reason to play this would be the great turn 5.
Nah, I guess this dies the same death as the Paladin healing minions. And Paladin had much better possibilities to make it work.
Edit: just saw the new spell. That could work, but it is still awkward to play. Turn 1 the 1/3 battlecry 5 damage + 5 armor minion, turn 2 heal... sounds like a mediocre start. I still think if Paladin couldn't pull it of, druid will not either.
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Card text sounds like the battlecry would be optional. But I guess not. So far killing your own minions for a bonus effect never worked (only Power Overwhelming was used). At least this time you get other minions, so maybe. But I doubt it.
Anyway, this expansion puts a lot of weight into the value game. Lets see whether the tempo driven nature of hearthstone gives enough space for the cards...