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People are so sensitive, it's unreal.  They even got rid of the 'Sorry' emote to cater to people like this.

Usually, if something crazy happens, like some amazing RNG (for or against me) I'll use the greetings emote.  Regardless of the reason the person is using it, even if it is just to BM you... who cares?  If it really offends you so much, start your game with a squelch.

Think about it.  People are getting upset that they're losing a game and someone hits an emote button.  I wonder how people like that function in everyday life.

Quote from futhead_HarassedGiraffe >>

I just started playing miracle first time with patches.

13-1

deck is busted

legend games

Quote from Deltares >>

I'm a 35 years old sales manager who is also a veteran WoW player and a casual HS player. I don't need/want a clickbaity thread.

I don't think that it was a selection bias but I also don't ignore the possiblity that I was just unlucky. I created this thread to see the feedbacks of other Reno Deck players and if they experienced a similar issue.

Quote from Jwigg33 >>

You do realize that asking pro players that play 10-12 hours a day would be pretty dumb right? Sure they would say skill because they want to feel better about themselves, but like I said, they play 10-12 HOURS A DAY!! AKA T-I-M-E not skill 

It's just unrealistic to implement.  Imagine the queue times and how hard it would be to find a match that specifically matches your criteria. 

You basically want to cater a match to avoid a bunch of cards in the game or decks that you just don't like.  Why can't you have fun just by playing whatever deck you want?  Who cares what the other person brings to the table?  It casual, so if you don't like it you can just concede and re-queue.

I do think something like a lobby system would be interesting, Hearthstone right now is a pretty impersonal game.  Really, your problem is solved by having some friends to play against.

Quote from MrShmoove >>

 I have friends in game who get to play MUCH more than I do that HAVE hit legend.  And when I play against them...I STILL win over 50% of the time.  So know your roll and shut your mouth troll.

Quote from MrShmoove >>

I would say 90% of it is time and the other 10% skill.  For example I've started tracking on a daily basis my win/loss ratio and find that I'm hit 56-57% winrate almost every day.  Well above what's considered necessary to reach legend.  However I end up between ranks 8-11 because most days I have only about 8-9 games played or so because of long work days (and I watch a lotta tv lol).

So yes time is THE most import factor as right now on hitting legend under the current ladder system.  We'll see when they revamp the ladder to see if the weight of skill comes into factor more than that 10% it is now.

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Quote from scorpyon >>

I would definitely agree that time is a big factor.
I've played HS now since it was released and usually attain around an 80-90% win rate.

But that said, I only really get to play about half an hour a night or so, so the chances of grinding my way up to Legendary ranks is pretty low for the most part. (Mostly as I tend to get bored after a while - or have to quit if the games get a bit too intense (I'm pretty competitive! Heh!))

 If you consistently have an 80-90% winrate, you're higher than the top pros in Hearthstone.  Sorry, but I don't believe you.

 combine: 80% win rate with : 'play for only a half an hour'

result: he plays at a skill/deck quality above his current rank but never actually plays long enough to actually rank up.

I'm in a similar boat.  When I actually TRY to rank up, I hit rank 5 without too much difficulty (never actually tried to push for legend) and win just about all of my games.  Thus my skill level is at least rank 5.  However, I almost never get any real time to play more than a few games at a time and I tend to goof around with silly decks and quickly leave alone decks that 'work so I'm almost always sitting at rank 20-15.  Thus when I play a deck that's not absolute garbate I get around 70%+ win rates but never move much past rank 15 due to the sheer lack of games.

The pros boast about a 55-60% rate.. in upper legend.  At rank 15 it's pretty much 90%+ given whenever I see one of them actually trying to climb.

Context is always key to numbers.

Quote from scorpyon >>

I would definitely agree that time is a big factor.
I've played HS now since it was released and usually attain around an 80-90% win rate.

But that said, I only really get to play about half an hour a night or so, so the chances of grinding my way up to Legendary ranks is pretty low for the most part. (Mostly as I tend to get bored after a while - or have to quit if the games get a bit too intense (I'm pretty competitive! Heh!))

It depends what you want to do.  If you enjoy playing arena, I would continue to do so.  Don't worry about amassing a collection and focus on having fun.

Time is definitely a factor when it comes to grinding to Legend, but I wouldn't equate Rank 15 players with the same skill level at all.

I think once you are able to hit Rank 5 and higher, time is the biggest factor which is going to separate you from Legend.  The difference being that once you hit Rank 5 and higher, mistakes are immediately punished and the misplays are non-existent or greatly reduced.  I think that once you hit that point you're really going to learn how good you actually are at Hearthstone.

This post has to be a joke right?

Right?

Quote from Hooghout >>

I suppose any deck is boring and low skill. Freeze Mage is so easy and boring, it's just wait for Alexstrasza and cast spells.

Exactly. Wait for Alex and cast spells is boring. There are some cards though never see play like Moat Lurker - expensive. Imagine what it would do to board play (where creativity takes place. Indeed face -, charge damage, spell damage and weapons damage have a huge negative impact on creative gaming) if this card was cheaper. It would enhance creativity, like now dirty rat does.

 

Quote from Hooghout >>

 

Concur with the OP. Those "cool new decks" and mechanics can be labeled in terms of skill and creativity. Looking at the win condition one can get a taste of the measure of staleness and boredom.

1. Jade-mechanic: Low skill, low creativity: wait till you are beyond opponents removal range. Tempo does the rest - boring
2. Pirate warrior: utterly repulsive, no skill at all, just be braindead - boring.
3. Renolock: intermediate skill low creative: just keep the board clear and wait for the combo or Jarraxxus - interesting.
4. Renopriest: Requires a lot of skill. Difficult to handle, creative gameplay - interesting.
5. Dragonpriest: High tempo, intermediate skill - boring.
6. Miracle Rogue; Low skill, low creativity, just wait for Auctioneer. -boring.

 Low originality means that win conditions are monotonic and straight forward. In HS creativity seems to be carefully avoided. For obvious reasons. Those who call others "whining" are the true fans. They don't think, they just adore. Like president-elect Trump-voters just adore. 

 

Quote from CorePown >>

Cause that decks are made just for win not for enjoy.