I think when it comes to the very top HS players in tournaments, they know the matches so well and how to win them a lot of it comes down to luck, just based on the fact they're playing at such a high level. But for most people I'd say there is a lot of skill involved in Hearthstone so I don't get why people have to downplay it so much.
Oh it's easy, you just draw Keleseth on curve. Oh, draw Raza and Anduin on curve. Yeah, well what about the majority of games where that doesn't happen? There is a reason why pros make it to high Legend on a monthly basis and other people get stuck at rank 15. Those people who do get stuck also tend to blame luck as their shortcoming and not actually making mistakes and bad decisions.
My belief was that NA is about 3x easier than EU in terms of climbing but this season it is weird that I can't even make it through noob levels on the worse server.
Guess your belief was wrong. How did you even come to that conclusion?
Where did the 3x easier number even come from? Just making things up?
I will never unerstand why some people are so riddled with ADHD that they can't stomach the thought of waiting for an opponent to take their turn.
Because it's annoying as all hell when they roping on turn 1 or 2. There is litterally only usually 1 or 2 options to play...play a 1 cost card or pass. It's not rocket science that you NEED 90 seconds.
Aside from the very real and acceptable fact that every player should have the right to think about and plan out their turn, there is also the mechanical problem where some people (on mobile devices) have difficulty with staying connected reliably when the signal is poor. I've lost count of the number of times I have had to play right up to the rope just because the game app takes seemingly forever to register my move instructions.
With a shorter turn time it unfairly punishes people with poor connection.
If your connection is THAT bad...maybe you shouldn't be playing! Just a thought. lol
Or maybe they're spending turn one and two focused on how the future turns are going to play out? Sometimes there are a lot of things to consider on your first few turns, especially considering winning or losing can sometimes be determined in those first few starting turns.
It's like the video of Lifecoach playing Patron Warrior against Trump back in the day. Trump was making fun of him on camera for roping on turn one and two, having a grand old time against ol' Ropecoach. Except he smashed Trump and played his future turns perfectly because he actually took the time to consider how he was going to act.
Hearthstone games last an average of what, seven to ten minutes? If you're really that impatient maybe you should play something else.
I never understood the mentality that F2P games means charity. As in, I should have all the important content and never have to spend a dime.
It's been shown that you can be competitive while never spending any money on Hearthstone as lots of people do it. Why would Blizzard cater further to people who don't financially support a game they spend countless hours playing, and why should they?
Maybe you should be using the time available to you to make the best decision and plan out your future turns?
Who cares if it's casual or brawl, there is nothing wrong with using the time available to you. It doesn't mean the player is just alt-tabbed or not paying attention.
last few days, every opponent i face plays only their top decked card. if i have set up lethal, they topdeck a card to prevent it etc.
i would not mind if it happens here and there, but it happens almost every game. i dont know why but this is ridic.
if an opponent wins by skill(lol skill in hs) i dont care, but my opponents get so extremely lucky draws that its unreal.
i really suspect, that the draw is rigged for some guys in some way.
Luck doesn't exist and the draw isn't rigged. It's human nature to focus on only when someone top decks that exact card they needed and dwell on it while ignoring when it happens in your favor. Focusing on how unlucky you were will never help you get better, you should focus on if you could have played differently to win. If you don't think you could have improved at all and you played perfectly, that's probably part of the problem.
i would. but my opponent plays only top decked cards every game. i love hearthstone but when i have to witness this every single game its no fun anymore.
last two games:
druid: i got pyro from glyph and he has 9 health. his top deck with 20 cards left is earthen scale. nex top deck he gets is his second earthen scale.
2 exact cards he needed in this situation out of 20 remaining.
next game jade rogue: have him down to 11 or something and have lethal set up with a drawn frostbolt from ai . he has lichking on the board for two turns and got 2x death coil out of it.
took a break after that.
next game against priest.
i have lethal next turn. he played lychking before and got 1 card from him= death coil. another 1 out of 8.
so the last games when my opponent had lychking on board he got 3x death coil in situations where he would be dead next turn.
concidence?
and no, i am not making this up. just feels hard to believe the draw is not rigged
When I started this season the first five rogues I played against all had Keleseth on turn two. I remember thinking what are the odds that of the past five games, every single one had it on curve. But you can't focus on that, because it was only five games. Obviously I'd be playing plenty of rogues and that won't always be the case, was just a fluke. Didn't mean I was unlucky, or the draw was rigged.
Besides, you can look at it both ways. You got pyro from your glyph in the one game you described with him at 9 health. Isn't that lucky? You got exactly the card you needed to win the game. It wasn't even a card in your deck, you got it from a discover. That's way luckier than your opponent drawing a card actually in his deck. You gloss over that part because you're too focused on how unlucky you are that he had a good draw too.
Then you probably get tilted and start playing badly and make poor decisions and don't even realize you're doing it.
last few days, every opponent i face plays only their top decked card. if i have set up lethal, they topdeck a card to prevent it etc.
i would not mind if it happens here and there, but it happens almost every game. i dont know why but this is ridic.
if an opponent wins by skill(lol skill in hs) i dont care, but my opponents get so extremely lucky draws that its unreal.
i really suspect, that the draw is rigged for some guys in some way.
Luck doesn't exist and the draw isn't rigged. It's human nature to focus on only when someone top decks that exact card they needed and dwell on it while ignoring when it happens in your favor. Focusing on how unlucky you were will never help you get better, you should focus on if you could have played differently to win. If you don't think you could have improved at all and you played perfectly, that's probably part of the problem.
I think it has something to do with getting NOTHING for losing. Now I don’t think we should get everything handed to us, but after a long and close game you get zero out of it. I believe that’s what creates the salt.
The thing you need to realize is that you will lose games in Hearthstone and sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. Sometimes you'll go on a bad run and lose several games in a row, it happens and is just the nature of the game. But you need to realize as long as you maintain a winning average, eventually you will continue to climb. Learn from your mistakes and when you do lose, try to sit back and think of what you could have done differently, or better. A lot of people blame bad luck when they actually made mistakes or decisions that put them in a position to be unlucky. On the flip side, sometimes your opponent has the nuts and there isn't anything you can do about it except move on to the next match.
Play the game for the sake of playing the game and enjoy it. The ranks will come if you're doing that. Once you get past your ladder anxiety and just play to play, you'll start breaking barriers and before you know it, you'll get to rank five easily, because you've done it over and over again. So you know that you can do it.
What's the worse that can happen? You try to get to rank five and fail and the season ends. So what, try again. Keep trying until you can do it on the regular. You'll never get there if you don't try. And trying meaning failing along the way.
I only get mad when you bring meta ladder decks to casual "because you can" and "I'm just testing it" and "relax bro its just a game."
No offense but "Relax bro it's just a game."
No. Play ladder decks on ladder. Keep casual cancer free, the way it should be.
You're going to get people getting angry and complain about anything you play, regardless of which mode you're in.
I see a lot of players complain about ladder decks in casual, but I also get enough BM adds in casual when I beat somebody with a random OTK deck I enjoy playing, or they go aggro with BM emoting until I beat them.
Nobody should let others determine what they play, how they play it, or where they play because in the end somebody is going to complain about what you're playing regardless.
That doesn't mean you should play ladder decks in casual.
Why ? I think you are being ridiculous. You play to win. Even If you play a meme deck you still want to win with it. Otherwise it’s pointless. So why accuse people play anything for win?
IMO, Casual is/should be like like an after work pickup game of <whateverthefuck sport you want>. Just screwing around, mostly having fun, sure trying to win but it's not a huge deal - you're all not that great but it's fun to try. Then one day, a couple younger guys drop in. That's cool, this is just for fun. Then you find out they both played at top tier colleges, starting line in fact. And they totally crush everyone. "Relax bro, it's just for fun right?" they reply. But that's not the fucking point. This is your for fun after work pickup game, not top tier highly competitive college mode.
That's the problem.
I really hate this argument of people trying to dictate how other people should play the game and define what casual is meant to be. You're basically saying, "casual is where people should play only bad decks." Well, who are you to tell others what to play and how? Everyone is going to have a completely different opinion on what decks they want to play against. Some people even go as far as to say aggro decks shouldn't be allowed in casual. There isn't any way to force people to play only the decks you want, because everyone has a different viewpoint on what decks are "cancer" and what decks aren't.
But I've got good news for you, since it's only casual and the results are meaningless. You can just insta-concede if you don't like the deck you're playing against. Problem solved. At the end of the day casual mode simply means, unranked. It doesn't mean, "play only the decks that Kaladin thinks should be allowed."
Stuff like that happends alot to me, not matter wich deck im choosing to play. I feel like im outlucked 60% of the time and outplayed 40%..
This is one of your biggest problems, you're already starting to blame luck as being responsible for the majority of your losses. I guarantee you're making a ton of mistakes and you don't even know it.
Change your mindset to think about how you could have played better. Record and playback some games and see if there was a different play you could have made to win. Once you start going to the, "I'm so unlucky" route, it's just an excuse and a crutch for bad plays.
you could also simply pay attention to what's happening in the game.
if you're going to take the game serious enough to post on a forum you should also take the game serious enough to not miss things like burned cards. Blizzard doesn't have to spoon feed everything just because it makes life "easier"
So much vitriol for an idea that makes sense.
It should be added in the log so you can see what was burned. I don't see how having more information available to you is some representation of skill or lack thereof. Are people in this thread really saying that watching a card getting burned is skillful?
If that's the case, why even have a combat log to begin with?
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I think when it comes to the very top HS players in tournaments, they know the matches so well and how to win them a lot of it comes down to luck, just based on the fact they're playing at such a high level. But for most people I'd say there is a lot of skill involved in Hearthstone so I don't get why people have to downplay it so much.
Oh it's easy, you just draw Keleseth on curve. Oh, draw Raza and Anduin on curve. Yeah, well what about the majority of games where that doesn't happen? There is a reason why pros make it to high Legend on a monthly basis and other people get stuck at rank 15. Those people who do get stuck also tend to blame luck as their shortcoming and not actually making mistakes and bad decisions.
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I never understood the mentality that F2P games means charity. As in, I should have all the important content and never have to spend a dime.
It's been shown that you can be competitive while never spending any money on Hearthstone as lots of people do it. Why would Blizzard cater further to people who don't financially support a game they spend countless hours playing, and why should they?
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Maybe you should be using the time available to you to make the best decision and plan out your future turns?
Who cares if it's casual or brawl, there is nothing wrong with using the time available to you. It doesn't mean the player is just alt-tabbed or not paying attention.
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The thing you need to realize is that you will lose games in Hearthstone and sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. Sometimes you'll go on a bad run and lose several games in a row, it happens and is just the nature of the game. But you need to realize as long as you maintain a winning average, eventually you will continue to climb. Learn from your mistakes and when you do lose, try to sit back and think of what you could have done differently, or better. A lot of people blame bad luck when they actually made mistakes or decisions that put them in a position to be unlucky. On the flip side, sometimes your opponent has the nuts and there isn't anything you can do about it except move on to the next match.
Play the game for the sake of playing the game and enjoy it. The ranks will come if you're doing that. Once you get past your ladder anxiety and just play to play, you'll start breaking barriers and before you know it, you'll get to rank five easily, because you've done it over and over again. So you know that you can do it.
What's the worse that can happen? You try to get to rank five and fail and the season ends. So what, try again. Keep trying until you can do it on the regular. You'll never get there if you don't try. And trying meaning failing along the way.
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So much vitriol for an idea that makes sense.
It should be added in the log so you can see what was burned. I don't see how having more information available to you is some representation of skill or lack thereof. Are people in this thread really saying that watching a card getting burned is skillful?
If that's the case, why even have a combat log to begin with?