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I think flamewaker, RNG aside, is just too strong. Cards like say, evolve, are healthy as they allow you to control the outcome within reason, as well as allow your opponent to interact with the outcome. Cards like lightning storm aren't healthy, since a 50/50% chance can decide the game on turn 3.

I would like to see some shadowcaster and brann shenanigans with this and watch someone end up taking like 12 turns in a row.

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This expansion so far, they're basically giving aggro and midrange a bunch of new, fun toys and giving control Bomb Squad.

And Dragonfire Potion, Pint-Size Potion, Potion of Madness, Felfire Potion, Abyssal Enforcer, Alley Armorsmith, Devolve, Dirty Rat, Inkmaster Solia, Kazakus, Jade Lightning, Kabal Courier, Kun the Forgotten King, Manic Soulcaster, Piranha Launcher, and Volcanic Potion.

Please tell me how they've given control no new tools.

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So the Gadgetzan expansion is coming out soon, and even though it will only be standard for a bit over a year, I still have quite a bit to say about it. 

First off, what's with the power creep again? I thought the reasoning behind standard was so that we wouldn't have to deal with the crap in GVG forever. This is the second expansion and the third card set since standard and I'm already seeing GVG 2. Compare Dopplegangster to Force of Nature. Compare Pint-Size Potion to Shrinkmeister. Compare Mistress of Mixtures to Refreshment Vendor. Also for those who are looking at Grook Fu Master, GVG has its fair share of Flying Machines, but that's beside the point. The point is, the next expansion will have to be even more powerful or it'll be TGT 2. 

The worst part of this is the Jade Golems. As we've seen in the Siege on Stormwind Brawl, the only thing that can hold back a constant stream of growing minions is Kel'Thuzad with a gang of taunts. This basically means that control instantly loses against Jade Golem decks unless they can find a way to duplicate their removal endlessly. The only way to beat the Green Gang is to rush them down, which is not entirely fun if that's not your playstyle. 

Furthermore, control has never dominated the meta since the release of Naxxramas. The only thing that comes close is C'Thun, and it's debatable weather or not that's classified as control. This expansion so far, they're basically giving aggro and midrange a bunch of new, fun toys and giving control Bomb Squad. This is not a fresh meta, this is getting slightly different cards in a stale meta. 

But no matter how much I write, MSG will still come out sooner or later. For now, all I can hope is some actual fun and interesting cards in the card dump that can compete with what we're getting now. 

 So many wrong things said in one post.

- Dopplegangster  is almost assuredly going to be used in Evolve decks, because it's going to summon 2 5 mana copies of it. Force of Nature has not been played as much since it was nerfed to oblivion.

- Pint-Size Potion is going to be used in Control Priest decks, more than likely making Shadow Word: Horror a force to be reckoned with. Priest finally has a legitimate answer to zoo at 5 mana, and many cards that zoo decks use will be destroyed by this card, which means that Shamans will be using Flamewreathed Faceless a lot more. Shrinkmeister[card] was usually a combo piece with [card]Cabal Shadow Priest or Shadow Word: Pain.

- Mistress of Mixtures compared to Refreshment Vendor is an extremely weak comparison. Refreshment Vendor has an unavoidable Battlecry that comes in a reliable 3/5 body that easily recoups what the Battlecry does. Mistress of Mixtures has a Deathrattle that can be avoided by not killing the damn thing or giving it the Silence treatment. Not to mention just about every single damage spell in the game kills it.

- Jade Golem decks DO have a weakness. They rely on the spells and minions to summon them, and Control decks can EASILY wipe out the Jade Golem tokens. Wild Pyromancer and Equality. Frost Nova and Doomsayer. Brawl. Dragonfire Potion[card]. The aforementioned [card]Pint-Size Potion / Shadow Word: Horror Control decks aren't really out of options against a Jade Golem deck.

- Bomb Squad will only be used as dusting material, just like Millhouse Manastorm. I could only see that being used in Evolve decks to avoid the Deathrattle or by Rogues. Oh wait, Rogues have better removal with bouncing Moat Lurker back to their hand. Who in their right mind would play Bomb Squad?

You're doing nothing but comparing apples to carrots here, mate.

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Can I get some explanations of why a druid would use a Raven Idol on Turn 1 before their opponent even had a turn? Wouldn't you want to at least know something about the deck you are playing?  The only reason I'd think to use it that early would be to prep for Yogg?

Any info?

I don't do this, but have had opponents do it while playing against me.

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 Yet almost everyone below rank 10 in wild is playing a golden hero, as well as the most cancerous deck available to them. The real reason that N'zoth is better in wild is because control is more viable. People seem to forget that Sludge Belcher and Healbot used to be cards.

 The thing is, the meta is not really optimized. If the wild meta is optimized enough and N'Zoth remains good, then it becomes the cancer deck. People will hate it, complain about it, etc. The meta will just be as unbalanced, but in the other direction.

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It is really riddiculous how well N'Zoth decks do in wild and how difficult it is to play in standard mode lol. I really can't explain to myself why Wild is more balanced than standard. Sludge belcher needs to be a standard card!

 I can explain it for you. The real reason is because less people play Wild. Especially, much less people play it competitively. When the game is less competitive, you see less "cancerous decks", as there are less people who really tries to find these decks.

Obviously this mechanic wouldn't quite work well without having to change some cards, (Bolster, Explosive Sheep,etc.) The thing that irks me the most is people constantly whining about freeze mage and malygos decks. They wouldn't even be strictly more powerful than they are right now, decks like tempo mage and control warrior would be ridiculously better in this fictional scenario. 

Also, to all the people mentioning Magic: The Gathering, just because you can block with creatures doesn't mean it is in anyway similar in play to Hearthstone where all minions have taunt.

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This is a disgusting card and has so many problems surrounding it, people will build decks with cold light oracles to add cards to your opponents hand, and fill their board with cards like leeroy Jenkins, it would be almost impossible to play around too. Imagine the mill decks, you can't play creatures from your hand to fill the board, because you will lose, but you can't keep your cards in your hand because you will get milled. Terrible design 

As much as I would like this mechanic, Blizzard is just to much of a wuss to implement it.

Go second, opening hand: Ship's Cannon, Southsea Deckhand, Southsea Deckhand, and Preparation. 

Turn one: draw Counterfeit Coin, then The Coin Ship's Cannon.

Turn two: draw Gang Up, play Southsea Deckhand, Preparation + Gang Up on Patches the Pirate, then Counterfeit Coin Southsea Deckhand.

This nets you 18 damage turn 2 with 2 attack damage from Ship's Cannon, 4 attack damage from 4 Patches the Pirate, and 12 damage from 6 separate Ship's Cannon activations. 

Ridiculous combo aside, is Patches strong enough alone to make pirate rogue a playable deck? If not what would? 

*I realize Ship's Cannon isn't standard legal*

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Both should be used in different decks.

Medivh is good in control mage because you can reliably reach your end goal of playing him and scoring major value points to overwhelm your opponent. The only downside of this is unless you are playing against another control deck, Medivh usually doesn't do much, by that point of the game you should already be winning by a landslide and shouldn't need that much more value.

Antonidas is better in a tempo mage because he allows you to exchange your early tempo cards, (arcane blast, arcane missiles) into serious burn or removal. By the time you are able to play Antonidas as a tempo mage you should be at a point where he puts your opponent on a 1 turn clock due to you having 13 damage available with your spells and hero power, even if they remove Antonidas.

 

 What if I'm trying to blend both styles into a singular play style? Where I'm using Medivh as a target for my opponents to use hard removal on so i can follow up with A.A. and have him live with Ateish active. I would effectively flood the board with minions they have to remove or face lethal as well as a chain of fireballs coming from the hand. I know they biggest downside would be getting stuck with both in hand early game but with ice block, counter spell, average draw power and some early board presence i should be able to present a threat until late game when i drop one, two or all three. Also if my opponent uses hard removal on Medivh, Arcane Giant, or A.A. id have the others too add that threat back almost immediately at that point in game. The biggest concern i would think would come from fast paced early aggro or brawl because a  7/7, 8/8, and 5/7 would all require immediate counters. 

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It's highly recommended to build up your classic packs. they never cycle out.

Also make sure to snag a new player pack for $5 as its 10 packs. I would say do 2/3 classic and the rest on TOG or save for gadgetzan which comes out next month.

 yeah I already got ONIK  and pre order gadgetzan . I gues ill buy 50 TOG pack then open those rescan my deck on my spread sheet and go from there . I dont want to pick up the other wings of the old shit since its going in 2-3 months

Both should be used in different decks.

Medivh is good in control mage because you can reliably reach your end goal of playing him and scoring major value points to overwhelm your opponent. The only downside of this is unless you are playing against another control deck, Medivh usually doesn't do much, by that point of the game you should already be winning by a landslide and shouldn't need that much more value.

Antonidas is better in a tempo mage because he allows you to exchange your early tempo cards, (arcane blast, arcane missiles) into serious burn or removal. By the time you are able to play Antonidas as a tempo mage you should be at a point where he puts your opponent on a 1 turn clock due to you having 13 damage available with your spells and hero power, even if they remove Antonidas.

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So...MTG (which by the way, their 100-card Commander format is what this new mode was based on) has cards that are absolutely broken in Commander that are balanced in their Standard formats and the other way around. 

Look, I would say we could try and do a ban-list, but then you realize how hard that would be in this game, in cardboard card games it's easy because you can just say, 'see this card, this card can't be used in decks and there is no way around it in competitive play as judges will want to see your decklists in any sanctioned tourney,' in Hearthstone that's a lot more difficult, especially in online play since people could probably hack the game to get around any protocols used to make banlists.

Look, it isn't perfect, but the regular formats aren't perfect either, and this is a game mode that not everyone has to play, no one forces you to play those Brawls where certain cards a broken, but if you want that free pack, you do so anyways.

Also, this is designed to be a more control-based game mode(because them aggro decks can get really annoying), so cards like Reno and Alex being a little more powerful is a reasonable assumption. And just going to point out by the way, if you see the lists for some of the more aggressive classes(like Hunter), you'll see than Finley is part of the deck, meaning that you might change your hero power at some point to make a 'bad' class, better overall.