I have 3200 dust and I dont know should I craft lightlord and cairne for deathrattle paladin, any opinion what I should craft instead of them?
In the attachment in your post I see that you already have two big healing minions (2x Guardian of Kings), one Forbidden Healing, and your Tuskarr Jousters might also work (although I personally have given up on Jousting), so strictly speaking the healing Rag is not 100% necessary. Cairne though will provide a healthy deathrattle body when NZoth is played, and remains very sticky before that time. So my advice is to get Cairne for your deck.
I have 3200 dust and I dont know should I craft lightlord and cairne for deathrattle paladin, any opinion what I should craft instead of them?
I would also say Cairne. It's currently used in many N'Zoth decks on here so I believe it's better value than lightlord which can only be played in healidin and N'Zoth control pali.
(Some other cards I have in my N'Zoth control pal are: A light in the darkness (testing), Solemn Vigil (some needed card draw imo), The Black knight (for the druid and C'Thun decks I'm facing, and even ok/good vs zoo warlock), Cyclopian Horror (for aggro), Elise (just as another win condition later). Consider putting some of these and seeing how you like them)
Deathwing, Dragonlord has seen competitive play - it's just not the MVP of one particular strong meta star at the moment. Onyxia does not in any way at all belong to Tier 4 - for arguments on why, check the previous pages where I have commented on that (she has been raised in "tiers" significantly in shaman evolve decks etc).
You are also very much mistaken on Cairne, and a simple look on the decks he is currently featured in (a LOT, and not just NZoth ones) will prove this. For people that don't have him, it's one of the top crafting priorities at the moment for Standard where most of the old sticky deathrattle minions are gone, primarily for NZoth decks, control warrior and also other decks (evolve ones etc).
I do not think you really know what competitive play is. Competitive play is consistent use of the card in tournaments or legend ladder. That being said both onyxia and deathwing dragonlord have not seen competitive play. Cairne does see play, but is not needed for any deck currently, many control paladins and priests drop that card because it is too slow, it is not a staple for sure, but I will move it from tier 3 to 2.
@ Flood: I agree with almost all your placements but personally think some cards are in the wrong tiers. Could you tell me why you feel they should stay where they are (or be moved accordingly if I happen to change your mind)?
Cairne Bloodhoof should be tier 2 at least perhaps even tier one later if a more refined deathrattle (DR) deck comes out that is top tier. Currently due to many DR leaving standard, I think it is a staple in DR rogue, pali, and hunter. This is mainly due to N'Zoth, the Corruptor which you put tier 1.
Onyxia is not unplayable atm from what I have tried out. Mainly because evolve shaman is one of the most dominating decks currently. Turn 10 or later Onyxia + Evolve is very strong most cases (unless like a doomsayer lets say). Even alone it has been a bit of a pain since they need single target removal and some aoe in most cases. Had it Sap one game but could bloodlust to help clear most of enemy board since I was just a bit off lethal. I'm not saying it's top tier by any means but do not believe its unplayable. Tier 3 should be fine for it atm and only because a top tier deck can actually use it (even though I don't see it often since most don't have the card lol).
Yogg-Saron, Hope's End is unplayable imo. Don't get me wrong, I love the card, its my fav this expansion and happened to be my first legendary I pulled from the new pack, but I have tried to make it work in rogue/mage and wow, it sucks. I have been winning games before I play it and after I play I am mostly losing the game. I have been astral communinioned when I had like 2 maybe 0 cards in deck and lost, etc... In my games it kills itself 80-90% of time. I feel it is in tier 4/unplayable tier as far as consistency goes. Why do you feel its playable?
These last two I have but not tested yet. Just feel they should be in tier 3: Deathwing, Dragonlord, Shifter Zerus. DD in dragon pali, priest, or dragon/deathrattle shaman, which there is a decently high rated deck on hearthpwn atm. While Shifter Zerus just seems like it could fit in most midrange/control decks and be useful at some point in the game.
Thanks for the guide, it's quite nice for new players and for older players to hopefully confirm their rankings/ get a second opinion.
Onyxia unfortunately doesn't have consistency ; Cairne stepped in a little bit but is still slow but it can make the cut in deathrattle deck with N'Zoth; with shifter zerus u got to be very lucky to get a good minion from it ; Deathwing is slow and it denies the battlecries of most useful dragons, but it can be useful in really slow matches ; Yogg serves the purpose of a "last resort", if you're winning you're not supposed to play it because u can lose BADLY. But if you're on the lethal spot of your opponent it can really turn the table in a blink, it's almost unfair.
Sylvanas, N'Zoth, Tirion and 1x Forbidden Healing are necessary, Lightlord is highly recommended but you can get some other healing option. Cairne is pretty strong and also recommended but it's not very unique so you could get some other high value DR like Corrupted Healbot or Twilight Summoner but Cairne is just better. Doomsayer is important and unique effect is a problem so you should rather craft it after all. You can't replace it, you can just get some other cards with other effects.
2xDoomsayer ?
You can add additional humility but I think doomsayer is a very good choice to craft it can go in freeze mage and sometimes in other control decks.
Start with Leeroy since it goes in all those decks you mentioned but maybe not with such a huge dusting. Golden Princess Hurruran? It's a pretty amazing card. And who knows if Majordomo will ever see play. I remember this one guy posting here that he got golden priest with transforming into Ragnaros, so there's that.
Just pulled a few legendary from opening classic packs, i can say i might have gotten pretty lucky as i opened 5 legendaries in 50ish packs.
Hogger (classic) Illidan Leeroy Jenkins (Definately keeping this one for zoo/combo decks) Prophet Velen Al'akir
Are any of these worth keeping or should i dust them? Im a f2p player still missing several core epics/legends like brawl, justicar, ysera etc.
My Prophet Velen is waiting for some chance to be played but no. I tried some combo decks but they are so slow and for standard, these combo decks are hard to combine with the loss of Lightbomb. I'm still keeping it but I guess it's not worth it.
Illidan is bad. Dust him with no regret. Hogger and Al'Akir may see some plays. I would not touch them.
Just pulled a few legendary from opening classic packs, i can say i might have gotten pretty lucky as i opened 5 legendaries in 50ish packs.
Hogger (classic) Illidan Leeroy Jenkins (Definately keeping this one for zoo/combo decks) Prophet Velen Al'akir
Are any of these worth keeping or should i dust them? Im a f2p player still missing several core epics/legends like brawl, justicar, ysera etc.
"Definately" is definitely not a word. You should probably dust Velen, Illidan, and Hogger if you're missing cards like Justicar, Brawl, and Ysera. Honestly though, all three of the cards you mentioned that are missing from your collection are only played in a couple of decks. What decks do you really want to play?
Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot: that sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those...who would oppose us.
Ragnaros fits in a wide array of decks, from Tempo Mage to a tech'd out N'Zoth Paladin. Also a resource in many control decks, despite the rng. It's also mainly a resource to FIGHT control decks due to the amount of HP it can hack. Ysera is also a control deck tool, but has only seen play in dragon decks, which by default were never thaaat great. If you have Rafaam, you can skip Ysera for now.
Deathwing, Dragonlord has seen competitive play - it's just not the MVP of one particular strong meta star at the moment. Onyxia does not in any way at all belong to Tier 4 - for arguments on why, check the previous pages where I have commented on that (she has been raised in "tiers" significantly in shaman evolve decks etc).
You are also very much mistaken on Cairne, and a simple look on the decks he is currently featured in (a LOT, and not just NZoth ones) will prove this. For people that don't have him, it's one of the top crafting priorities at the moment for Standard where most of the old sticky deathrattle minions are gone, primarily for NZoth decks, control warrior and also other decks (evolve ones etc).
I do not think you really know what competitive play is. Competitive play is consistent use of the card in tournaments or legend ladder. That being said both onyxia and deathwing dragonlord have not seen competitive play. Cairne does see play, but is not needed for any deck currently, many control paladins and priests drop that card because it is too slow, it is not a staple for sure, but I will move it from tier 3 to 2.
thank you for your contributions
Yes, I know perfectly well what competitive play is, and it is not limited to tournaments - which ask for a different deck design than simple ladder - but like you said, legend ladder as well. And yes, I have frequently seen both Onyxia and the new Deathwing there, not just in gimmick decks but in viable decks that perform well. For further arguments, I will say again: please check the previous pages that contain links to Reddit etc. There have been lots of discussions, especially for Onyxia recently.
As for Cairne, I am going to say again that you are very much mistaken. If you actually follow the competive scene closely, you will now see Cairne everywhere. Dreamhack was just a small example, but as expected he made his appearance in various NZoth decks and Control Warrior almost instantly as soon as Standard was introduced. If you still have doubts, I suggest you take a look at Reddit, Tempostorm, ManaCrystals etc., hell, even this site. Plus, it's easy to understand why, as also explained in the previous posts.
Ragnaros fits in a wide array of decks, from Tempo Mage to a tech'd out N'Zoth Paladin. Also a resource in many control decks, despite the rng. It's also mainly a resource to FIGHT control decks due to the amount of HP it can hack. Ysera is also a control deck tool, but has only seen play in dragon decks, which by default were never thaaat great. If you have Rafaam, you can skip Ysera for now.
Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot: that sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those...who would oppose us.
Hello, just opened a WOTG pack with Golden Mukla, Tyrant of the Vale I was thinking of trying it out in a some type of mid-range spell mage deck but I don't really know if it's worth it after seeing the unplayable status on this tier list. Can someone explain to me why this card is considered bad, preferably someone with experience using it.
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In the attachment in your post I see that you already have two big healing minions (2x Guardian of Kings), one Forbidden Healing, and your Tuskarr Jousters might also work (although I personally have given up on Jousting), so strictly speaking the healing Rag is not 100% necessary. Cairne though will provide a healthy deathrattle body when NZoth is played, and remains very sticky before that time. So my advice is to get Cairne for your deck.
(Some other cards I have in my N'Zoth control pal are: A light in the darkness (testing), Solemn Vigil (some needed card draw imo), The Black knight (for the druid and C'Thun decks I'm facing, and even ok/good vs zoo warlock), Cyclopian Horror (for aggro), Elise (just as another win condition later). Consider putting some of these and seeing how you like them)
guys i don't know if this question would be off topic, but which neutral epic cards would you consider are the most important right now ?
well epic's off-topic so imma gonna pm you my friend.
after reading the bucketful of 'what to craft' threads, i went for Leeroy Jenkins because aggro is probably my best option being on budget...
BBQ an egg?
Have any of you disenchant any Naxx -GvG or other expansion legendaries? I'm planning to do so but don't know which ones should be kept for wild.
IMO
Malygos is no longer a Tier 1
Deathwing is not a Tier 2
Princess Huhuran is not a Tier 2
Majordomo Executus is not playable
Blizz </3 Shaman
I need about 35 wins for golden Warrior. Is Malkorok that good in tempo? How is he better than just playing Gorehowl?
Which to craft first?
Ysera or Ragnaros the Firelord?
Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot: that sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those...who would oppose us.
The classic tier: Reno Jackson | Elise Starseeker | Brann Bronzebeard.
As for Cairne, I am going to say again that you are very much mistaken. If you actually follow the competive scene closely, you will now see Cairne everywhere. Dreamhack was just a small example, but as expected he made his appearance in various NZoth decks and Control Warrior almost instantly as soon as Standard was introduced. If you still have doubts, I suggest you take a look at Reddit, Tempostorm, ManaCrystals etc., hell, even this site. Plus, it's easy to understand why, as also explained in the previous posts.
Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot: that sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those...who would oppose us.
The classic tier: Reno Jackson | Elise Starseeker | Brann Bronzebeard.
Hello, just opened a WOTG pack with Golden Mukla, Tyrant of the Vale I was thinking of trying it out in a some type of mid-range spell mage deck but I don't really know if it's worth it after seeing the unplayable status on this tier list. Can someone explain to me why this card is considered bad, preferably someone with experience using it.