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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

 After you play Hemet, Archbishop is the reason you don't die to fatigue.  It's one way to run the Raza/DK package; if you're running Archbishop, you should also be running Hemet, and vice versa.  I wouldn't throw AB into a non Hemet deck, that just doesn't make any sense to dilute your deck, where you really need to be drawing to your win condition (Raza+DK) as fast as possible.  

I will say that AB has won me games I probably had no business winning.  One in particular was vs Exodia Mage, in which I got his Antonidas, Ice Block, and Frostbolt, among other things. 

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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

 After you play Hemet, Archbishop is the reason you don't die to fatigue.  It's one way to run the Raza/DK package; if you're running Archbishop, you should also be running Hemet, and vice versa.  I wouldn't throw AB into a non Hemet deck, that just doesn't make any sense to dilute your deck, where you really need to be drawing to your win condition (Raza+DK) as fast as possible.  

I will say that AB has won me games I probably had no business winning.  One in particular was vs Exodia Mage, in which I got his Antonidas, Ice Block, and Frostbolt, among other things. 

I fully and completely understand how the deck works.

What I was saying is, "are you winning because Highlander Priest is so good that it can overcome running (bad) cards like Hemet and Archbishop, or are you winning because Hemet and Archbisop are in your deck."

For example, I could almost certainly put Devour Mind in my Highlander Priest deck. And I would still win a lot of games. Some of those games I would win because of a card I got off of Devour Mind. But is Devour Mind helping me win more games than I would win without it in there.

I don't have an HSReplay account, so I don't have access to some of these numbers.

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 Turns out, I was right.  

You were all evaluating the card in the old meta without having seen all the cards.  SR Anduin makes this card pretty good in combination with Hemet.  Doesn't really matter how little synergy your opponents cards give you when they all have an added "deal 2 damage to anything" attached. 

 You must be smoking very hard. No meta deck use this card. Wtf are you talking about. You were wrong, period.

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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

 After you play Hemet, Archbishop is the reason you don't die to fatigue.  It's one way to run the Raza/DK package; if you're running Archbishop, you should also be running Hemet, and vice versa.  I wouldn't throw AB into a non Hemet deck, that just doesn't make any sense to dilute your deck, where you really need to be drawing to your win condition (Raza+DK) as fast as possible.  

I will say that AB has won me games I probably had no business winning.  One in particular was vs Exodia Mage, in which I got his Antonidas, Ice Block, and Frostbolt, among other things. 

I fully and completely understand how the deck works.

What I was saying is, "are you winning because Highlander Priest is so good that it can overcome running (bad) cards like Hemet and Archbishop, or are you winning because Hemet and Archbisop are in your deck."

For example, I could almost certainly put Devour Mind in my Highlander Priest deck. And I would still win a lot of games. Some of those games I would win because of a card I got off of Devour Mind. But is Devour Mind helping me win more games than I would win without it in there.

I don't have an HSReplay account, so I don't have access to some of these numbers.

 I am running Hemet in order to draw the key cards faster.  I am running Archbishop to add cards back to my deck.

So yes, I am winning because these two cards work together.  I think if you tried running Hemet without AB, you'd lose far more often just because of running out of resources.  If you tried running AB without Hemet, then the card is kind of pointless. 

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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

 After you play Hemet, Archbishop is the reason you don't die to fatigue.  It's one way to run the Raza/DK package; if you're running Archbishop, you should also be running Hemet, and vice versa.  I wouldn't throw AB into a non Hemet deck, that just doesn't make any sense to dilute your deck, where you really need to be drawing to your win condition (Raza+DK) as fast as possible.  

I will say that AB has won me games I probably had no business winning.  One in particular was vs Exodia Mage, in which I got his Antonidas, Ice Block, and Frostbolt, among other things. 

I fully and completely understand how the deck works.

What I was saying is, "are you winning because Highlander Priest is so good that it can overcome running (bad) cards like Hemet and Archbishop, or are you winning because Hemet and Archbisop are in your deck."

For example, I could almost certainly put Devour Mind in my Highlander Priest deck. And I would still win a lot of games. Some of those games I would win because of a card I got off of Devour Mind. But is Devour Mind helping me win more games than I would win without it in there.

I don't have an HSReplay account, so I don't have access to some of these numbers.

 I am running Hemet in order to draw the key cards faster.  I am running Archbishop to add cards back to my deck.

So yes, I am winning because these two cards work together.  I think if you tried running Hemet without AB, you'd lose far more often just because of running out of resources.  If you tried running AB without Hemet, then the card is kind of pointless. 

 I know all this. You are completely missing the point of my comment. LOL.

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Ah ok I must have imagined all the games I won in the last two days.  Not rank 25 btw, Rank 5 to 3 so far.  There are versions of Razakus that run Hemet + Archbishop, successful ones.  

 I think we still may need more time to see if people are winning because of Hemet-Benedictus, or in spite of them.

I've been playing it too, but I'm not sold yet on whether it's better than the standard versions. It is good against Fatigue Warrior, at least.

 After you play Hemet, Archbishop is the reason you don't die to fatigue.  It's one way to run the Raza/DK package; if you're running Archbishop, you should also be running Hemet, and vice versa.  I wouldn't throw AB into a non Hemet deck, that just doesn't make any sense to dilute your deck, where you really need to be drawing to your win condition (Raza+DK) as fast as possible.  

I will say that AB has won me games I probably had no business winning.  One in particular was vs Exodia Mage, in which I got his Antonidas, Ice Block, and Frostbolt, among other things. 

I fully and completely understand how the deck works.

What I was saying is, "are you winning because Highlander Priest is so good that it can overcome running (bad) cards like Hemet and Archbishop, or are you winning because Hemet and Archbisop are in your deck."

For example, I could almost certainly put Devour Mind in my Highlander Priest deck. And I would still win a lot of games. Some of those games I would win because of a card I got off of Devour Mind. But is Devour Mind helping me win more games than I would win without it in there.

I don't have an HSReplay account, so I don't have access to some of these numbers.

 I am running Hemet in order to draw the key cards faster.  I am running Archbishop to add cards back to my deck.

So yes, I am winning because these two cards work together.  I think if you tried running Hemet without AB, you'd lose far more often just because of running out of resources.  If you tried running AB without Hemet, then the card is kind of pointless. 

 I know all this. You are completely missing the point of my comment. LOL.

 You are asking me if Razakus is strong enough on its own to overcome running AB.  I am saying the whole point of running AB in Razakus is because (one approach of many) is to run Hemet in order to more quickly get to the whole reason you run Razakus in the first place - Raza + DK.  Without AB, Hemet makes no sense.  Without Hemet, AB makes no sense.  I am saying this specific version of Razakus works only because you use both Hemet and AB.  If you tried to throw AB into any other Razakus/Priest deck, it's probably just a bad meme.  If I tried to run the Hemet version of Razakus without AB, I most definitely would be losing more simply on fatigue and running out of resources.

tl;dr - AB is an awesome card in a very specific deck.  Super niche, but not just a joke.  Strong enough to hit legend for sure.  Not the only approach to Razakus, just one of many.

If I'm still missing your point, please explain it.  

Oh I gotcha.  I think?  I have no idea if this was the strongest version of Razakus or not.  Fortunately, that's not what I'm arguing for.  I'm simply saying AB is an awesome card and not just a meme, and that I was right that it would be strong in the right meta with the right tools (a way to draw your answers as fast as possible).  

Fair enough. It certainly has a (very) niche use in a deck that is competitive. If Mill Warrior really becomes a thing (IMO it's the 3rd best deck in the format right now), Hemet-AB could be the best way to counter it.

I mean.....if you don't even play the game anymore, your unfounded (salty) opinion holds little weight against my actual experience. 

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I mean.....if you don't even play the game anymore, your unfounded (salty) opinion holds little weight against my actual experience. 

 If the person that is not playing the game check the right sources with the meta decks, then yes his opinion have more weight than a dude that is desperate enough to consider personal experience "proof" of something.

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I mean.....if you don't even play the game anymore, your unfounded (salty) opinion holds little weight against my actual experience. 

 If the person that is not playing the game check the right sources with the meta decks, then yes his opinion have more weight than a dude that is desperate enough to consider personal experience "proof" of something.

 Did you check this source? https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/70j9br/legend_with_razakus_priest_feat_feral_hemet_and/

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I mean.....if you don't even play the game anymore, your unfounded (salty) opinion holds little weight against my actual experience. 

 If the person that is not playing the game check the right sources with the meta decks, then yes his opinion have more weight than a dude that is desperate enough to consider personal experience "proof" of something.

 Did you check this source? https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/70j9br/legend_with_razakus_priest_feat_feral_hemet_and/

My god... you can always find people who used certain cards to reach legend. Hell, you've even seen people reach legend with lakkari sacrifice. Archbishop Benedictus is a good card in certain situations but a terrible card in all aggro, and most midrange match ups. That makes him a situational card, and they are by definition not strong cards. Besides you can't play him until you've played Raza, and if he is he is one of your last cards Benedictus is a dead card.  Don't be stupid.

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I mean.....if you don't even play the game anymore, your unfounded (salty) opinion holds little weight against my actual experience. 

 If the person that is not playing the game check the right sources with the meta decks, then yes his opinion have more weight than a dude that is desperate enough to consider personal experience "proof" of something.

 Did you check this source? https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/70j9br/legend_with_razakus_priest_feat_feral_hemet_and/

My god... you can always find people who used certain cards to reach legend. Hell, you've even seen people reach legend with lakkari sacrifice. Archbishop Benedictus is a good card in certain situations but a terrible card in all aggro, and most midrange match ups. That makes him a situational card, and they are by definition not strong cards. Besides you can't play him until you've played Raza, and if he is he is one of your last cards Benedictus is a dead card.  Don't be stupid.

 By that logic, Shadowreaper Anduin is a situational card, since it's very bad against aggro.  Have you tried the Hemet + AB variant?  AB is an amazing card that makes Hemet viable.  

Oh no I'm not saying it's a must have for Priests or even for Razakus.  I'm saying I was right in that in the right meta (one that's not completely dominated by aggro) with the right cards (some of which hadn't yet been revealed.....like Shadowreaper Anduin), the card would be really strong.  If you had a way to draw your answers really quickly or cycle really quickly, Archbishop would be good because unlike Malchezar, people tend to put actually good cards in their deck. 

And I was right in that, with DK Anduin and Raza, being able to access your answers very quickly via Hemet, Archbishop refills your deck and even if the cards don't have Priest synergy, your entire remaining deck is not Priest anymore, and every card has "deal 2 damage to anything" attached to it.  I was right that with this set of circumstances, the card is good. 

That is all I'm saying.

edit: Have ranked up to 2 now with this "unplayable trash tier" card. 

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Oh no I'm not saying it's a must have for Priests or even for Razakus.  I'm saying I was right in that in the right meta (one that's not completely dominated by aggro) with the right cards (some of which hadn't yet been revealed.....

 Except that meta doesn't exists and will never exists, aggro is always at the top. And don't even compare this junk to Anduin DK, the latter is a legit powerful card that helped priest to keep up with bs like jade druid, the former is a useless card that is not competitive even in wild, a format that is even slower than standard.

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edit: Have ranked up to 2 now with this "unplayable trash tier" card. 

 Are you running Hemet too? Singles or doubles? 

Once the season restarts I really would like to try out a "2x of 3 cost cards, Highlander everything else" Hemet style deck with AB. 

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Oh no I'm not saying it's a must have for Priests or even for Razakus.  I'm saying I was right in that in the right meta (one that's not completely dominated by aggro) with the right cards (some of which hadn't yet been revealed.....

 Except that meta doesn't exists and will never exists, aggro is always at the top. And don't even compare this junk to Anduin DK, the latter is a legit powerful card that helped priest to keep up with bs like jade druid, the former is a useless card that is not competitive even in wild, a format that is even slower than standard.

 says the guy who by his own admission doesn't play anymore.

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edit: Have ranked up to 2 now with this "unplayable trash tier" card. 

 Are you running Hemet too? Singles or doubles? 

 yes, the whole reason to run AB is because you run Hemet to delete everything that isn't your big combo pieces and removal, play raza/dk, then drop AB to refill your deck.

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Once the season restarts I really would like to try out a "2x of 3 cost cards, Highlander everything else" Hemet style deck with AB.