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Should really be a 3 drop

Nothing makes it worth 4 mana, lots of others similars cards are 3 drops.

Not even a good arena card, stats wise it's too weak, and freeze random is arena is too dangerous, not to say you don't normally draft many low cost spells 

Blizzard balance, sometimes... *shrug*

 These "similars" you speak of don't have the potential to lock down the board.  Early game, yeah flamewaker is brutal.  Late game not as much.  Late game I'd take this over flamewaker hands down, unless i had 2 flamewakers and lots of tiny spells.  This card flat out lets you ignore whatever your opponent has on the board (save taunts) and lets you go face and gives you ice lance synergy to boot.

 Well in theory

But freeze needs spells and is random, let's not forget ... I don't see any decks where it would be a must pick. 

Some will try yeah, of course, but on the current meta this card is not useful, unless we get some drastic spell change to go with.

Freeze is used to gain some turns / mitigate damage or face kill before opponent kills you, it's not a current tempo mage card, it's not a freeze mage card, it's not even a control mage card. 

(Btw i never saw ice lance used on minion if not for desperate move, ice lance is only used in freeze mage right now, and preferably for burst. you don't want to have to ice lance a minion if possible)

Say hello to my little friend Shatter. This could be fun.

Shatter just made this card very very good

As several of us predicted, this useless card is seeing minimal play, and it dies far too quickly to justify the mana cost.

At least that has been my experience. I've seen opponents play it once or twice. It freezes one minion, then dies immediately. I'm always very happy to see someone take the huge tempo loss as they experiment with this dud.

Have others seen stronger results? I admit my sample size is meaningless in the grand scheme.

Not bad in a machine gun mage that gets tempo and pushes for face damage. 

Remember this card will only freeze unfrozen characters.   It will not waste a freeze on something it already hit.   Since I'm already running a ton of low cost spells and card draw in my flamewaker/yogg, I went ahead and put one in to try it out.   So far reasonable success.   Definitely not a star player but certainly not bad enough to want to replace (so far).  Allows my buffed wyrms and 6/3 to go face with impunity. 

Quote from JH24 >>

After trying it out for awhile, I have to admit it can work out quite well. I'm running one in a Yogg midrange/spell Mage and I was surprised how many times it allowed me to survive for a turn or two longer. Most of the time it was just enough to get out Yogg or to get my opponent into lethal range. 

Water elemental can freeze, but only on the next turns when it attacks.  Frostcaller can freeze multiple enemy minions the same turn it is played with the threat of continuing to freeze enemy's board while you are free to go face.  Fireball a one time removal not comparable, same with polymorph.  Not saying it is flamewaker or anything, but in the right deck (one with many low cost spells) it can work very well.

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Water elemental can freeze, but only on the next turns when it attacks...

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Water elemental can freeze, but only on the next turns when it attacks.  Frostcaller can freeze multiple enemy minions the same turn it is played with the threat of continuing to freeze enemy's board while you are free to go face.  Fireball a one time removal not comparable, same with polymorph.  Not saying it is flamewaker or anything, but in the right deck (one with many low cost spells) it can work very well.

 

Yes Water elemental is a better card overall, I'm not arguing that.  However they serve different purposes, Frostcaller can freeze multiple characters every turn, and unlike a single frost nova or blizzard it can continue to do it the next turn and the turn after that....unless it is removed.  However with counterspell/spellbender you can remove that option from the opponent as well.  Leaving the opponent unable to play any minions and unable to remove the frostcaller. 

Noxious spoke of the dangerous potential of this card with future releases enabling infinite freeze decks.  

I can't imagine a 2/4 for 4+ mana being a viable minion as it has too many conditions for an overvalued effect. You need to have enough mana, an appropriate spell, opponent can't have a populated board and have removal and you have to have appropriate spells for your next turn.

The effect should've been "Your spells freeze their targets". It would at least have enabled Ice Lance and Shatter and synergized with Arcane Missiles, Rhonin and Arcane Explosion.

Alternatively it could alter hero power to also freeze its target to synergize with many useless hero power centric TGT stuff.

All the naysayers are relying purely on speculation and theory and haven't actually tried it in a flamewaker style deck. 

There is a reason Blizzard gave it a weak stat line and made it 4 mana.   If it were 3 mana it would be overpowered. 

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All the naysayers are relying purely on speculation and theory and haven't actually tried it in a flamewaker style deck. 

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/539226-countess-legend-frostcaller

Seems this frostcaller deck got to legend.  Also I notice you say many people have tried it, have you tried it?  If not, your opinion carries no weight.  

Quote from DragonConsort >>

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/539226-countess-legend-frostcaller

Seems this frostcaller deck got to legend.  Also I notice you say many people have tried it, have you tried it?  If not, your opinion carries no weight.  

 

Quote from DragonConsort >>

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/539226-countess-legend-frostcaller

Seems this frostcaller deck got to legend.  Also I notice you say many people have tried it, have you tried it?  If not, your opinion carries no weight.