Been playing HS on and off for quite some time, and I can never seem to break Rank 10. I usually power through R15 in a breeze. And then I hover at 12-15.
I play three specific decks on a daily basis, linked below. I have made slight changes to all three decks, but they represent the basics of what I am playing with.
My biggest issue is coming down to card draw, I find I'll go several games in a row where it seems I cannot seem to draw anything to save myself. I know, there are elements in the game that you cannot change with RNG. But surely there is something I am missing in my gameplay. I'll mulligan for the smart 1-2 or 3 cost drops, focus on board control, etc... But I don't know how to save a bad starting hand...
I was rank 5 last month, so take this with a grain of salt: for one, rank 12 is actually very good. Every deck has a bad matchup or two. Don't get frustrated by losing. Seriously that has been what I've focused on more than anything and that was good for moving up 7 ranks from rank 12 two months ago to rank 5 last month.
Been playing HS on and off for quite some time, and I can never seem to break Rank 10.
Have you considered whether you could play more regularly?
In the rest of your post you talk about decks and game play. They are important and one should always try to improve them, sure, but there's also a third factor: play enough games. As I see it, earned rank is the result of multiplying these three variables, so if one is too low, it will hinder your progress.
Speaking in general, you might be better off simply increasing the lower value rather than hyper-optimizing what's already OK.
The only advice I can give you is to just watch streamers and get better. There is no 1 secret advice that would have allowed you to get to rank 5. You just need to play the deck you enjoy playing and just try to think about every possible outcome before making any move.
Try to follow these rules maybe it will help:
mulligan for 1,2,3 drops. If a 3 drop is weak then dont keep it. You should keep only the strongest 3 mana minions unless you already have your 1 and 2 drop. You can also keep a 4 drop if say you have strong 1 and 2 drop.
turns 1-3 in hearthstone are usually most important in a whole match up. When there are at least 2 possibilities for starting a game, you need to think very hard about which play will be the strongest, considering your opponents next move. This is extremely imporatnt.
b4 clearing a board with AOE ask yourself if the current board state is threatening enough. Sometimes people tend to use their board clears for some useless tokens because they are scared of the board size instead of its actual power.
try to play on curve whenever possible. Usually playing on curve is the strongest and most correct move. Its not only that minions of a specific cost are designed to be played on this specific turn. Often times if you dont paly on curve you will be missing some mana later on. So even tho playing 2 x 2 drops on turn 4 might look stronger for the given board state it might cause you losing tempo on later turns with 1 mana hanging. Its just easier to squeeze a 2 drop to fill your mana than a 4 drop.
know when to go all in. Sometimes people are trying to sneak in some cheap dmg holding on to some 2 or 3 mana minions in hand being scared of a board clear. When doing so ask yourself if you will be able to win with what you will have left in hand. Maybe overextending on a board is your only way to victory.
placement matters against mages
know when greed is good. Sometimes there is a good play available. But say youre almost sure that on next turn it will be even twice that good. Doing so you need to be sure youre on high enough HP level or if there wont be any paly from your opponent totally cutting out your plan for accumulating more value. Soemtihng similar also applies to discovering cards. Usually, the strongest card should be the correct choice but look at your hand and check if the additional value is even needed.
plan your moves atleast 1 turn ahead. Dont only make a move considering current board state. Maneuver the game in such way that you wont be surprised every time your opponent ends his turn.
Another very imporatnt thing if you ask me, is replying your latest match up in your head to see where you made a game losing mistake. Try to remember whether there was any turn you had more than 1 play possible. From this point imagine if taking a different line of play would have changed a result of a game. If yes, then the move you decided to make was incorrect most of the times.
I guess there is much more but maybe this will help a little.
Before I say anything, for skill level reference, I currently hit rank 5 every month but have never gone above rank 2. That said:
You may want to ask someone to coach you. I have done it for several of my friends who have been new to the game, for example, and it helped them learn enough to get from 20 to 15, and one friend from 15 to 10. There is so much advice that can be given as there are so many aspects to consider, and its hard to know what your particular issue may be without seeing you play a bunch of games.
Without seeing you play, I'd say do your best to pick a strong deck and continually play it to truly learn your matchups inside and out. Bad draws and perfect opponent hands definitely happen, but in the end, especially with winstreaks, you should be able to pull through. Its also ok to realize that certain matchups will often be a near automatic loss - for example, last month my dragon priest against aggro druid was generally unwinnable unless I drew perfect, so I wouldnt agonize over those losses.
Because of that, try and pick a deck that has few bad matchups. Even if you pick a very strong deck that has a single bad matchup - say, Pirate Warrior - if that one bad matchup is a very common deck, you might have a hard time.
For what its worth, if you have the cards, Pirate Warrior can get to 10 fairly quickly, if you enjoy aggro and dont find it to be an unsavory deck! The game is usually over one way or another by turn 6-8, so your games are quick... if you maintain a generally positive winrate, you'll advance more quickly than something that takes 2-3x as long to complete a match.
Anyways, best of luck, and I still say try and find a player to coach you. Having someone willing to watch your matches and decision making in real time is a HUGE help. Having someone there to offer other points of view on a situation or point out things you perhaps arent seeing is the best way to improve.
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
Thanks again!
I'd like to coach you at no charge as I've gotten bored with the current meta. PM me. I will be available tonight at 7pm EST.
Qualifications: Legend player, high school teacher, patient, invested, communicable.
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
Thanks again!
Very nice of zmauls to offer to coach you! I was going to say, there are definitely plenty of good players out there who would be happy to help you for free.
There are two people I highly recommend on youtube (I always just watch youtube highlights, never watch full twitch streams). These are two well known top pro players.
Strifecro is my favorite player to learn from. If you just go to his videos section, there are generally 1-2 new videos uploaded each day. Strifecro tends to play a lot of top meta decks, so if you want to see decks played that are very relevant to the current meta, he's your guy. I also think that he is the absolute best to learn from. He is constantly explaining his thought process about every decision he makes, and he does it clearly and concisely. I have learned so much from watch him.
Firebat is a great player who also plays strong decks and has new youtube videos uploaded once or twice a day. That said, he also plays some fun and experimental decks at high level, or will make a crazy deck specifically to pull off some insane or creative combo, which is very entertaining to watch.
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T waste your money on coaching man, a lot of this game is pure RNG and even when you think you know your decks like the back of your hand, you'll still lose a solid amount of winnable games.
However, breaking to rank 10 isn't too hard, so you definitely need to improve some things:
You mentioned that you made slight changes to those decks. While it may mostly be the same, if you are changing cards like Living Mana in aggro druid, or not putting in 2 primordial drakes, those cards are so key that the deck won't work as well.
Also look at the tips that TallAr92 provided, those are some solid tips to follow.
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
Thanks again!
Very nice of zmauls to offer to coach you! I was going to say, there are definitely plenty of good players out there who would be happy to help you for free.
There are two people I highly recommend on youtube (I always just watch youtube highlights, never watch full twitch streams). These are two well known top pro players.
Strifecro is my favorite player to learn from. If you just go to his videos section, there are generally 1-2 new videos uploaded each day. Strifecro tends to play a lot of top meta decks, so if you want to see decks played that are very relevant to the current meta, he's your guy. I also think that he is the absolute best to learn from. He is constantly explaining his thought process about every decision he makes, and he does it clearly and concisely. I have learned so much from watch him.
Firebat is a great player who also plays strong decks and has new youtube videos uploaded once or twice a day. That said, he also plays some fun and experimental decks at high level, or will make a crazy deck specifically to pull off some insane or creative combo, which is very entertaining to watch.
Started watching some of the videos on Strifeco's channel, awesome stuff! And some of those combos from Firebat's are hilarious. :p
For how long have you been playing? I have been playing for 2 years now and I have never been legend. I have been 2 wins off though.
I have been playing on and off since release, I find I play it heavily for a couple months after each new expansion. But this is the first time I actually want to climb higher on the ladder. Before all of this, I just liked to mess around.
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
Thanks again!
I could help you without getting any money. I am helping many of my friends and i could easily help you too.
i have come to legend rank three seasons in a row. and i have been there as a total 8 times. My best legend rank is 106.
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T waste your money on coaching man, a lot of this game is pure RNG and even when you think you know your decks like the back of your hand, you'll still lose a solid amount of winnable games.
However, breaking to rank 10 isn't too hard, so you definitely need to improve some things:
You mentioned that you made slight changes to those decks. While it may mostly be the same, if you are changing cards like Living Mana in aggro druid, or not putting in 2 primordial drakes, those cards are so key that the deck won't work as well.
Also look at the tips that TallAr92 provided, those are some solid tips to follow.
Its stressful, But the reason you are stuck could be because you are not taking note of the common mistakes you make. Also understand the deck you are playing ( by watching other play it or reading guides) and you should rank up pretty fast.
All the decks you mentioned are tier million... play murloc paladin, burst mage, secret mage even... or even lyra priest... these you mentioned just suck
Been playing HS on and off for quite some time, and I can never seem to break Rank 10. I usually power through R15 in a breeze. And then I hover at 12-15.
I play three specific decks on a daily basis, linked below. I have made slight changes to all three decks, but they represent the basics of what I am playing with.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/835327-live-aggro-73-wr-rank-5-legend
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/828327-70-win-rate-silence-priest-rampdate2020.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/788062-sjows-taunt-warrior-quest
My biggest issue is coming down to card draw, I find I'll go several games in a row where it seems I cannot seem to draw anything to save myself. I know, there are elements in the game that you cannot change with RNG. But surely there is something I am missing in my gameplay. I'll mulligan for the smart 1-2 or 3 cost drops, focus on board control, etc... But I don't know how to save a bad starting hand...
Any advice would help? :P
I like stuff. And THINGS!
I was rank 5 last month, so take this with a grain of salt: for one, rank 12 is actually very good. Every deck has a bad matchup or two. Don't get frustrated by losing. Seriously that has been what I've focused on more than anything and that was good for moving up 7 ranks from rank 12 two months ago to rank 5 last month.
Rank 12 doesn't feel like it, but it's actually above average. If you're hell-bent on going further, perhaps splurge on some coaching?
The only advice I can give you is to just watch streamers and get better. There is no 1 secret advice that would have allowed you to get to rank 5. You just need to play the deck you enjoy playing and just try to think about every possible outcome before making any move.
Try to follow these rules maybe it will help:
I guess there is much more but maybe this will help a little.
Before I say anything, for skill level reference, I currently hit rank 5 every month but have never gone above rank 2. That said:
You may want to ask someone to coach you. I have done it for several of my friends who have been new to the game, for example, and it helped them learn enough to get from 20 to 15, and one friend from 15 to 10. There is so much advice that can be given as there are so many aspects to consider, and its hard to know what your particular issue may be without seeing you play a bunch of games.
Without seeing you play, I'd say do your best to pick a strong deck and continually play it to truly learn your matchups inside and out. Bad draws and perfect opponent hands definitely happen, but in the end, especially with winstreaks, you should be able to pull through. Its also ok to realize that certain matchups will often be a near automatic loss - for example, last month my dragon priest against aggro druid was generally unwinnable unless I drew perfect, so I wouldnt agonize over those losses.
Because of that, try and pick a deck that has few bad matchups. Even if you pick a very strong deck that has a single bad matchup - say, Pirate Warrior - if that one bad matchup is a very common deck, you might have a hard time.
For what its worth, if you have the cards, Pirate Warrior can get to 10 fairly quickly, if you enjoy aggro and dont find it to be an unsavory deck! The game is usually over one way or another by turn 6-8, so your games are quick... if you maintain a generally positive winrate, you'll advance more quickly than something that takes 2-3x as long to complete a match.
Anyways, best of luck, and I still say try and find a player to coach you. Having someone willing to watch your matches and decision making in real time is a HUGE help. Having someone there to offer other points of view on a situation or point out things you perhaps arent seeing is the best way to improve.
General reply, but I've ready all the of the comments. :)
I will look into coaching as it seems like a decent option, as I feel like I keep going against hard counters to the decks I play, preventing a decent win streak. Any coaches come to mind that they'd recommend?
I haven't followed anyone on YouTube or twitch, does anyone have a couple of people they'd recommend?
Thanks again!
I like stuff. And THINGS!
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T waste your money on coaching man, a lot of this game is pure RNG and even when you think you know your decks like the back of your hand, you'll still lose a solid amount of winnable games.
However, breaking to rank 10 isn't too hard, so you definitely need to improve some things:
You mentioned that you made slight changes to those decks. While it may mostly be the same, if you are changing cards like Living Mana in aggro druid, or not putting in 2 primordial drakes, those cards are so key that the deck won't work as well.
Also look at the tips that TallAr92 provided, those are some solid tips to follow.
I like stuff. And THINGS!
Its stressful, But the reason you are stuck could be because you are not taking note of the common mistakes you make. Also understand the deck you are playing ( by watching other play it or reading guides) and you should rank up pretty fast.
Problem is you, i get to rank 5 in both wild and standard just by doing quests. It is easy.
All the decks you mentioned are tier million... play murloc paladin, burst mage, secret mage even... or even lyra priest... these you mentioned just suck
I got rank 15 in June but now I seem to be stuck going back and forth between rank 17 and 20
Wassup Geare,
I'd be happy to coach in the next few days. Just add me. My tag is Urbain#1747
I've been playing since launch, easily reach rank 5 every month, and I've reached legend before.
Cheers!