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I agree, but with the exception of Jade Blossom, which I would like to be made a 4 mana spell. Too many people use this with The Coin + Wild Growth -> Jade Blossom or Innervate + Jade Blossom -> Jade Blossom. This would make a lot of Jade Druid openers slower, which allows for aggro/midrange decks to push for more damage early and Control decks to have more time to play Skulking Geist.
As for the Innervate discussion, while I think the card represents a big design constraint and has a game-breaking impact in some cases, I don't think its the reason Jade Druid is as out of control as it is now. Nerfs to that card will hit the hardest Aggro/Ramp Druid, but Jade Druid suffers its loss much less than other archetypes (it has a low curve, compared to stuff like Ramp Druid, and a lot of its cheap cards generate huge boards), and I happen to think that that is the most problematic archetype right now (Aggro Druid is certainly strong, but it doesn't warp the meta around itself). Innervate is still probably going to be nerfed/rotated at some point, but I would like Blizzard to take some time to introduce tools for Druid to be able to handle the change (maybe some new decent single target removal, more consistent early game slow ramp, considering Jade Blossom and Mire Keeper will rotate next, etc.). Ramp Druid strategies have been traditionally inconsistent with just Innervate and Wild Growth as the early game ramp cards, removing one of the two (which is what both a nerf/rotation would achieve) would make the archetype unplayable at least for the moment.
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http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/28947-group-therapy-need-to-blow-off-steam-mega-salty
While your criticism is valid, there are more constructive ways to talk about this and there are probably threads for it already.
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I am not sure if you are aware, but MSG rotates out in ~8 months, and KFT/UNG in ~20 months with Classic cards, theoretically, forever in the Standard. Now I am also going to assume that you aren't going to play a lot of Wild, since as a returning player it can be pretty hard to build a large Wild Collection, if you have been gone long at least. Obviously the more some cards are in Standard the better value they represent, so Classic cards are more valuable than MSG cards to an extent.
The second factor that is also important is to know how many of the missing cards from both sets do you need. This needs to be weighted based on rarities, e.g. its much easier to legendaries you want in a set due to the no duplicates rules so if you want a lot more legendaries from a specific set compared to all others, you're much better off buying from that set. If you need much more from MSG than Classic then MSG is still better even if it represents less value in the long run.
This is more of a personal decision since while I would recommend Classic, it could be that you want to play more with the missing MSG cards rather than the missing Classic cards in your collection, in which case MSG is better for you.
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When doing a realistic analysis of the situation we should be making assessments based on cards that are actually good and playable (and this excludes DOOM! and Mind Control, which are very situational and only played when they can somehow be abused through Bloodbloom and Medivh, the Guardian, respectively).
Thus let's focus on the other 10 mana cards you mentioned.
Pyroblast needs build around and is played in a burn strategy, which revolves around lowering your opponent's health as much as possible and then finishing them off with this card, so the drawback of a lost turn is not a real drawback since you are abusing the fact your opponent has no next turn. Even if you don't use it to close a game, you have Ice Block, which guarantees you don't get punished for playing this card followed perhaps by a second Pyroblast the next turn for a total amount of 20 damage. Sure the card requires some build-around, but it gives you the reach you need to win.
Anyfin Can Happen is the most control crushing card in the game with the right deck design, allowing for OTK, which unlike card advantage actually wins you the game on the spot.
Ultimate Infestation - as it is right now it is very strong, but the only realistic nerf I can see is to lower everything by 1 on the card. However, if they do that its likely this card will only become more playable, because it is easier to manage drawing 4 then 5. There is value and then there is too much value. The reason why this card is being talked about so much is simply, because Jade Druid can use this card excessively well. Decks that want to run this are heavy-curved decks (or at least decks that play single big minions), since an aggro deck isn't looking to push the game to 10 mana. Now the problem with Jade Druid and UI together is that you can cast this, proceed to empty your hand with 2 - 3 cards that generate insanely big minions, the golems, and so they convert their card advantage, provided by UI, to board advantage that is hard for most opponents to come back from. On its own though this card is unlikely to win games. I also want to say this, using the argument you never play this on turn 10 doesn't tell me much. As Druid you are supposed to do that if you are playing a Ramp strategy, though atm we do have a lot of Ramp cards and Jade Druid, which make this card that much more frustrating and unfortunately both these problems resolve themselves on the next rotation, in about 8 months and that is what is unacceptable, because 8 months of any deck dominating the game isn't healthy. To confirm what I am saying you merely need play some Ramp Druid with 2 UIs and you will be able to tell that these are both a bit clunky and reduce your draw consistency early, which to Ramp Druid is essential, because playing from behind is hard for them. UI is not a win condition, but combo and Jade Druid can utilize it very effectively to advance their win condition, thus making this much different compared to the other two cards you used as examples.
I am not saying UI is not very strong or that the individual effects don't cost much more than 10 mana, but any 10 mana cards must have an insane effect that costs much more than the linear value of 10 mana, because it damages your draw consistency and require you sacrifice a whole turn.
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@booganzoth
I agree with a lot of what you said, but I also wanted to add that I think this will often be the case with the 2nd expansion of each cycle. To elaborate, I don't expect the 2nd expansions of each cycle to be as impactful as the 1st and 3rd ones. Typically the 1st expansion will be introduced at times when the power level of the decks drops the most overall and so its much more likely for new archetypes to find a place in the meta and be competitive. If the 2nd expansion is designed to be on a similar power level than I think its less likely to impact the meta as much, because a good chunk of already competitively viable archetypes are in the mix and if any cards in the 2nd expansion of a cycle aid those decks they will only become stronger (due to both the decks already having been strong and also because people are more experienced in piloting pre-existing decks) and let's not forget that its much cheaper to upgrade a list than to craft an entirely new one. On the 3rd expansion I think they choose to take more risks introducing some very powerful cards, since those will anyway remain in rotation for the smallest period of time (~ 16 months) as we saw with MSG, which means that 3rd expansions of a cycle are more likely to have an impact on the state of the game than the 2nd.
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Then don't play the match 9 million times. To do that thought you'd have to at least be decent at the game and know how to build a deck, much easier to come here and cry about how you should be gifted half the legendaries of an expansion with little to no effort. Talk about entitled little brats. If you want the DKs craft them or open enough packs to get them all, you aren't entitled to anything and if you don't like it you know where the uninstall button is.
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First off, that's not how copies work in hearthstone. Typically when you receive a copy of a minion you get back the baseline minion (no buffs/no modifications) unless otherwise stated in the card (e.g. Shadowcaster always gives a 1 mana 1/1 copy to your hand). Second, I don't understand how your scenario works, so we would still need some clarifications. If you went Stitched Tracker into Prince Keleseth and then played him immediately you wouldn't get the buff, since you have a 2 mana card in your deck (the original Prince Keleseth). On the other hand, if you did draw the original Prince Keleseth and played him before the copy, the original wouldn't get buffed either so you shouldn't expect the copy to get a buff anyway (regardless of how you might initially perceive copies to work).
I think I may be missing something here so could you please go into more detail if your question hasn't been answered?
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Started right before GvG (November 2014).
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