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If what you are trying to said is: "Well everyone have something unfair to play and Priest is the class with the less unfair stuff cause Dev team dont want to support stealth minions or go hero power anymore, neither infinite value for play control so what is the problem with Big Priest?" You get a point. Sadly Resurrection is the only mechanic in priest that only priest can abuse fast enough to win games in Wild. They nerf infinite hero power priest and combo priest is pretty easy to dealt with in wild.
I am not a fan of Big Priest. Even when i am a priest main but yeah in standard almost every priest main was forced to change to Shaman or Warrior for control and removal focus decks because dev team still dont want to support the old control tools of Priest (after 2 years almost). I am still waiting to see when they will stop supporting Armor stuff for 2 years or something similar in warrior or good midrange stuff in shaman.
So i can tell you why people is disgusting about the deck: Is too easy to play and too hard to play around. Its no that "is hard to beat" its more like your decisions dont really matter against the deck in the long term. Its all about luck. Any deck that depends only into get some luck and play nothing but removal and cheating big stuff (or any kind of busted stuff) early enough to win its even worse than aggro matches. Because atleast forces you to make better plays or thing. The aggro play can play super brainless (or not, aggro need skill to play) but you cant, you always need to think how much damage you can take, how many value trades can afford, how much time can you hold a board wipe. Big Priest match is a lot more linear: you play your stuff the fastest you can and try to prevent big stuff from dying before you can transform them into bad minions (if you can) or play to win before some big taunts hit the board.
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They are not incompetent. They just dont want to support Priest control tools right now. This his happening for long time and priest is not the first class that become "lets puch something different each expansion in this class untill we get to something interesting and stop right here for 1 or 2 years" The first one was hunter and right after was Warlock AND after was Shaman.
Dev team have a clear mind about this stuff: not like to support evergreen decks for each class in the game. So for example in some point they will stuff supporting elementals and minion care spells in Mage. Spells in hunter. Taunts in druid. And change to something more diverse for a time and people will notice how X or Y class become weaker. It has some logic i guess even when i dont like when they do it for more than 2 expansions in a row.
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Nope. Resurrect is more broken. You can tech against others mechanics pretty easy but there is only 2 ways to counter resurrect: Transform minions or take those minions for you. RNG dont count as a counter for me.
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I dont know you and i dont know about your threads probably (or i know? i have bad memory for somethings anyway) but even if you have some reason about people being toxic which is pretty hard to tell because "toxic" is a very diverse concept well in my opinion you are toxic too. You literally open a thread without nothing more to said that "this game is just agro agro agro agro and one control deck so i will uninstall the game" that no sounds like something that you said when you like a game.
People here is not the best i mean just look me. I dont talk english properly so is hard for me to explain myself for example, that should be very annoying for half of the people that read my posts but still no one is telling me something like "oh god learn some english or begon plz" or something like that. My point: "even here" people can be tolerant but, how can they be tolerant with someone that open a thread only for despice the game they like?
This game is not perfect, there is not perfect card games. Sometimes is pretty annoying like the como meta when Druid literally only play one core package with different win conditions and that were all their decks (and all of them were good enough to be tier 2 to 1) and what the other options were? more combo decks Mage combo, Priest combo, Shaman "combo", Paladin combo and only 3 agro decks (zoo, odd pala, tempo rogue). One of the worst meta in this game literally atleast for me.
in that time there was a lot of threads about that being a problem and even that this people that you call "toxic" were open to talk and give their opinions. Maybe you are not wrong, maybe there is a lot of toxic people here, i cant tell but you are way more toxic and the reason is pretty simple: you dont like this game and talk only to prove that "this game is bad and is just about agro" there is nothing to learn about that type of talking. Sorry.
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I am playing my own version of control priest this expansion but also silent priest and control shaman. Building decks is fun and is a process that i love but in a very competitive meta game you need to know the limits of your building skill and the amount of cards you have. Create a legendary or epic card for playtesting is expensive already for some players (for me hurts like hell becuase i F2P for persona reasons) and there is a lot of new decks ideas for persons that already have all the card of the expansion and they are already on Legend but you probably dont match that people if you are wrinting this. People in Ladder uses ladder decks.
How can you win against the meta decks with your own idea if you dont try it again and again for teching and replacing some cards? in the end your original idea will transform into a meta deck pretty much everytime. People that "copy" decks are just cutting the testing of the process. You know pretty much that you need a way to counter big value in this meta for example even when is very limited for only 4 classes, like Warrior or Shaman, but you also need removal or ways to generate big cards on mid game to counter Mage. All this "you need..." will let you to a meta deck or something similar to that. So its not like "people is not original" is more like "people know that they will face this and this and this" they need to play something that not super lose to meta decks, in short, other meta decks
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Preparation was such an out tempo play in a lot of combos. Yes the point of Rogue is cheap and make unfair plays before your oponent get enough cards in hand or mana. But that not means that it card was as unbalance as innervate or Kill comand or Hex (when cost 3) or ice block or excute or equality. The card just let you make something that your oponent cant play around and regardless what happens next you get a lot of tempo from it so make it a little worse for big spells seems find. Yes it hurts a lot in this moment but next Rogue card can fix that. Or next buff to Rogue cause Blizzard show us that they are very open to reduce mana cost as buff.
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This was the first thing i said. I know how the game works but how many time will past for priest get support in one of their ever green stuff like take control of downpower minions or healing or generate value in late game? only Lazul scheme seems focus on this and is not the first time Blizzards avoid arguely support evergreen stuff of this class more than other classes. Even priest always get combo enablers and good spells generators from other classes. I dont want to play the same deck forever like never, that is why i dont play Wild but when i seem literally any other class everyone feels like they almost get 4 cards that support the class in general and Priest feels more like they try to avoid give them the same treatment because "it was too strong" or "it was not fun" get rekt by that stuff.
I dont have a real problem becuase i can afford (and i craft for this set) Control Shaman, actually i just open the Threat becuase how similar the game plan feel to Control Priest in the past. One deck that i pilot for almost 2 years before change to control Druid with Fandral, one of my favorite decks in the format of that time actually.
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They could actually push something like more minion care midrange or control with Shaman becuase the class cares about Battlecrys and that stuff. That sounds good too right?
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For long time i was questioning myself about the directions of the classes. I am very aware about how the game works: not every class (except maybe Warrior) retains the same gameplan orientation each year. But even with that in mind i cant understand why Blizzard literally choose to become Shaman in the new "classic priest style" class. I am not only talking about the fact that Shaman get always the best healing options but now even the Shaman minions feels like Priest minions in terms of mechanics. Even Hero Hagatha is obviusly base on Anduyn DK (repeat your hero power every time you do something).
I will put my hands in the fire and declare that this is actually the reason why priest is so bad this expansions in terms of control gameplan and survavility. Its not weird to thing that if the dev team already design something like Walking Fountain for shaman or Witch's Brew they will try to avoid to make other good healing shenanigans in other classes specially when Druid was already choose to be the second "control" or more like "combo" class with healing stuff this expansion. But as i said this is not just about Rise of Shadows this is something that is hapenning since the very begin of the year of the Raven. And actually feels a little bad because Priest have not enough tools to make their hero power even worthy to use since that, it fails as a tempo class, also fails as a aggro class and is not that great as a combo class (atleast some OTK with big heal minions still works).
I am not implying that Priest cant be other thing than control but they hero power and classic/basic cards are designed to be a Last Long class and right now feels like fails so hard in that.
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Dust her. I will probably not dust her only becuase my only deck for this meta (control shaman) dont cares about the nerf and well i need the card for the value end. BUT even i feel that i can to dust her for try other cards. But i dont know even what cards i want to try next. That is why i craft Zayle in first place when i return to the game. Nice card.
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i dont said that you have a good point about making better stuff or keep in mind some stuff that is why even when this would not be a combo oriented meta like the last one the create a card that was designed totally to try to mess with spell base combos. But the point is not "nerfed conjurer calling because there is not answer now" Conjurers Calling is a very problematic card just by design. You can combo off with 5 mana and get tons of value from some plays and there is not answers to big boards in this moment. What they will do? print a super strong AoE? seems pretty bad solution because, againt, this is not an long term meta. There is not more ways to win without a board and all decks care a lot of their minions because there is not more infinite resource cards aside from an limited number of optiones like Dr Boom.
Big value cards were not problematic in the past because everyone have acces to infinite stuff. I complain A LOT about last rotation for that. None game except against Paladin was about put presure or even care about the board status. This is not that meta. Any card that proposes something similar needs to be a little more harder to combo because now is not just mid range hunter or odd paladin or zoo locks the ones that are hopeless vs massive stuff. Every class is hopeless to big combos right now.
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This is half wrong. Card games cares A LOT about changes. Look MTG, YuGiOh and Vanguard for example. The last one even create the standard format excluding ALL THE CARDS that were in the game before the release of the format. In yu gi oh konami always hit the most powerfull decks when a new expansion is release (sometimes after 2 expansions) regardless of the cost of the deck. MTG change the standard format every time they can, new expansions are always filled with mechanics that not play with the old ones. Only Eternal Formats like Modern or Legacy keep the stuff in the same spot "forever" (and even in those formats there is a ban list).
Card Games are about changes. That is the reason for making standard and eternal formats. No one wants to play against the same deck forever and, also, is not good for the business that the same deck can be playe forever without changes.
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sorry but this is not a card game with counter-spells (not talking about the mage secret). Dont expect for people stop checking the combo decks as problems when the combo enabler is too easy to cast into an almost imposible situation. Right now mage can put 4 absurly state minions on board when standard decks cant dealt with big board. Conjurer is not the only card (the one that summon two 6 cost minions can hit the 5/12 but is the fastest spells to do it so...you really wish that card remains untouched all season?.
You have 2 cards that work in the same way but the one that cost more cant be use as ward removal and can only get you minion of one cost. If dev team designed Power of Creation with 8 mana in mind there is not reason for keeping Conjurers Calling on 3. Both cards have the same board impact and the second one is also better...
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Not exactly. Lets put what he said in other Terms. When everyone have access to combo winning decks that dont care about your armor or your amount of resources Dr. Boom was "not broken" - Last expansion DK heroes was not the only thing that we lose. Most of the OTK decks become useless or rotate. That is the true reason why now people finally finds that one card that give every single minion in your deck (cause almost every minion you play on late game are mech) rush and also give you multiple options of hero power is a little too much. If you compare Dr Boom with Aghata for example your will find that the Shaman hero is a lot worse cause you cant go infinite with her and neither decide or have a notion of what kind of valueshe will give to you. Also technically speaking you "lose" your Hero power for a pasive effect that only triggers IF you spend mana playing a minion. You cant control if you use this pasive or not.
DK Heroes (the playable ones atleast) provide a similar Value. If i need to Choose what Heroe card is the better in a top 5 i will but DK rexxar and Dr Boom in the same spot at first place and DK jaina in the second spot when DK anduyn go for the 3rd becuase he cant go infinite anymore. Heroes that give you infinite resources that you can control in some way are by far very restrictive cards against any deck that cares about winning with Minions and now that there is no suck a thing like consistent OTK decks the ony way to effectively counter this effects is put massive threats on board that your opponent cant dealt with which is pretty unlikely to happen if you consider that warrior IS THE BEST class for dealing with minions.
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I have an unpopular opinion right here: People said that "some cards are just bad is not crazy to buff them" but for me is more like, some cards are just too slow or bad value because other cards are stricly faster (or better). Buff one card will make others cards of the same slot worse because this card becomes better.
Buffing or Nerfing cards is not a "solution" there is not such a thing like a "solution" when there is not a problem in first play. When you play one game, any kind of game, there is always a "worse" and a "better" - In fighting games for example there is always attacks that are just too easy to punish to use them even when they look super good. Dev team job is not making everything useful but secure that some decks and some cards see play or rotate from competitive play one time or another. Some cards will never see play? yes but those where designed to be flavorful like the twisted versions of the minions in Whispers of the old gods.
If you make every card playable you will generate more problems than solutions because one class will have always better cards than other classes and if everyone get good stuff that class becomes even better sooner or later, you will buff that "OP class" in the same way you buff the weaker classes.
That is why when they buff cards almost never change their effects or dont touch too much stats or cost (only when a card is pretty interesting they really push that card to a better place like Morrigan for example reducing her mana cost by 2 is obviusly because how the card works with Plot Twist).
Nerf easier to control by far because you are just making one deck worse. But is not an okay deck or a okay class, its always an strong class or card. And yes that hurts other decks sometime but the one that suffer the most is the one that cause the nerf.