You guys don't even get BMs. "Well played" means "well played"--the sentiment is obvious.* Even if you got romped, almost no one uses Well Played ironically--that's that Greetings is for. If you get a "Heh, Greetings" as they come over for lethal? Yeah, get salty, they are messing with you.
*Exception: multiple Well Playeds--that's sass.
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That's easy. People who think "Well Played" is BM do so because they are used to BM with it themselves. So they kind of expect that the opponent does the same. I always say "WP" at the end of a match, because it's etiquette. I never mean it sarcastic. The only exceptions are games, where the opponent ropes me or BM. Then I just ignore him and finish the game.
The OP is exaggerating to add zest to his 'argument', so much so, in fact, I suspect he delights in tormenting his opponents with emotes. Fair enough.
Depending on the actual context and order of the actions you describe, it seems to me that a winner, acting as a good sport, should not initiate an emote, like 'well played'. period.
Why? because 'well played' at very least sounds more like 'I win!' or 'game over', especially when directly preceding the killing blow. In fact, this is how it is used and what it really means in this Hearthstone context.
Moreover, no one losing a match likes to be 'congratulated' for losing, no matter how they played, if that 'congratulation' is unsolicited.
Why? because it comes off as condescension, not 'being sportsmanlike'. For a good sport, winning the match is enough. period. It is always a choice to be a dick and rub it in, just don't expect the 'good sport' award.
The argument that 'people can interpret the emote the way they want' is BS too, unless your opponent is a known friend. Of course they can 'self-interpret', but the point is about good sportsmanship and good manners, both of which require one to be circumspect about one's own behavior. This means one considers how someone might interpret your emote.
Consider if you don't emote. Would the loser say to himself, 'That dick!. He didn't recognize my valiant struggle.' I don't think so.
That being said we all know etiquette and manners are games in and of themselves. One can approach them earnestly or not so much.
The OP is being disingenuous expressing incredulity. Anyone with the experience and intelligence to post a 'question' like this one knows exactly whats happening in this dynamic and actually wants affirmation and 'permission' to be a jerk. Fair enough.
No idea. I faced sjow twice last weekend. Once, I got terrible draws and lost, he emoted Well Played. The next day, he got terrible draws and lost, I emoted well played and he got really pissed. Its one emote???
The OP is exaggerating to add zest to his 'argument', so much so, in fact, I suspect he delights in tormenting his opponents with emotes. Fair enough.
Depending on the actual context and order of the actions you describe, it seems to me that a winner, acting as a good sport, should not initiate an emote, like 'well played'. period.
Why? because 'well played' at very least sounds more like 'I win!' or 'game over', especially when directly preceding the killing blow. In fact, this is how it is used and what it really means in this Hearthstone context.
Moreover, no one losing a match likes to be 'congratulated' for losing, no matter how they played, if that 'congratulation' is unsolicited.
Why? because it comes off as condescension, not 'being sportsmanlike'. For a good sport, winning the match is enough. period. It is always a choice to be a dick and rub it in, just don't expect the 'good sport' award.
The argument that 'people can interpret the emote the way they want' is BS too, unless your opponent is a known friend. Of course they can 'self-interpret', but the point is about good sportsmanship and good manners, both of which require one to be circumspect about one's own behavior. This means one considers how someone might interpret your emote.
Consider if you don't emote. Would the loser say to himself, 'That dick!. He didn't recognize my valiant struggle.' I don't think so.
That being said we all know etiquette and manners are games in and of themselves. One can approach them earnestly or not so much.
The OP is being disingenuous expressing incredulity. Anyone with the experience and intelligence to post a 'question' like this one knows exactly whats happening in this dynamic and actually wants affirmation and 'permission' to be a jerk. Fair enough.
How does "Well Played" sound more like "I win" or "Game Over"? You need a little bit more justification than that. I can say red cars look like blue cars and that doesn't make it true.
"Well Played" is not congratulating. It's the equivalent of saying "he was a good man" in somebody's funeral. Only the utmost intolerable pessimist would find that offensive.
a refutation of the argument with a side of ad hominem is not an argument. In fact many red cars do look like blue cars - i suspect most manufacturers make the same model with different colors, no?
You are correct 'well played', especially when said directly before the killing blow is not congratulatory. Your comparison bolsters my point despite the fact your analogy is poor. Ostensibly, there is a live human being across the table from you when playing Hearthstone. Assuming one is an earnest good sport, you would treat that person with respect, which means considering his/her feelings. That person is not dead or at a funeral - they have just played a video game with you.
My suggestion to you would be to re-read my statements and try to think about the general thrust of the argument. In the context of Hearthstone, what exactly constitutes 'good sportsmanship'? My hope is that others reading my statements will consider how they act in-game, instead of mindlessly doing as others do. I'd say it's plain the OP is just trolling. I would also suggest you bone up on etiquette, sportsmanship and gamesmanship 'theory'. Make your own decisions.
Now as to what one finds acceptable or 'intolerable' or 'offensive': There is no requirement to act as a good sport. One's reaction to being treated poorly is a personal choice, but does little to change the poor treatment in the first place. Moreover, I do not think my statements indicate that I'm really 'offended'. Sticks and Stones et. al....
the only time it annoys me is right before the killing blow. That's like winning a game in basketball and 5 seconds before the game is done you say well played and slam dunk it.
Ofc I joked a little and it might have sounded too harsh..
but it's an emote.
AN EMOTE.
Edit: Next guy to give me a reply please try to justify your argument. How is it healthy for you to get mad about a simple ingame sound, from an unknown person...
The problem is that people feel THE NEED of complaining about AN EMOTE.
they even create threads about it.
if something THAT SIMPLE can get into your nerves, I can't imagine how would this person react when their boss joke on them at work for example. Out there, in the real life, you must swallow your anger you know.
Being mad about an emote and complain about this silly thing on a forum indicates that this person has issues
issues that must be treated by a doctor...
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"In this world some people born are like keys that move the world and exist having no connection to the social hierarchy established by man."
The problem is that people feel THE NEED of complaining about AN EMOTE.
they even create threads about it.
if something THAT SIMPLE can get into your nerves, I can't imagine how would this person react when their boss joke on them at work for example. Out there, in the real life, you must swallow your anger you know.
Being mad about an emote and complain about this silly thing on a forum indicates that this person has issues
issues that must be treated by a doctor...
these kind of issues can't get treated by a doctor, maybe a proper education can help, or even adulthood, don't forget, a lot of teens play this game, and teens are , by nature, emotionaly unstable, or at least more emotional that the average 25-45 year old. In the end , I don't really care if people get angry by my well played at the end of a game, i do it automatically unless i notice a great deal of missplays, it's just that, well played, you played correctly, it is something very common to say, it's the equivilant of shaking hands with the oposite player after a game, if you take that as a bad mannered gesture, so be it, i won't take hassle becouse you can't think straight, it's not my problem and frankly you could have squeltched long before i said well played if you really had a problem with it.
I always 'Greetings' my opponent at the start of a game. I always 'Well played' at the end of a game. For me its the equivalent of gl hf -> gg which is standard etiquette in almost every other online competitive game. I always get surprised when I hear that people get salty at 'Well played' at the end of the game as it just translates to gg in my head.
I also emote 'Oops' when I get bad RNG and 'Sorry' when my opponent gets bad RNG. When my opponent's 'BM' me with emotes by saying 'Greetings' with lethal, I just greet them back, what's the big deal? I don't get why people are so hateful against emotes - its the only social interaction you can have with your opponent in a game and I cherish it. It's just a game, just enjoy it, there's really no need to get so salty that you project your rage onto your opponent. I agree with the OP that people who get enraged by emotes have a stunted emotional intelligence.
IMO the only time where emotes are remotely BM is when it's spammed alongside other blatant BM behaviour like roping with lethal on board and spamming 'Sorry' or something.
Always look at the emote in the most positive manner. Digital communication such as texts and emotes are hard to understand because there are no expressions that go with it.
I do get mad at emotes but usually its an extension of my poor gameplay, and not the emote. When I get mad at emotes, I'm usually on tilt, and it adds to the frustration.
In defense of BM's, hearthstone is a card game which can have an element of gamesmanship to it. Its obvious from this thread that BM'ing is going to fluster many players, and that in turn may drive them to make sub optimal plays giving you an edge. I don't think spamming BM's will get you to legend, but you may win an extra 1 out of every 30 games. It also may make players focus more and you may lose more....
Last night I was playing a Warrior who kept saying 'That was a mistake' after every play. That criticism for me was worse. Once I was able to stabilize and had the game in hand, I BM'ed him nonstop! It may have been rude but it changed my mood in the game to a more positive one.
Maybe it is just me, but I believe people aren't angered when the game has many twists and (exciting) lead switches. This tends to happen a lot while playing not so usual decks which tend to be more focused on the fun factor. Even if you lose at the end because your opponent topdecks for the win, you are cool with it - you don't feel being cheated on by the game/the opponent's deck etc. as it could be the case with decks like Secret Paladin.
On the other side I guess there are players who actually play too much HS and as we all know playing a lot can result in becoming very eager and impatient. This could be a reason for people starting to insult others and interpreting a "Well played" as BM.
Some minutes ago, after a match, my last opponent added me to battle.net to complain about BMing, because I emoted two times "You face Jaraxxus, Eredar Lord of the Burning Legion!" and it wasn't even during the turn I defeated him, neither I was clearly winning yet, and I only used it because it sound so funny. Some people doesn't have any sense of humour, and take this game too seriously... sigh... This people should learn that relaxing and laughing from time to time is not going to kill them.
In life, there are repercussions for acting like a dick. On the internet, you can get away with it scot-free.
People get pissed from constant BMing in part because there is no recourse. (They could squelch though)
You guys don't even get BMs. "Well played" means "well played"--the sentiment is obvious.* Even if you got romped, almost no one uses Well Played ironically--that's that Greetings is for. If you get a "Heh, Greetings" as they come over for lethal? Yeah, get salty, they are messing with you.
*Exception: multiple Well Playeds--that's sass.
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That's easy. People who think "Well Played" is BM do so because they are used to BM with it themselves. So they kind of expect that the opponent does the same. I always say "WP" at the end of a match, because it's etiquette. I never mean it sarcastic. The only exceptions are games, where the opponent ropes me or BM. Then I just ignore him and finish the game.
The OP is exaggerating to add zest to his 'argument', so much so, in fact, I suspect he delights in tormenting his opponents with emotes. Fair enough.
Depending on the actual context and order of the actions you describe, it seems to me that a winner, acting as a good sport, should not initiate an emote, like 'well played'. period.
Why? because 'well played' at very least sounds more like 'I win!' or 'game over', especially when directly preceding the killing blow. In fact, this is how it is used and what it really means in this Hearthstone context.
Moreover, no one losing a match likes to be 'congratulated' for losing, no matter how they played, if that 'congratulation' is unsolicited.
Why? because it comes off as condescension, not 'being sportsmanlike'. For a good sport, winning the match is enough. period. It is always a choice to be a dick and rub it in, just don't expect the 'good sport' award.
The argument that 'people can interpret the emote the way they want' is BS too, unless your opponent is a known friend. Of course they can 'self-interpret', but the point is about good sportsmanship and good manners, both of which require one to be circumspect about one's own behavior. This means one considers how someone might interpret your emote.
Consider if you don't emote. Would the loser say to himself, 'That dick!. He didn't recognize my valiant struggle.' I don't think so.
That being said we all know etiquette and manners are games in and of themselves. One can approach them earnestly or not so much.
The OP is being disingenuous expressing incredulity. Anyone with the experience and intelligence to post a 'question' like this one knows exactly whats happening in this dynamic and actually wants affirmation and 'permission' to be a jerk. Fair enough.
The answer is simple: they don't.
You'll be surprised to know the amount of people who are failing in handling real life.
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a refutation of the argument with a side of ad hominem is not an argument. In fact many red cars do look like blue cars - i suspect most manufacturers make the same model with different colors, no?
You are correct 'well played', especially when said directly before the killing blow is not congratulatory. Your comparison bolsters my point despite the fact your analogy is poor. Ostensibly, there is a live human being across the table from you when playing Hearthstone. Assuming one is an earnest good sport, you would treat that person with respect, which means considering his/her feelings. That person is not dead or at a funeral - they have just played a video game with you.
My suggestion to you would be to re-read my statements and try to think about the general thrust of the argument. In the context of Hearthstone, what exactly constitutes 'good sportsmanship'? My hope is that others reading my statements will consider how they act in-game, instead of mindlessly doing as others do. I'd say it's plain the OP is just trolling. I would also suggest you bone up on etiquette, sportsmanship and gamesmanship 'theory'. Make your own decisions.
Now as to what one finds acceptable or 'intolerable' or 'offensive': There is no requirement to act as a good sport. One's reaction to being treated poorly is a personal choice, but does little to change the poor treatment in the first place. Moreover, I do not think my statements indicate that I'm really 'offended'. Sticks and Stones et. al....
the only time it annoys me is right before the killing blow. That's like winning a game in basketball and 5 seconds before the game is done you say well played and slam dunk it.
I am cool with well played but i cant stand sorry or oops ,it sounds very condescending.
Deal with life?
They spend 99% of their time inside a dark room playing hs and watching porn, how do you think these people deal with life rofl
only people with really bad social interaction would get pissed by simple emotes
You can get pissed at the game, your draws, or your internet failing
but AN EMOTE from a random hs player...
Pay a visit to a doctor, you need one.
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then please, enlighten me
how am i wrong?
Ofc I joked a little and it might have sounded too harsh..
but it's an emote.
AN EMOTE.
Edit: Next guy to give me a reply please try to justify your argument. How is it healthy for you to get mad about a simple ingame sound, from an unknown person...
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Exactly!
The problem is that people feel THE NEED of complaining about AN EMOTE.
they even create threads about it.
if something THAT SIMPLE can get into your nerves, I can't imagine how would this person react when their boss joke on them at work for example. Out there, in the real life, you must swallow your anger you know.
Being mad about an emote and complain about this silly thing on a forum indicates that this person has issues
issues that must be treated by a doctor...
"In this world some people born are like keys that move the world and exist having no connection to the social hierarchy established by man."
Feel free to PM me for help or advice.
I always 'Greetings' my opponent at the start of a game. I always 'Well played' at the end of a game. For me its the equivalent of gl hf -> gg which is standard etiquette in almost every other online competitive game. I always get surprised when I hear that people get salty at 'Well played' at the end of the game as it just translates to gg in my head.
I also emote 'Oops' when I get bad RNG and 'Sorry' when my opponent gets bad RNG. When my opponent's 'BM' me with emotes by saying 'Greetings' with lethal, I just greet them back, what's the big deal? I don't get why people are so hateful against emotes - its the only social interaction you can have with your opponent in a game and I cherish it. It's just a game, just enjoy it, there's really no need to get so salty that you project your rage onto your opponent. I agree with the OP that people who get enraged by emotes have a stunted emotional intelligence.
IMO the only time where emotes are remotely BM is when it's spammed alongside other blatant BM behaviour like roping with lethal on board and spamming 'Sorry' or something.
Always look at the emote in the most positive manner. Digital communication such as texts and emotes are hard to understand because there are no expressions that go with it.
I do get mad at emotes but usually its an extension of my poor gameplay, and not the emote. When I get mad at emotes, I'm usually on tilt, and it adds to the frustration.
In defense of BM's, hearthstone is a card game which can have an element of gamesmanship to it. Its obvious from this thread that BM'ing is going to fluster many players, and that in turn may drive them to make sub optimal plays giving you an edge. I don't think spamming BM's will get you to legend, but you may win an extra 1 out of every 30 games. It also may make players focus more and you may lose more....
Last night I was playing a Warrior who kept saying 'That was a mistake' after every play. That criticism for me was worse. Once I was able to stabilize and had the game in hand, I BM'ed him nonstop! It may have been rude but it changed my mood in the game to a more positive one.
Nah, if you really feel it's fine to QQ and be mad about an ingame sound, it's your life anyway...
and I wish you success too...
Read arguments... about an emote. Just thinking about it makes me laugh.
what's wrong with you people... xD
"In this world some people born are like keys that move the world and exist having no connection to the social hierarchy established by man."
Feel free to PM me for help or advice.
Maybe it is just me, but I believe people aren't angered when the game has many twists and (exciting) lead switches. This tends to happen a lot while playing not so usual decks which tend to be more focused on the fun factor. Even if you lose at the end because your opponent topdecks for the win, you are cool with it - you don't feel being cheated on by the game/the opponent's deck etc. as it could be the case with decks like Secret Paladin.
On the other side I guess there are players who actually play too much HS and as we all know playing a lot can result in becoming very eager and impatient. This could be a reason for people starting to insult others and interpreting a "Well played" as BM.
Joking about people getting mad about an ingame sound = stupidity
arguing and writing walls of texts about an ingame sound =/= stupidity
ok...
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Some minutes ago, after a match, my last opponent added me to battle.net to complain about BMing, because I emoted two times "You face Jaraxxus, Eredar Lord of the Burning Legion!" and it wasn't even during the turn I defeated him, neither I was clearly winning yet, and I only used it because it sound so funny. Some people doesn't have any sense of humour, and take this game too seriously... sigh... This people should learn that relaxing and laughing from time to time is not going to kill them.