That's just simple naivity talking. Especially the bit about top tier decks that play themselves. XD That's hilarious! So, no it's not "just plain wrong". But your comment was.
What's naive about the fact that the very best hearthstone players play standard and not wild?
Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? Because they are.
Judging by the misinformation of your post, I'm guessing you're unaware of some things: 1. Playing Wild doesn't get you into hearthstone tournaments - that's why most players focus on Standard because it's easier and more beneficial (as a pro) 2. Many of the world's top players (like Kibler, etc) do indeed play Wild on many occasions. There are plenty of videos of this on Youtube. Do a simple search. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this. 3. There is no deck that requires you to simply "play green cards" to guarantee a win. To believe otherwise is the most obvious form of naivite. It also smacks of salt, in fairness because you appear not to know how to beat those decks. If what you said was the case then it should be easy for anybody to pick up that deck and make top 10 legend in a matter of days, since the deck is so easy. I look forward to seeing your evidence of doing this - as I am sure many others here would as well.
Since i didn't directly answer in my first post...
Rank is a main indicator of your skill level, but not sufficient on its own.
For various factors, including time, willingness to play a given well-performing deck to climb higher, etc.
Ultimately, it depends on what we consider "good".
Because i mean, looking at HS old stats, hitting rank15 before floors became a thing was something like the top 30% of the ladder. One might think that being within the 30% of the top players in ladder is "good" enough.
But it isn't typically. On the other hand, i quite doubt consistent Legend is *necessary* to define a "good" player.
Consistent legend sounds like a criterion for "dedicated" more than "good".
TL;DR, unless for "good" we imply something that means 'nearly pro-level, but unwilling to make it their job', i would place the Rank requirement for "good" around Rank5, consistent.
That's just simple naivity talking. Especially the bit about top tier decks that play themselves. XD That's hilarious! So, no it's not "just plain wrong". But your comment was.
What's naive about the fact that the very best hearthstone players play standard and not wild?
Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? Because they are.
Judging by the misinformation of your post, I'm guessing you're unaware of some things: 1. Playing Wild doesn't get you into hearthstone tournaments - that's why most players focus on Standard because it's easier and more beneficial (as a pro) 2. Many of the world's top players (like Kibler, etc) do indeed play Wild on many occasions. There are plenty of videos of this on Youtube. Do a simple search. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this. 3. There is no deck that requires you to simply "play green cards" to guarantee a win. To believe otherwise is the most obvious form of naivite. It also smacks of salt, in fairness because you appear not to know how to beat those decks. If what you said was the case then it should be easy for anybody to pick up that deck and make top 10 legend in a matter of days, since the deck is so easy. I look forward to seeing your evidence of doing this - as I am sure many others here would as well.
I just want to clarify you something. I think you are arguing about a case you can never win.
1) Lets assume wild and standard players are equal in skill.
2) Lets assume standard has 10x legend players compared to wild. (In fact the ratio seems to be even more biased towards standard).
3) Lets assume standard has 10k legend players so wild would then have 10k/10 = 1k legend players.
-We have person A who is playing standard and is ranked at 1000.
-We have person B who is playing wild and is ranked at 100.
-A is in the top 10% of legend players(1000/10000 = 0.1).
-B is in the top 10% of legend players(100/1000 = 0.1).
--> A and B are equal in skill level.
This all is assuming wild and standard players are equal in skill. You can have your own opinion which is better but if you are saying for example that it is harder to get top 100 in wild you are also saying that wild player quality is 10 times higher than standard. And we probably can all agree that it is not the case.
Also all the competition is on the standard so it would be common sense that competitive players gravitate towards standard.
Judging by the misinformation of your post, I'm guessing you're unaware of some things: 1. Playing Wild doesn't get you into hearthstone tournaments - that's why most players focus on Standard because it's easier and more beneficial (as a pro) 2. Many of the world's top players (like Kibler, etc) do indeed play Wild on many occasions. There are plenty of videos of this on Youtube. Do a simple search. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this. 3. There is no deck that requires you to simply "play green cards" to guarantee a win. To believe otherwise is the most obvious form of naivite. It also smacks of salt, in fairness because you appear not to know how to beat those decks. If what you said was the case then it should be easy for anybody to pick up that deck and make top 10 legend in a matter of days, since the deck is so easy. I look forward to seeing your evidence of doing this - as I am sure many others here would as well.
1. Ah so you agree with me, great! Indeed, pro players (the very best that this game has to offer) playing standard because that's where the money is at makes it a lot easier to do well in wild.
2. They sure do, but not on many occasions though. Usually near the end of an expansion when they've gotten bored of standard. The other 90% of the time they focus on the bigger audience, which is standard.
3. I never said they were though, no need to put words in my mouth. All I said was that those decks are extremely easy and one dimensional to play. As they rely on using their hero power as often as possibly in addition to just playing cards on curve.
And yes, that is absolutely the case, hence why you see so many awful even/odd players at ranks 3-1 (at least I do), which are arguably some of the most competitive ranks.
I strongly agree, hitting legend is not just maintaining the grind from rank 15 to 5. Ranks 5-1 are stacked with most powerful decks and very good players. Very often you can't make it with just one deck and have to adapt to the meta you are facing.(On lower ranks you can really play whatever, I personally have hit rank 5 with Whizbang) However, even most skilled players need to win 25 more games than lose what means record of 75-50(60%wr) for example. That's why I consider good everybody that has ever hit legend and is consistently finishing rank 5 or better.
Is a player only able to play one deck/class but able to play it perfectly a good player?
Is a player unable to build his own deck, but able to play perfectly any netdeck and that can read the meta and always chose a counter to it a good player?
Is a player able to build his own top tier deck, but refuses to play a meta deck a good player?
is a player smashing his head through the meta wall with a 51% winrate until he reached legend a good player?
Is a player only playing meme decks or budget decks, but still reaches a high rank with it a good player?
Is a player with a stupidly high winrate that stays at low rank because he doesn't have time to grind the ladder a good player?
Hs involves many different skills (and luck too, but let's ignore that part). there are good players at rank 10, there are bad players at legend. Sure if a player reached legend he's more likely to be a good player, but you can't determine if someone is good or bad on that fact alone.
That being said, any player that reached top 200 legend at least once is very likely to be a good player. But that doesn't many only players that reached top 200 are good.
Judging by the misinformation of your post, I'm guessing you're unaware of some things: 1. Playing Wild doesn't get you into hearthstone tournaments - that's why most players focus on Standard because it's easier and more beneficial (as a pro) 2. Many of the world's top players (like Kibler, etc) do indeed play Wild on many occasions. There are plenty of videos of this on Youtube. Do a simple search. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this. 3. There is no deck that requires you to simply "play green cards" to guarantee a win. To believe otherwise is the most obvious form of naivite. It also smacks of salt, in fairness because you appear not to know how to beat those decks. If what you said was the case then it should be easy for anybody to pick up that deck and make top 10 legend in a matter of days, since the deck is so easy. I look forward to seeing your evidence of doing this - as I am sure many others here would as well.
1. Ah so you agree with me, great! Indeed, pro players (the very best that this game has to offer) playing standard because that's where the money is at makes it a lot easier to do well in wild.
2. They sure do, but not on many occasions though. Usually near the end of an expansion when they've gotten bored of standard. The other 90% of the time they focus on the bigger audience, which is standard.
3. I never said they were though, no need to put words in my mouth. All I said was that those decks are extremely easy and one dimensional to play. As they rely on using their hero power as often as possibly in addition to just playing cards on curve.
And yes, that is absolutely the case, hence why you see so many awful even/odd players at ranks 3-1 (at least I do), which are arguably some of the most competitive ranks.
1. Yes, that's why reaching top 100 Legend in wild is essentially meaningless compared to standard. There's no competition.
3. It's true that bad players can perform higher than their level with aggro decks such as Odd Paladin and Odd Rogue. They can get away with plenty of misplays.
It'd say it's impossible to play all the decks perfectly, even the easier ones.
1. Ah so you agree with me, great! Indeed, pro players (the very best that this game has to offer) playing standard because that's where the money is at makes it a lot easier to do well in wild.
Great! So you agree that pro players play Standard for easy access to tournaments and wild for the actual challenge of a hard ladder? Perfect.
2. They sure do, but not on many occasions though. Usually near the end of an expansion when they've gotten bored of standard. The other 90% of the time they focus on the bigger audience, which is standard.
You mean they focus on securing their place in a tournament before going on to play in a more challenging format. You're right.
3. I never said they were though, no need to put words in my mouth. All I said was that those decks are extremely easy and one dimensional to play. As they rely on using their hero power as often as possibly in addition to just playing cards on curve.
"Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? " Your words. I didn't put them in your mouth, but you put them down on the screen. You didn't even mention anything about Hero Powers (even though that's fairly irrelevant to the point, I would say).
And yes, that is absolutely the case, hence why you see so many awful even/odd players at ranks 3-1 (at least I do), which are arguably some of the most competitive ranks.
And there we go - what you said right there is the perfect counter to your own argument. If the decks are so easy to play, you wouldn't see "bad players" making so many misplays, since the deck plays itself, right/. You just play the "green cards" and the deck plays itself (your words). It should technically be pretty much impossible to misplay with a deck that playsi itself, no matter how bad a player you might be. At least we cleared that up.
Please tell me how wild ladder is more challenging when all the good players play standard? (Which we just confirmed.)
No, we're talking about content creators in this portion. Kibler isn't a pro player is he? Most of them don't bother participating in tournaments as that's extremely difficult to manage, being a pro player and a full time streamer at once. Hence why they focus on the format that gets them the biggest audience and provides the biggest challenge: standard.
"Play green cards" decks has no definitive meaning. You gave it one which I disagree with. I mentioned hero powers to further elaborate on why those decks are extremely easy to play. I felt that was needed given the knowledge you have shown so far.
You seem to be under the impression that a deck that plays itself is a deck which plays itself perfectly all the time. This doesn't have to be the case at all. Bots play decks themselves too. Do they do that perfectly? Far from it. Same with odd and even decks, anyone can play them and do well with them but it's still extremely easy to spot people who got that high solely because of the deck they're playing. Which is most prevalent at the higher ranks, as I've said before.
1. Ah so you agree with me, great! Indeed, pro players (the very best that this game has to offer) playing standard because that's where the money is at makes it a lot easier to do well in wild.
Great! So you agree that pro players play Standard for easy access to tournaments and wild for the actual challenge of a hard ladder? Perfect.
2. They sure do, but not on many occasions though. Usually near the end of an expansion when they've gotten bored of standard. The other 90% of the time they focus on the bigger audience, which is standard.
You mean they focus on securing their place in a tournament before going on to play in a more challenging format. You're right.
3. I never said they were though, no need to put words in my mouth. All I said was that those decks are extremely easy and one dimensional to play. As they rely on using their hero power as often as possibly in addition to just playing cards on curve.
"Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? " Your words. I didn't put them in your mouth, but you put them down on the screen. You didn't even mention anything about Hero Powers (even though that's fairly irrelevant to the point, I would say).
And yes, that is absolutely the case, hence why you see so many awful even/odd players at ranks 3-1 (at least I do), which are arguably some of the most competitive ranks.
And there we go - what you said right there is the perfect counter to your own argument. If the decks are so easy to play, you wouldn't see "bad players" making so many misplays, since the deck plays itself, right/. You just play the "green cards" and the deck plays itself (your words). It should technically be pretty much impossible to misplay with a deck that playsi itself, no matter how bad a player you might be. At least we cleared that up.
Wild isn’t a hard challenge, that’s the opposite. Reaching top 100 in wild is multiple times easier than standard because the competitive players do not play there.
Please tell me how wild ladder is more challenging when all the good players play standard? (Which we just confirmed.)
No, we're talking about content creators in this portion. Kibler isn't a pro player is he? Most of them don't bother participating in tournaments as that's extremely difficult to manage, being a pro player and a full time streamer at once. Hence why they focus on the format that gets them the biggest audience and provides the biggest challenge: standard.
"Play green cards" decks has no definitive meaning. You gave it one which I disagree with. I mentioned hero powers to further elaborate on why those decks are extremely easy to play. I felt that was needed given the knowledge you have shown so far.
You seem to be under the impression that a deck that plays itself is a deck which plays itself perfectly all the time. This doesn't have to be the case at all. Bots play decks themselves too. Do they do that perfectly? Far from it. Same with odd and even decks, anyone can play them and do well with them but it's still extremely easy to spot people who got that high solely because of the deck they're playing. Which is most prevalent at the higher ranks, as I've said before.
It's okay though, we all make mistakes.
You do indeed. Let's just bypass all the pointless arguments over semantics and your misunderstandings about decks and how they work, and cut to the core point. Seeing how Wild is so "easy" and all, getting to top 10 legend there is obviously a doddle since "no competitive players play there". So it should be a very simple matter for this to be proven. Nip up to top ten legend over the next couple of days and show us how easy it is. I mean, you said before, there are only bad players in Wild and nobody competitive plays there. I'll be here when you're done.
I don't recall saying I was a good player though. But by all means, since you claimed standard is "EZ-mode" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and amaze us? Top 10 legend in standard in a few days wasn't it?
Yes, Kibler is a content creator and tournament caster, why?
I don't recall saying I was a good player though. But by all means, since you claimed standard is "EZ-mode" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and amaze us? Top 10 legend in standard in a few days wasn't it?
Yes, Kibler is a content creator and tournament caster, why?
Since you've now devolved to misquoting and trying to strawman your way out of things, it seems we are done here. "I know you are, but what am I" arguments are tacky at best... Come back when you can actually back up your baseless arguments. Or don't. Either way, I don't really care to engage with people who just want to argue.
FYI Kibler is a multi-time MtG World Champion and was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He is one of the most well known professional champions of the CCG genre. He was also one of the core creators of the original WoW TCG game (which was the precursor to Hearthstone) To say he isn't a "pro" is a bit like saying Tiger Woods is just an Amateur Sunday golfer...
It's hard to say, since rank in hearthstone is a combination of both time and skill. Someone who is an okay player after thousands of games in a given month might be able to eventually make it to legend. A much better player with little time to play may get to the same point in 100 games or less.
And even beyond that, with how winstreaks work in lower ranks, you can often just play a face aggro deck, get a lucky win streak and make your way up to rank 5 without having to put much effort into understanding how other decks work, what cards to play around, or really any of the nuances of your deck. I mean, I still see people at rank 1 or 2 making the mistake in tempo rogue of playing prep + raiding party on turn 1!
So I don't think it's really valid to be judging a player's skill based upon rank, though I'd say a good number of players who consistently make it up to rank 5 are 'good' players, as well as anyone who can make it up to legend given enough time. But then again, that still depends on what you consider to be 'good'.
I don't recall saying I was a good player though. But by all means, since you claimed standard is "EZ-mode" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and amaze us? Top 10 legend in standard in a few days wasn't it?
Yes, Kibler is a content creator and tournament caster, why?
Since you've now devolved to misquoting and trying to strawman your way out of things, it seems we are done here. "I know you are, but what am I" arguments are tacky at best... Come back when you can actually back up your baseless arguments. Or don't. Either way, I don't really care to engage with people who just want to argue.
FYI Kibler is a multi-time MtG World Champion and was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He is one of the most well known professional champions of the CCG genre. He was also one of the core creators of the original WoW TCG game (which was the precursor to Hearthstone) To say he isn't a "pro" is a bit like saying Tiger Woods is just an Amateur Sunday golfer...
What exactly did I misquote? I'm just repeating what you said here. But do continue to make excuses while you yourself can't even back your own statements. Ironic, really.
Kibler is currently a caster and content creator for Hearthstone. Did I stutter?
I don't recall saying I was a good player though. But by all means, since you claimed standard is "EZ-mode" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and amaze us? Top 10 legend in standard in a few days wasn't it?
Yes, Kibler is a content creator and tournament caster, why?
Since you've now devolved to misquoting and trying to strawman your way out of things, it seems we are done here. "I know you are, but what am I" arguments are tacky at best... Come back when you can actually back up your baseless arguments. Or don't. Either way, I don't really care to engage with people who just want to argue.
FYI Kibler is a multi-time MtG World Champion and was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He is one of the most well known professional champions of the CCG genre. He was also one of the core creators of the original WoW TCG game (which was the precursor to Hearthstone) To say he isn't a "pro" is a bit like saying Tiger Woods is just an Amateur Sunday golfer...
What exactly did I misquote? I'm just repeating what you said here. But do continue to make excuses while you yourself can't even back your own statements. Ironic, really.
Kibler is currently a caster and content creator for Hearthstone. Did I stutter?
Mmm-hmm. Still waiting. Tick tock...
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Judging by the misinformation of your post, I'm guessing you're unaware of some things:
1. Playing Wild doesn't get you into hearthstone tournaments - that's why most players focus on Standard because it's easier and more beneficial (as a pro)
2. Many of the world's top players (like Kibler, etc) do indeed play Wild on many occasions. There are plenty of videos of this on Youtube. Do a simple search. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this.
3. There is no deck that requires you to simply "play green cards" to guarantee a win. To believe otherwise is the most obvious form of naivite. It also smacks of salt, in fairness because you appear not to know how to beat those decks. If what you said was the case then it should be easy for anybody to pick up that deck and make top 10 legend in a matter of days, since the deck is so easy. I look forward to seeing your evidence of doing this - as I am sure many others here would as well.
You only can be considered good if you win the World Championships.
Since i didn't directly answer in my first post...
Rank is a main indicator of your skill level, but not sufficient on its own.
For various factors, including time, willingness to play a given well-performing deck to climb higher, etc.
Ultimately, it depends on what we consider "good".
Because i mean, looking at HS old stats, hitting rank15 before floors became a thing was something like the top 30% of the ladder. One might think that being within the 30% of the top players in ladder is "good" enough.
But it isn't typically. On the other hand, i quite doubt consistent Legend is *necessary* to define a "good" player.
Consistent legend sounds like a criterion for "dedicated" more than "good".
TL;DR, unless for "good" we imply something that means 'nearly pro-level, but unwilling to make it their job', i would place the Rank requirement for "good" around Rank5, consistent.
I just want to clarify you something. I think you are arguing about a case you can never win.
1) Lets assume wild and standard players are equal in skill.
2) Lets assume standard has 10x legend players compared to wild. (In fact the ratio seems to be even more biased towards standard).
3) Lets assume standard has 10k legend players so wild would then have 10k/10 = 1k legend players.
-We have person A who is playing standard and is ranked at 1000.
-We have person B who is playing wild and is ranked at 100.
-A is in the top 10% of legend players(1000/10000 = 0.1).
-B is in the top 10% of legend players(100/1000 = 0.1).
--> A and B are equal in skill level.
This all is assuming wild and standard players are equal in skill. You can have your own opinion which is better but if you are saying for example that it is harder to get top 100 in wild you are also saying that wild player quality is 10 times higher than standard. And we probably can all agree that it is not the case.
Also all the competition is on the standard so it would be common sense that competitive players gravitate towards standard.
1. Ah so you agree with me, great! Indeed, pro players (the very best that this game has to offer) playing standard because that's where the money is at makes it a lot easier to do well in wild.
2. They sure do, but not on many occasions though. Usually near the end of an expansion when they've gotten bored of standard. The other 90% of the time they focus on the bigger audience, which is standard.
3. I never said they were though, no need to put words in my mouth. All I said was that those decks are extremely easy and one dimensional to play. As they rely on using their hero power as often as possibly in addition to just playing cards on curve.
And yes, that is absolutely the case, hence why you see so many awful even/odd players at ranks 3-1 (at least I do), which are arguably some of the most competitive ranks.
I strongly agree, hitting legend is not just maintaining the grind from rank 15 to 5. Ranks 5-1 are stacked with most powerful decks and very good players. Very often you can't make it with just one deck and have to adapt to the meta you are facing.(On lower ranks you can really play whatever, I personally have hit rank 5 with Whizbang) However, even most skilled players need to win 25 more games than lose what means record of 75-50(60%wr) for example. That's why I consider good everybody that has ever hit legend and is consistently finishing rank 5 or better.
It's subjective,
what is "being good at hearthstone"?
Is a player only able to play one deck/class but able to play it perfectly a good player?
Is a player unable to build his own deck, but able to play perfectly any netdeck and that can read the meta and always chose a counter to it a good player?
Is a player able to build his own top tier deck, but refuses to play a meta deck a good player?
is a player smashing his head through the meta wall with a 51% winrate until he reached legend a good player?
Is a player only playing meme decks or budget decks, but still reaches a high rank with it a good player?
Is a player with a stupidly high winrate that stays at low rank because he doesn't have time to grind the ladder a good player?
Hs involves many different skills (and luck too, but let's ignore that part). there are good players at rank 10, there are bad players at legend. Sure if a player reached legend he's more likely to be a good player, but you can't determine if someone is good or bad on that fact alone.
That being said, any player that reached top 200 legend at least once is very likely to be a good player. But that doesn't many only players that reached top 200 are good.
1. Yes, that's why reaching top 100 Legend in wild is essentially meaningless compared to standard. There's no competition.
3. It's true that bad players can perform higher than their level with aggro decks such as Odd Paladin and Odd Rogue. They can get away with plenty of misplays.
It'd say it's impossible to play all the decks perfectly, even the easier ones.
I am a good player. Thanks for asking!
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Great! So you agree that pro players play Standard for easy access to tournaments and wild for the actual challenge of a hard ladder? Perfect.
You mean they focus on securing their place in a tournament before going on to play in a more challenging format. You're right.
"Are you telling me that odd paladin and even shaman aren't prime examples of "play green cards" decks? "
Your words. I didn't put them in your mouth, but you put them down on the screen.
You didn't even mention anything about Hero Powers (even though that's fairly irrelevant to the point, I would say).
And there we go - what you said right there is the perfect counter to your own argument.
If the decks are so easy to play, you wouldn't see "bad players" making so many misplays, since the deck plays itself, right/. You just play the "green cards" and the deck plays itself (your words). It should technically be pretty much impossible to misplay with a deck that playsi itself, no matter how bad a player you might be.
At least we cleared that up.
Cba to quote all this on phone so anyway:
Please tell me how wild ladder is more challenging when all the good players play standard? (Which we just confirmed.)
No, we're talking about content creators in this portion. Kibler isn't a pro player is he? Most of them don't bother participating in tournaments as that's extremely difficult to manage, being a pro player and a full time streamer at once. Hence why they focus on the format that gets them the biggest audience and provides the biggest challenge: standard.
"Play green cards" decks has no definitive meaning. You gave it one which I disagree with. I mentioned hero powers to further elaborate on why those decks are extremely easy to play. I felt that was needed given the knowledge you have shown so far.
You seem to be under the impression that a deck that plays itself is a deck which plays itself perfectly all the time. This doesn't have to be the case at all. Bots play decks themselves too. Do they do that perfectly? Far from it. Same with odd and even decks, anyone can play them and do well with them but it's still extremely easy to spot people who got that high solely because of the deck they're playing. Which is most prevalent at the higher ranks, as I've said before.
It's okay though, we all make mistakes.
Wild isn’t a hard challenge, that’s the opposite. Reaching top 100 in wild is multiple times easier than standard because the competitive players do not play there.
You do indeed.
Let's just bypass all the pointless arguments over semantics and your misunderstandings about decks and how they work, and cut to the core point.
Seeing how Wild is so "easy" and all, getting to top 10 legend there is obviously a doddle since "no competitive players play there". So it should be a very simple matter for this to be proven. Nip up to top ten legend over the next couple of days and show us how easy it is.
I mean, you said before, there are only bad players in Wild and nobody competitive plays there.
I'll be here when you're done.
You do know who Kibler is, right...?
20 rank. All true professional players are there.
I don't recall saying I was a good player though. But by all means, since you claimed standard is "EZ-mode" why don't you put your money where your mouth is and amaze us? Top 10 legend in standard in a few days wasn't it?
Yes, Kibler is a content creator and tournament caster, why?
Since you've now devolved to misquoting and trying to strawman your way out of things, it seems we are done here. "I know you are, but what am I" arguments are tacky at best...
Come back when you can actually back up your baseless arguments. Or don't.
Either way, I don't really care to engage with people who just want to argue.
FYI Kibler is a multi-time MtG World Champion and was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He is one of the most well known professional champions of the CCG genre. He was also one of the core creators of the original WoW TCG game (which was the precursor to Hearthstone)
To say he isn't a "pro" is a bit like saying Tiger Woods is just an Amateur Sunday golfer...
It's hard to say, since rank in hearthstone is a combination of both time and skill. Someone who is an okay player after thousands of games in a given month might be able to eventually make it to legend. A much better player with little time to play may get to the same point in 100 games or less.
And even beyond that, with how winstreaks work in lower ranks, you can often just play a face aggro deck, get a lucky win streak and make your way up to rank 5 without having to put much effort into understanding how other decks work, what cards to play around, or really any of the nuances of your deck. I mean, I still see people at rank 1 or 2 making the mistake in tempo rogue of playing prep + raiding party on turn 1!
So I don't think it's really valid to be judging a player's skill based upon rank, though I'd say a good number of players who consistently make it up to rank 5 are 'good' players, as well as anyone who can make it up to legend given enough time. But then again, that still depends on what you consider to be 'good'.
What exactly did I misquote? I'm just repeating what you said here. But do continue to make excuses while you yourself can't even back your own statements. Ironic, really.
Kibler is currently a caster and content creator for Hearthstone. Did I stutter?
Mmm-hmm.
Still waiting. Tick tock...