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Rank 20-15 can actually be the hardest ranks to climb out of because your opponents aren't playing meta decks and not making the best choices and just running wierd stuff that might throw you off completely. Playing "like pro's" doesn't work in those ranks.
As someone suggested, i think the best choice is to go aggro and try to speed to rank 15-10 where it's easier to predict your opponents moves.
The main reasons players lose with top tier netdecks, ie straight tier 1 and high tier 2 are the following. (well any deck really or arena)
1. Decision making
2. Mulligans
3. Recognizing opponents deck quickly and playing in a way to maximize your advantage, and make things awkward for them.
these all tie together.
you need to play some archetypes 50-100+ to get a good feel for a deck and play it well. Despite that you can lose due to rng, bad matchups and all kinds of factors. What you should do though when learning is slow down, ask yourself on key turns what you can do to setup a win or not lose on the spot. If you make a blunder note it, if you misread a deck your opponent plays, note what threw you off.
You can play with tracker but that really isn't the problem. You can make rank 5 with any tier 3 deck or higher without tracker either wild or standard.
If you play Arena you can improve at the game that way as well.
The point where you should stop is if you are not having fun with the game and you are not learning anything. What your goals are dictate what and how you play the game. If you are playing to build a collection up you need to try for rank 15 or 5 ie 150/500 ish dusting the golds every month.
The fact you are stuck on Rank 18sh with straight tier one Pirate warrior shows this quite clearly. That's a deck that is completely over the top and plays so quickly that even if you lose you can fit in a ton of games more than the other archetypes. With the floors you may wish to try and make a new floor and take a break.
If you are tired, hungry and or angry you need to take a break and eat, sleep etc. All of those effect your decision making and make you play worse.
If you still hate the game after that i'd take a long break and play other games. Don't put more money in either, can't sell these accounts off.
I would stick to one or two decks that you enjoy playing in the tier 2+ range if your goal is to rank higher, if not just play for your own fun.
Lastly don't switch cards around between losses or switch decks. That only rarely works when you intentionally counter queue a better matchup at high rank to steal back a win from an opponent you just lost to.
Watching pro's and guides and tracker and tier one will help, but to get winstreaks to climb quickly but also to win very narrow games requires a lot of practice and all of the above. You are going to eat unfair losses that is hearthstone.
I had a friend who was decent and had a ton of cards, they wanted to know what they needed to do, ultimately I told them it was decision making, frankly if you don't make good decisions they will compound and you will lose. RNG will carry but ultimately that is the difference over 100's of games. Best of luck.
It might also be worth moving away from the whole All-in netdeck, deck guide mindset, that is making this game such a drag at times. Just make a deck which suits your style of play and go with it. Have some creativity with your decks and each win you get will be more fun and more satisfying.
This. No feeling like your deck finally "clicking together" and doing what you imagined it will (even if it takes a few losses to get there :p)
I sort of get where OP is coming from until the "game designers know something is wrong" bit - I mean, there's nothing wrong with the game, you're just not very good at it. I don't mean that to be a slight or to be insulting but if you can't climb with the likes of Jade Druid and Pirate Warrior the problem is clearly with your ability not Hearthstone itself.
Spend time learning, enjoy low ranks, or quit the game.
First, thanks for the replies; there are far fewer "you suck" replies than I expected. I hope knocking me down provided the desired endorphin hit for those authors.
To the majority who have tried to help, thanks. Without appearing ungrateful, I respectfully think some of you don't appreciate the challenge currently presented in Ranks 18-25. It takes me two weeks to hit Rank 20 just to get the card back, and I enjoy managing to do that most months. Of course, those who hit Legend regularly start the next month at (I think) Rank 16 - so they would never see 18-25. Assuming the lower ranks are populated with totally inept players simply isn't true. Less skilled? Sure. But some kind of auto-win meta? No.
Many have asked for more information. I'll try to oblige:
I agree with those who say the fun is in being "creative" and making your own decks. Personally, I love making asymmetrical decks that surprise the other guy. My favourite cards include Tinkmaster Overspark, Crazed Alchemist and The Black Knight. Unfortunately, this is a recipe for disaster - when I make "creative" decks using my favourite cards I plunge very quickly to Rank 20. No exceptions.
So, I must play either the game generated decks or netdecks. Absolutely no choice there either.
As for downloading some kind of add-in software to record my games, I play on an iPad and I don't believe that's possible. But thanks for the idea.
Finally, the coin is a huge factor for me. I have an 80% loss rate without it. The rope is also a challenge, as I frequently rope-out and can't complete my turn. C'Thun decks were fun and easy - just play the C'Thun cards in order if you can draw them. I also like Highlander decks (even before Reno and other 'no duplicates' cards); they let you play more 'fun' cards, but as I said earlier - not good.
Anyway, thanks for the tips. I may bail for a while and ignore the next release. It's a lot less fun lately.
You are right that there is no deck tracker for your iPad so forget that. As for ranking up and legend, it's very much related to how much you play and what deck you use. Most if not all legend players are using some cancer deck. Period. Pros get paid to play and play basically all day long so with even a 51% win rate, guess what? They'll still hit legend. There is a pretty low skil ceiling in this game. Only so much you can do. Many times the right play is dictated by what's in your hand at the time. That's how card games work. The game is about questions and answers. If you can't answer your opponents question.....you're probably going to lose. Don't care who you are.
And, despite the claim that RNG and luck even out over time, no one has ever given a tangible number of games it takes to guarantee this happens. That's because they can't. It is very possible that some people will simply draw worse than others or get bad matchups more often. Take the classic coin flip scenario. The stats say it should even out to 50/50 over a certain number of flips but I bet even after a million flips it is VERY possible that it's 52/48 heads to tails or vice versa. Guess what happens then? Yep.... the guy that gets the benefit of the 52 percent is luckier and wins more. Yep.
still, there are things you can do. Check carefully for lethal. Me and many players miss this sometimes. Concede games that you can't win so you can move onto the next game and not waste time. Get familiar with tech cards and how to work them into decks that you keep facing. Stick to one or two decks and really, really learn them. That helped me a lot. Don't change decks every five matchups. You'll never get used to one and can't learn it properly.
You are right that there is no deck tracker for your iPad so forget that. As for ranking up and legend, it's very much related to how much you play and what deck you use. Most if not all legend players are using some cancer deck. Period. Pros get paid to play and play basically all day long so with even a 51% win rate, guess what? They'll still hit legend. There is a pretty low skil ceiling in this game. Only so much you can do. Many times the right play is dictated by what's in your hand at the time. That's how card games work. The game is about questions and answers. If you can't answer your opponents question.....you're probably going to lose. Don't care who you are.
And, despite the claim that RNG and luck even out over time, no one has ever given a tangible number of games it takes to guarantee this happens. That's because they can't. It is very possible that some people will simply draw worse than others or get bad matchups more often. Take the classic coin flip scenario. The stats say it should even out to 50/50 over a certain number of flips but I bet even after a million flips it is VERY possible that it's 52/48 heads to tails or vice versa. Guess what happens then? Yep.... the guy that gets the benefit of the 52 percent is luckier and wins more. Yep.
still, there are things you can do. Check carefully for lethal. Me and many players miss this sometimes. Concede games that you can't win so you can move onto the next game and not waste time. Get familiar with tech cards and how to work them into decks that you keep facing. Stick to one or two decks and really, really learn them. That helped me a lot. Don't change decks every five matchups. You'll never get used to one and can't learn it properly.
Wolfram Alpha won't let me calculate the probability of getting 520000 or less heads from 1 million trials.
So I divided everything by 10, the probability of getting 52000 or less heads from 100000 trials is in the region of 5.319 * 10^-37. So not very likely at all...
I could get the answer for 1 million trials by using the Normal distribution (which is an excellent approximation to the binomial distribution after 30 or so trials), but I can't be bothered ;)
EDIT: Link does not work, but use 100000 as number of trials, 1/2 as probability of success and 52000 as endpoint.
So, if you flipped 100000 coins once every second, it would take about 10^28 years to see that result once on average.
I mean really, stuck at rank 18? you can get to rank 10 by playing pirate warrior and doing nothing but use as much mana as you can every turn and click face (unless a taunt's in your way).
There is some truth to OP. I have farmed rank 20s for over two years now. When standard was introduced I saw an increase in competition in those trashy tiers. People seem to be "stuck" in rank 15-20 playing decks like Jade and Dragon Priest. Very few homebrew decks.
At this time of the season, getting past rank 18 honestly shouldn't be hard, not being harsh but it really shouldn't. Do you have any replays you could show us? I'd be happy to give you some tips about ways to improve your play.
^Yea dude i agree. Cant get past rank 18 all month? Its you man. Not the decks, not the meta or the developers. But take care man.
The problem is just you then. I could get to rank 15 every month and I'm a f2p, it's really not hard. Since they introduced the floors I played more and reached rank 10 with freeze mage in both wild and standard so you don't even really need a topteir deck to reach that far. You must be making some pretty bad decisions.
I'm pretty sure you are making a lot of mistakes,you just need practise and you will see results with time,1 year of playing Hearthstone isnt enough to get to a good level of thinking and making the less possible mistakes if any.After 3 years of playing Hearthstone and 2 of them watching Hearthstone streamers daily,i have to say that,it kinda feels way to easy reaching rank 5.I would be ashamed of not hitting 5 every month.I
Ps:It only needs practise,watch streamers and get better.There's nothing to it.
Nope. Doesn't matter. And you don't need skill to 'slave' to a well written deck guide - which I tried to "take myself out of the equation." It makes no difference. In casual play, once my MMR settles in, I eventually get to a 50/50 win rate, but my opponents just have basic cards by then.
So, you want to climb ladder but you don't want to do it with any deck that's proven to work? Fine.
But you must be a horrendous deck builder if you can only have a 50/50 win rate against people with basic cards. Don't get me wrong people can win with those, but that's the exception rather than the rule. What we have here is someone who wants to create their own deck but doesn't even know where to begin.....
If you truly want to play an off-meta deck and win with it, you need to study all the cards (yes, all of them) and figure out why people play what they do. Then try building around cards that people don't play (Echo of Medihv, Blood Warrior, those types of cards). Otherwise you're just a bent fork; unique, but not useful.
Without whipping out insults, I would say- PATIENCE- learn what counters you and what to play around. I feel like people below rank 15 often don't play around obvious answers. It's early game against a shaman and you have a decent board, how do you trade when he plays a minion? I play around lightning storm and trade to have my minions have less health if I have two Darkshire Councilman on the board, I try to keep one with high enough hp to survive nukes (If i can't afford to keep both alive). You have to be playing not just your cards but against your opponent. What is my opponents most likely answer to my board state? If against a druid, make sure you don't have one 4 health minion and a bunch of one's as you're going to get swiped- maybe this means trading a minion to dying versus having 3 minions with one health versus 2 minions with one health and 2 other minions that could survive the swipe.
I do feel that most streamers do this very well and sometimes they discuss why they're doing what they're doing and sometimes not. With the caps at the 5s, I am confident with a decent collection, nothing is keeping you from rank 15, let alone higher. Even my dumb murloc shaman aggroish deck gets me to 15 easily- zoo warlock does pretty well too (kripparians one from a week or two back).
Some have what it takes to become good players and others do not. My advice to you would be to watch streamers and learn to get better at the game and figure out what you're doing wrong.
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It's definitely you. Play more games. With winstreaks, you don't even need to be good to get to rank 5, you just need to play a lot.
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Rank 20-15 can actually be the hardest ranks to climb out of because your opponents aren't playing meta decks and not making the best choices and just running wierd stuff that might throw you off completely. Playing "like pro's" doesn't work in those ranks.
As someone suggested, i think the best choice is to go aggro and try to speed to rank 15-10 where it's easier to predict your opponents moves.
The main reasons players lose with top tier netdecks, ie straight tier 1 and high tier 2 are the following. (well any deck really or arena)
1. Decision making
2. Mulligans
3. Recognizing opponents deck quickly and playing in a way to maximize your advantage, and make things awkward for them.
these all tie together.
you need to play some archetypes 50-100+ to get a good feel for a deck and play it well. Despite that you can lose due to rng, bad matchups and all kinds of factors. What you should do though when learning is slow down, ask yourself on key turns what you can do to setup a win or not lose on the spot. If you make a blunder note it, if you misread a deck your opponent plays, note what threw you off.
You can play with tracker but that really isn't the problem. You can make rank 5 with any tier 3 deck or higher without tracker either wild or standard.
If you play Arena you can improve at the game that way as well.
The point where you should stop is if you are not having fun with the game and you are not learning anything. What your goals are dictate what and how you play the game. If you are playing to build a collection up you need to try for rank 15 or 5 ie 150/500 ish dusting the golds every month.
The fact you are stuck on Rank 18sh with straight tier one Pirate warrior shows this quite clearly. That's a deck that is completely over the top and plays so quickly that even if you lose you can fit in a ton of games more than the other archetypes. With the floors you may wish to try and make a new floor and take a break.
If you are tired, hungry and or angry you need to take a break and eat, sleep etc. All of those effect your decision making and make you play worse.
If you still hate the game after that i'd take a long break and play other games. Don't put more money in either, can't sell these accounts off.
I would stick to one or two decks that you enjoy playing in the tier 2+ range if your goal is to rank higher, if not just play for your own fun.
Lastly don't switch cards around between losses or switch decks. That only rarely works when you intentionally counter queue a better matchup at high rank to steal back a win from an opponent you just lost to.
Watching pro's and guides and tracker and tier one will help, but to get winstreaks to climb quickly but also to win very narrow games requires a lot of practice and all of the above. You are going to eat unfair losses that is hearthstone.
I had a friend who was decent and had a ton of cards, they wanted to know what they needed to do, ultimately I told them it was decision making, frankly if you don't make good decisions they will compound and you will lose. RNG will carry but ultimately that is the difference over 100's of games. Best of luck.
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No feeling like your deck finally "clicking together" and doing what you imagined it will (even if it takes a few losses to get there :p)
I sort of get where OP is coming from until the "game designers know something is wrong" bit - I mean, there's nothing wrong with the game, you're just not very good at it. I don't mean that to be a slight or to be insulting but if you can't climb with the likes of Jade Druid and Pirate Warrior the problem is clearly with your ability not Hearthstone itself.
Spend time learning, enjoy low ranks, or quit the game.
First, thanks for the replies; there are far fewer "you suck" replies than I expected. I hope knocking me down provided the desired endorphin hit for those authors.
To the majority who have tried to help, thanks. Without appearing ungrateful, I respectfully think some of you don't appreciate the challenge currently presented in Ranks 18-25. It takes me two weeks to hit Rank 20 just to get the card back, and I enjoy managing to do that most months. Of course, those who hit Legend regularly start the next month at (I think) Rank 16 - so they would never see 18-25. Assuming the lower ranks are populated with totally inept players simply isn't true. Less skilled? Sure. But some kind of auto-win meta? No.
Many have asked for more information. I'll try to oblige:
I agree with those who say the fun is in being "creative" and making your own decks. Personally, I love making asymmetrical decks that surprise the other guy. My favourite cards include Tinkmaster Overspark, Crazed Alchemist and The Black Knight. Unfortunately, this is a recipe for disaster - when I make "creative" decks using my favourite cards I plunge very quickly to Rank 20. No exceptions.
So, I must play either the game generated decks or netdecks. Absolutely no choice there either.
As for downloading some kind of add-in software to record my games, I play on an iPad and I don't believe that's possible. But thanks for the idea.
Finally, the coin is a huge factor for me. I have an 80% loss rate without it. The rope is also a challenge, as I frequently rope-out and can't complete my turn. C'Thun decks were fun and easy - just play the C'Thun cards in order if you can draw them. I also like Highlander decks (even before Reno and other 'no duplicates' cards); they let you play more 'fun' cards, but as I said earlier - not good.
Anyway, thanks for the tips. I may bail for a while and ignore the next release. It's a lot less fun lately.
You are right that there is no deck tracker for your iPad so forget that. As for ranking up and legend, it's very much related to how much you play and what deck you use. Most if not all legend players are using some cancer deck. Period. Pros get paid to play and play basically all day long so with even a 51% win rate, guess what? They'll still hit legend. There is a pretty low skil ceiling in this game. Only so much you can do. Many times the right play is dictated by what's in your hand at the time. That's how card games work. The game is about questions and answers. If you can't answer your opponents question.....you're probably going to lose. Don't care who you are.
And, despite the claim that RNG and luck even out over time, no one has ever given a tangible number of games it takes to guarantee this happens. That's because they can't. It is very possible that some people will simply draw worse than others or get bad matchups more often. Take the classic coin flip scenario. The stats say it should even out to 50/50 over a certain number of flips but I bet even after a million flips it is VERY possible that it's 52/48 heads to tails or vice versa. Guess what happens then? Yep.... the guy that gets the benefit of the 52 percent is luckier and wins more. Yep.
still, there are things you can do. Check carefully for lethal. Me and many players miss this sometimes. Concede games that you can't win so you can move onto the next game and not waste time. Get familiar with tech cards and how to work them into decks that you keep facing. Stick to one or two decks and really, really learn them. That helped me a lot. Don't change decks every five matchups. You'll never get used to one and can't learn it properly.
I win due to skill and lose due to bad RNG. :D
There is some truth to OP. I have farmed rank 20s for over two years now. When standard was introduced I saw an increase in competition in those trashy tiers. People seem to be "stuck" in rank 15-20 playing decks like Jade and Dragon Priest. Very few homebrew decks.
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Advice how to pass rank 18:
The problem is just you then. I could get to rank 15 every month and I'm a f2p, it's really not hard. Since they introduced the floors I played more and reached rank 10 with freeze mage in both wild and standard so you don't even really need a topteir deck to reach that far. You must be making some pretty bad decisions.
git gud
Rank 18 legend ???
I'm pretty sure you are making a lot of mistakes,you just need practise and you will see results with time,1 year of playing Hearthstone isnt enough to get to a good level of thinking and making the less possible mistakes if any.After 3 years of playing Hearthstone and 2 of them watching Hearthstone streamers daily,i have to say that,it kinda feels way to easy reaching rank 5.I would be ashamed of not hitting 5 every month.I
Ps:It only needs practise,watch streamers and get better.There's nothing to it.
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Without whipping out insults, I would say- PATIENCE- learn what counters you and what to play around. I feel like people below rank 15 often don't play around obvious answers. It's early game against a shaman and you have a decent board, how do you trade when he plays a minion? I play around lightning storm and trade to have my minions have less health if I have two Darkshire Councilman on the board, I try to keep one with high enough hp to survive nukes (If i can't afford to keep both alive). You have to be playing not just your cards but against your opponent. What is my opponents most likely answer to my board state? If against a druid, make sure you don't have one 4 health minion and a bunch of one's as you're going to get swiped- maybe this means trading a minion to dying versus having 3 minions with one health versus 2 minions with one health and 2 other minions that could survive the swipe.
I do feel that most streamers do this very well and sometimes they discuss why they're doing what they're doing and sometimes not. With the caps at the 5s, I am confident with a decent collection, nothing is keeping you from rank 15, let alone higher. Even my dumb murloc shaman aggroish deck gets me to 15 easily- zoo warlock does pretty well too (kripparians one from a week or two back).
Some have what it takes to become good players and others do not. My advice to you would be to watch streamers and learn to get better at the game and figure out what you're doing wrong.