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I think dont need nerf that card

I used to run Alex in combo Druid. Rag is usually much better. Now that FoN has been "fixed" Rag will likely be replacing Alex if and when I play Ramp Druid.

Turn nine alex, turn ten cthun. What can survive that? Warrior? And besides the burst you have to deal with an 8/8 and then a 20/20. Without bgh or healbot. I see where the meta is going.

It's not 15 damage unless you are pretty bad and can't do any damage to their face by turn 9.  Most of the times when you get to turn 9, you're either doing a few damage to them or healing yourself.  So, why would it need to be nerfed?

Alex isn't the culprit in freeze mage. Ice Block is.

Though with scientist gone freeze mage is gonna have a hard time surviving till turn 9 against the new and upgraded shaman overlords lol.

Because Alex is fine as she is.

Blizzard's nerf philosophy post release, and for specifically the most recent nerfs, is to either take away uninteractive burst combos or increase design space, with the exceptions of undertaker and unleash the hounds (both of which dominated the meta). Alex doesn't meet either of those requirements, because it doesn't win you the game the turn you play it unless you were already winning and the design space for big minions (as the most recent set shows) is still very large. Alex gives you at least one turn of leeway to play reno or any healing effect before the other player nukes you, which is more then I can say about Grommash, Malygos or FON combo. Burst by itself is not the problem, it is the fact that it leads to situations where players are powerless to change the outcome that leads to nerfing. That, and the fact that freeze mage rarely has been a tier one deck post Naxx suggests that it doesn't overcentralize the meta. Sure, it's an easy way for control decks to win the game, but its existence creates new decks rather then inhibits them, so it should stay as it is.

If Blizzard was serious one second about not promoting decks that burst you out of nowhere Emperor Thaurissan would never exist.

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If you hate freeze mage that much, play Reno mage and run Ice Block. That's pretty much a hard counter to freeze as they can't burst you and will die to fatigue.

Alextrasza has never been OP and I'm getting sick of all the threads whining about her.

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It's not 15 damage unless you are pretty bad and can't do any damage to their face by turn 9.  Most of the times when you get to turn 9, you're either doing a few damage to them or healing yourself.  So, why would it need to be nerfed?

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It's not 15 damage unless you are pretty bad and can't do any damage to their face by turn 9.  Most of the times when you get to turn 9, you're either doing a few damage to them or healing yourself.  So, why would it need to be nerfed?

 Freeze mage doesn't do any damage to the opponent much of the time before they drop Alex (assuming they have it hand).  So yeah it is usually 15 damage.  They have stupid ice block and ice barrier so they rarely use Alex for heal (like never).  If being able to knock of half the opponent's health (Pyroblast and a half as someone else put it) and put down an 8/8 dragon for 9 mana...yeah that is insane OP.  It also has the versatality to be used as a heal as well.  It also helps enable the stupidest deck to ever exist in this game.

 

Yeah it is obvious i have hate for the deck, but that doesn't address the arguments.   Looking at the other nerfs, it is inconsistent that Freeze mage keeps Alex intact and was untouched.  

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Yeah it is obvious i have hate for the deck, but that doesn't address the arguments.   Looking at the other nerfs, it is inconsistent that Freeze mage keeps Alex intact and was untouched.  

 

 

I'm going to assume that everyone whining about Alexstrasza is playing secret paladin or zoo because Freeze Mage is the biggest counter to those decks. Archmage Antonidas is the real reason why Freeze Mage excels. A discounted hand full of spells and Archmage Antonidas has won me several games without Alexstrasza, even against warrior. Freeze Mage is also one of the hardest decks to pilot, close to the difficulty of Oil Rogue. Nerfing Freeze Mage is going to see the rise of Aggro because Freeze Mage is the best counter to aggro. Alexstrasza is fine and balanced.

Alright explain to mean how value wise Alexstrasza is balanced.  If she is balanced, then nothing has ever been unbalanced in the history of this game.  

Also saying it is stupid is subjective, uninteractive however is not.  It is the least interactive deck to ever exist in the history of the game.  Yes and people enjoy playing the deck, also people enjoy playing solitaire.  However solitaire is a single player game, freeze mage has no business being in a multiplayer game.  

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Alright explain to mean how value wise Alexstrasza is balanced.  If she is balanced, then nothing has ever been unbalanced in the history of this game.  

Also saying it is stupid is subjective, uninteractive however is not.  It is the least interactive deck to ever exist in the history of the game.  Yes and people enjoy playing the deck, also people enjoy playing solitaire.  However solitaire is a single player game, freeze mage has no business being in a multiplayer game.  

I'm hoping FM will be tamed just by the inclusion of Eater of Secrets. I do agree their use of Alex is quite unfair at times as you can do nothing to counter the incoming combo.

That said, I would like to see Alex retain its ability. It's unique and versatile. I would just maybe increase the health to 20 from 15 so that combo decks are less favored and burst damage less likely to lead to lethal.

I would be very disheartened if I had to dust my gold Alex. Easily one of the best-looking gold cards in the game. ;_;

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Alright explain to mean how value wise Alexstrasza is balanced.  If she is balanced, then nothing has ever been unbalanced in the history of this game.  

Also saying it is stupid is subjective, uninteractive however is not.  It is the least interactive deck to ever exist in the history of the game.  Yes and people enjoy playing the deck, also people enjoy playing solitaire.  However solitaire is a single player game, freeze mage has no business being in a multiplayer game.  

Alexstrasza is far from the only non interactive part of freeze mage.  Every turn is no interaction.  Frost nova+Doomsayer.  Mad scientist, play secret...freeze a million times, run card draw.  Drop Alex, know off half the opponent's life.  Next turn drop the spell burst combo.  All those other examples...those decks actually put stuff on the board, and interact actively with it.

Combo druid was a counter to freeze mage, combo is gone now.  The other druids don't fare so well.  Control warrior, yeah that is still a great counter.  Too bad not everyone loves playing that specific deck.

^ Aggro decks also counter Freeze Mage pretty hard. Specifically Shaman, which is still going strong post-nerfs.