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WHy do people hate priest? Multiple reasons.

A) An extremely strong deck that was bordering on oppressive until keleseth rogues popped out of stealth.

B)  Long games where you know you've lost for multiple turns.

C) Big Priest.

D) People prefer to lose to an opponent's deck, not their own being stolen. Seriously, people hate stuff stolen.

I don't hate priest, no clue if it's dominant on STD ATM, although it's pretty much the best Wild deck ATM, but i know what people hate about it. And no, being on the bottom does not mean you get to be top without whining. Any top deck gets whines about it, and doubly so if they're justified - which I have no clue about for STD.

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Quote from Draco_Cracona >>

WHy do people hate priest? Multiple reasons.

A) An extremely strong deck that was bordering on oppressive until keleseth rogues popped out of stealth.

B)  Long games where you know you've lost for multiple turns.

C) Big Priest.

D) People prefer to lose to an opponent's deck, not their own being stolen. Seriously, people hate stuff stolen.

I don't hate priest, no clue if it's dominant on STD ATM, although it's pretty much the best Wild deck ATM, but i know what people hate about it. And no, being on the bottom does not mean you get to be top without whining. Any top deck gets whines about it, and doubly so if they're justified - which I have no clue about for STD.

 THIS IS EXACTLY WHY. People (me especially included) absolutely detest losing to their own deck. Blizzard made an absolutely terrible call to allow an entire class identity to revolve around specifically stealing cards from your opponent's deck. It's far more infuriating than anything else in the entire game put together. (I'm not that upset about the rogue version of get a RANDOM card from my class ... random can be garbage or good. But stealing from my DECK is another story ... I don't put garbage in my deck, so the priest is guaranteed something good.)

Well, i I find funny how Priests (and the whole community) complained of Hunter hero power and DK Priest is a control AND finisher version of it. It comes at late game, sure; while hunter hero power comes at a constant ping BUT I find stupid how the whole HS vulgus hated hunter because of it.

To answer the question : the same reason you hate hunters. Priests become priestards at late game (just ping face). 

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 THIS IS EXACTLY WHY. People (me especially included) absolutely detest losing to their own deck. Blizzard made an absolutely terrible call to allow an entire class identity to revolve around specifically stealing cards from your opponent's deck. It's far more infuriating than anything else in the entire game put together. (I'm not that upset about the rogue version of get a RANDOM card from my class ... random can be garbage or good. But stealing from my DECK is another story ... I don't put garbage in my deck, so the priest is guaranteed something good.)

Edit: Also, both major priest decks right now (Highlander and Big) basically feel like the priest is cheating. They fall very close to the border of expoiting game mechanics that I doubt Blizzard intended to be possible when they designed the cards. Especially big priest. RNG of card draw (a feature common to literally every deck ever) is the ONLY reason that both of those decks are not facerolling everything in the game.

The thread asked why people hate priest. I gave an answer. It's fine that you don't like it or disagree or think I'm totally unfounded. But those are my reasons, so I stated them.

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The thread asked why people hate priest. I gave an answer. It's fine that you don't like it or disagree or think I'm totally unfounded. But those are my reasons, so I stated them.

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The thread asked why people hate priest. I gave an answer. It's fine that you don't like it or disagree or think I'm totally unfounded. But those are my reasons, so I stated them.

 Your reasons are demonstrably incorrect, is the thing. If you happen to be right, that those ARE why most people dislike Priest, then this game's playerbase has a STUNNING inability to see the forest for the trees, and I just don't see that as likely.

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The thread asked why people hate priest. I gave an answer. It's fine that you don't like it or disagree or think I'm totally unfounded. But those are my reasons, so I stated them.

 Your reasons are demonstrably incorrect, is the thing. If you happen to be right, that those ARE why most people dislike Priest, then this game's playerbase has a STUNNING inability to see the forest for the trees, and I just don't see that as likely.

 If you're that stunned by it ... you're not very well-versed in human nature. There are few things people dislike more than having someone steal their stuff or feeling like they are powerless to affect the outcome of something they are working toward. The current priest decks cause BOTH of those feelings combined.

No, my opponent's deck is never made of my cards. Their deck is made of cards they chose to include, which may or may not bear any similarity to my own cards. Your argument is utterly invalid.

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Don't say " No, dude, stealing cards is not why anyone dislikes Priest." I clearly stated this was my actual issue with the Priest class in the first page of this thread. Cards like Mind Vision, Thought Steal, Devour Mind and Mind Control are not the best because we constantly live in Aggro Meta, where the quality of cards in most decks is low. The moment the Meta shifts to Control, these cards because absurdly powerful. You won't be copying Alley Cats, you will be copying Yseras. And it is also worth mentioning, that while you can play around Shadow Madness and Potion of Madness, same cannot be said about Mind Vision and the others that affect hand or deck. The only way to play around those cards is by making your deck filled with terrible cards. It is the reason why the Rogue effects are more acceptable than the Priest ones. Rogue can get shit or gold, while Priests always gets gold (They always get cards the opponent chose to put in the deck, which one assumes are good cards),

And Stealing is indeed not the class identity in the majority of the sets. It is a small part, which shouldn't be there at all. I never played Warcraft games, but from all the information I have seen and read up until this point, there was no stealing involved in the class. There was mind reading and such, but that wouldn't be the effects they implemented, and it would also be a much smaller part of the class than it's representation in HS. Then, opposed to that, I found that the Shadow side of Priest, is far more important in the Warcraft games, while in Hearthstone it is pretty much almost nonexistent. So few cards dedicated to the Shadow Priest, while a lot of them dedicated to the Steal Priest, when personally, I think it would make much more sense if it was the other way around. At least, this is the impression I get from the Warcraft games.

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 If you're that stunned by it ... you're not very well-versed in human nature. There are few things people dislike more than having someone steal their stuff or feeling like they are powerless to affect the outcome of something they are working toward. The current priest decks cause BOTH of those feelings combined.

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No, my opponent's deck is never made of my cards. Their deck is made of cards they chose to include, which may or may not bear any similarity to my own cards. Your argument is utterly invalid.

Suppose you could play Raza turn 5 and Anduin turn 8, every game. What does your opponent do to counter you?

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No, my opponent's deck is never made of my cards. Their deck is made of cards they chose to include, which may or may not bear any similarity to my own cards. Your argument is utterly invalid.

 So mirror matches are infuriating then?  When a Rogue has T1 Swashburglar, they're literally using cards from your deck, how dare they!

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Suppose you could play Raza turn 5 and Anduin turn 8, every game. What does your opponent do to counter you?

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I hate Priests, because that's the class that annoyingly emotes me the most. So I actually hate Anduin.

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Suppose you could play Raza turn 5 and Anduin turn 8, every game. What does your opponent do to counter you?

 Don't let things stay alive or get their health down low enough that the free heals don't save the minions? Don't play all your high-attack minions pre Turn 8? Prep to kill Velen or Lyra the second they come out? Increase the cost of your opponent's spells? Set up your own win condition?

This is all kind of moot though since they CAN'T play Raza Turn 5 and Anduin turn 8 every game.

I just hate Big Priest. IMO the deck revolves around rolling dice to attempt to cheat, cause thats what setting up a resummon chain of 8+ mana minions is. It's total BS for the opponent, There is a reason alarm-o-bot sucked stats wise, ancestral call also summoned an opponents minion, etc.

I remember in the old good days people crying out for Control Warrior being oppressive.

"They have too many answers! They stall the entire game and then Alex+Gromm and it's over blablabla"

Grow up guys

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No, my opponent's deck is never made of my cards. Their deck is made of cards they chose to include, which may or may not bear any similarity to my own cards. Your argument is utterly invalid.

 So mirror matches are infuriating then?  When a Rogue has T1 Swashburglar, they're literally using cards from your deck, how dare they!

 I mentioned this already. Swashburgler uses nothing from my DECK. He gets a random card from my CLASS. How can you possibly not understand that distinction?

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 See, but aside from Raza and Anduin, everything in the deck is designed to prevent everything you just mentioned from happening. And you can't burn the opponent down and keep their board under control without using high attack minions. The point is this: If you play Raza on 5 and Anduin on 8, you just win. (Unless you have the worst RNG draw luck in the history of the game for the rest of the top half of your deck.) And that's the most annoying part of playing against Highlander priest; if they get their combo on time, they just win.

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No, my opponent's deck is never made of my cards. Their deck is made of cards they chose to include, which may or may not bear any similarity to my own cards. Your argument is utterly invalid.

 So mirror matches are infuriating then?  When a Rogue has T1 Swashburglar, they're literally using cards from your deck, how dare they!

 I mentioned this already. Swashburgler uses nothing from my DECK. He gets a random card from my CLASS. How can you possibly not understand that distinction?

 Swashburglar is a card in your deck.  That must be infuriating being beaten with your own cards.