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And Bloodlust too! OMG, I cannot stand it when a shaman buffs all his minions by THREE ATTACK!

[Please note the sarcasm]

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Its winrate against all warrior decks is abysmal AND it's unfavored against tempo rogue.

I highly doubt it.

 Have a look down the list here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=WARLOCK&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&archetypes=134

 I did? Now would you have a look at this? https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/134/zoo-warlock#tab=matchups

 Yeah, I see that. And yet the deck's winrate is 65%. Logic does not trump hard data. (If you were linking a page that has a detailed list of matchups, I don't have premium access, so I can't see it.)

Edit: I'm interpreting your argument as "but it has x,y,z bad matchups, so it can't be good." Except that it IS good anyways. The data doesn't lie.

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Its winrate against all warrior decks is abysmal AND it's unfavored against tempo rogue.

I highly doubt it.

 Have a look down the list here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=WARLOCK&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&archetypes=134

So, most of us use the tier list on hsreplay to decide which deck is best right now. Fair enough, as that's based on good data.

However, for some bizarre reason, the hsreplay calculations for the overall winrate of zoolock are WAAAAY off. They have the average winrate at 52% or so, when almost all of the decks are averaging more than 60% winrate, with the most popular deck currently above 65% with more than 70k games played.

And one of zoolock's best matchups is token druid. Just sayin.

Edit: We started this expac with "OMG warrior is the cancer!" Currently we are in the "OMG token druid is the cancer!" I give it a week at most before it's "OMG Zoolock is the cancer!" ... Which actually means the meta is just fine, basically.

Edit #2: Because people seem to think I'm making this up, here's the page with the list of zoolock decks and winrates: https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=WARLOCK&gameType=RANKED_STANDARD&archetypes=134

@Moderators: Can we please get a lock on all these "[deck x] is cancerous OMG" threads? This is beyond ridiculous.

Tempo rogue should do pretty well against token druid. You might not be hitting enough face. Early Backstab and si:7 make a druid cry.

I crafted the carpets, but not yet Rafaam. I didn't think of putting cauldrons. I dont have crystallizers, so I had put in 1 cost Dragon eggs, which have not really panned out well for me overall. I might replace the dragon eggs with cauldrons. Edit: In place of Rafaam, I have the 5 cost 4/5 that makes two extra copies if you play her with 10 mana.

You guys are an eggs-ellent eggs-ample of how to make yolks really enjoy the spirit of the festivities!

You're playing a different game than me. My games are not 40 minutes, and are way more interesting games than I had in the 2 months before the expac. The new meta is quite good overall, and pretty fun. And some of the best decks aren't even that expensive.

hsreplay is mixing in old data from before the expac, or else messing up the overall winrate in some other way. Zoolock is quite likely the highest winrate deck in the game right now, but hsreplay has some kind of error in their calculations. Just pull up the list of zoolock decks and you'll see that there is no way they average out to 52% overall.

Token druid is tanking its winrate right now. It's not king anymore.

Every deck takes skill, and different people like different decks. Which any mature player fully understands. Grow up.

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Sure let me explain it to you, as you fail to see the bigger picture.

Nine lives + bear = draw 6 cards 

Twin spell is 2 removals in 1 card.

Evil miscreant is always discover two answers to current board state and combo is easy as shit to pull off at 3 mana.

Druid again have their cancer twinspell and soul of the forest, leave a board and die.

What does warrior have again? Look at the data not personal opinion.

 I agree 100%. Let's look at the data.

Right now, at the time I'm posting this, the most popular decklist for token druid has 370,000 games played, and is currently taking serious downturn in its winrate. Only 53% winrate right now. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/nMO4cjoONeRGT8LKKSWkA/

The most popular decklist for Bomb Warrior has 170,000 games played, and is currently increasing in it's winrate, which currently stands at 63%. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/DqNs6GelH7jt43XQBKav4g/

So what does warrior have again? Oh, just a 10% better winrate than druid. That's all. Clearly warrior is in terrible shape.

Edit: Can't resist adding Mech hunter to the data also. Most popular deck is only 42,000 games. Current winrate is 43%. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/rmLcmG8Xtj8HiBaalKgsFe/

It's semi-settled, but only until someone finds the new cool thing that's strong.

I say it's semi-settled because of this line of reasoning:

1. The top 6 decks on hsreplay are from 6 different classes (Mech hunter, Mech paladin, Bomb Warrior, Token Druid, Tempo Rogue, Murloc Shaman).

2. ALL SIX of them have a current winrate of 57% in their most popular decklist (not average winrate, but current winrate as of the time I'm posting this), if you round off decimals.

3. That means there are at least six different classes and decks that have very strong deck options. The motivation to innovate in that kind of environment is minimal; most people will have a deck that they like and they can win with it.

So that's my analysis of the situation. It's semi-settled, but someone, somewhere will find something amazing that no one else noticed yet. EDIT: hsreplay has Zoo Warlock near the bottom of tier 2, but its most popular deck has about a 65% winrate currently, and it would add a 7th class and 7th deck to the list.

All I see here is the typical whining about a particular deck list actually being powerful. Which lots of lists right now are, by the way. Powerful decks have to exist, or else the game is boring as hell. Or was no one paying attention the last two months before rotation, after all the powerful decks got gutted? Most boring meta I've ever seen. This one is at least interesting.