-
- ShadowOfFate
- Registered User
-
Member for 9 years, 6 months, and 14 days
Last active Fri, Nov, 20 2015 05:48:20 -
- 4
- 13
- 23
- 0 Followers
- 456 Total Posts
- 259 Thanks
⚙
Learn More
Cosmetics
Related Cards
Card Pools
✕
×
PopCard Settings
Click on the buttons to change the PopCard background.
Elements settings
Click on the button to hide or unhide popcard elements.
0
I'm not saying Grove Tender is bad. I'm saying it's not necessary. Coldlight Oracle is far more necessary. Grove Tenders give 2 cards max per player. Coldlight Oracles give 4. This doesn't count combos. But you would combo with Coldlight because it's twice as efficient. If you were to run a deck with just one, it would be Coldlight. Etc.
Yes, I realize you can run both. But missing an extra 2 mutual card draw at most isn't necessarily game breaking, particularly if you have cards to combo with coldlight. It does improve consistency a bit. But that's all. I think the discover mechanic could become a better alternative to draw in a lot of cases, particularly if it is just single draw.
As far as the aggro match up, that is something that Grove Tender doesn't help with. It either gives them cards or it gives them a crystal to put more on the board faster. You could argue that the crystal is better to give than the card. But they are both not good for you. Honestly, you would be better off running just one of the two versus aggro as opposed to both. And if you run just one, it of course should be Coldlight for reasons explained above.
0
Situational or Combo Mill/Card Burn:
You will likely notice a few things. The first is that Naturalize, Grove Tender, and Mulch are the only things that Druid has that are not neutral. Although, they can be great tools, particularly Naturalize which is some of the best mill in the game. The second is that Coldlight Oracle is basically a fatigue accelerant. This is good because it gives you draw without making up any ground on your opponent. But it's bad because you mill yourself as well. It is therefore best used either for card burn or towards the end to fatigue them IF they are closer.
Now let's look at direct mill again. Of the 4 direct milling options, the only one I don't run is Deathlord because it can be bad for board control. 2 Naturalize and 2 Dancing Swords will only put them closer to fatigue by 6 cards maximum. And that's if you get off every one. While your opponent's own card draw can add a bit to this, it is not to be counted on. So it can be hard to force them too much ahead.
The last thing you may want to notice is that literally everything situational/combo based besides Mulch and King Mukla must rely on at least one of the other cards already mentioned to do any milling. And much of that is meant mostly for Coldlight Oracle. In other words, you aren't going to be good at milling without Coldlight Oracle and something to combo with it. There is so few options for direct mill, and Coldlight Oracle is the only one that is so reusable.
So what does this mean?
It means you almost have to run something to combo with Coldlight Oracle. Outside of Rogue, brewmasters are the best for this. Brann Bronzebeard may be able to combo with it as well. But smart opponents will identify your mill deck and take out Coldlight to prevent this. Brewmasters let you return Coldlight Oracle to the safety of your hand to be played in combo again. The other advantage to brewmasters is they let you replay battlecry minions. Brann will double the effects, but it will only have one target. You can't, for instance, silence the same target twice. Brann will have certain advantages over the brewmasters, such as likely being more efficient for healing. But for milling purposes, it is not as reliable. Brewmasters are better for this. Although, it is likely worth running both.
About your cuts...
I wouldn't recommend cutting all the Brewmasters out as they are vital. IMO, you should run at least 2. Even if you don't use them for mill, they are quite versatile with battlecry minions or for healing minions up after trades.
I would potentially agree with you cutting Poison Seeds and Starfall if you had a better solution for AoE/board clear. Again, a main thing preventing this deck style from being good is that it's hard to get board control back once you lose it. And it's hard to keep board control when you keep giving your opponent cards. But that's what mill does. I'm not married to the cards but there aren't many alternatives.
I liked your other cuts. IMO, Wild Pyromancer does not fit Druid. Grove Tender isn't that great to me. It's sort of like a poor man's Coldlight Oracle with a bit more health.
1
Entomb - because Priest needed more good removal/more ways to steal your cards.
0
0
It's not a bad tempo card. Early, it prevents a lot of minions that could be summoned. might be decent in disrupting the mana curve, such as playing before turn 7 and Dr. Boom. Against Handlock, it stops them from playing turn 4 Twilight Drakes. With Brann Bronzebeard impacting the new meta, I think this card will be pretty decent tech.
0
0
0
Honestly, I'm not a fan of spell heavy mill druid. It has 3 major drawbacks. The first is that it's hard to trade with all the sticky minions in the meta. The second is Druid has very weak board clear. Most of the spells are single target only, and the AoE is very rare and weak. It's hard to be more efficient when you are giving your opponent cards and trying to trade 1 for 1 with spells. The third is that it's hard to regain board control once you lose it. You giving your opponent cards just exacerbates these three problems.
That said, I do believe mill druid should be more of a thing if anything because Naturalize has amazing potential for this. However, I think that it's often more efficient to use creatures that are beefy for the cost and trade versus wrath/swipe/etc. I say that since you generally wind up trading 1 for 1 or worse with spells anyway. Beefy minions, in my opinion, do a bit better on this. This also further supports using cards like Dancing Swords and King Mukla. That just leave the problem of overall board clear, which generally leads to some hail mary Poison Seeds combo. In my experience, that alone is often not good enough.
2
1
0
IMO, I feel like Eerie Statue will be a better alternative, particularly for classes like Druid which have extra silences. Or Warlock.
Although, if the goal is to set up Fel Reaver then I could see a Druid deck with both Ancient Shade and Eerie Statue cards being quite scary.
2
1
2
Honestly, I think the biggest problem here is the 30 card limit. 30 is very small for a card game like this. It forces you to be ruthless with what you cut out of the deck. It also limits some deck types that would be viable. So everything that isn't the best gets cut. And as more and more cards get added, it becomes more of a problem. Reno helps slightly with diversity, but even that is limited.
If you could put in a few more cards in, it would be more viable to put in a few cards that are just barely too weak to make the cut or a couple fun cards. You could also more easily make different deck types, leading to some of the things the op is referring to being viable. IMO, they should vary the cards allowed in decks from 30 to something a bit higher to further add diversity. Those who want consistency could go for 30. Those who want fatigue or diversity could go a bit higher.
-4
Well. I can see why this deck was upvoted. It's so trolly. But you are a funny troll, so that makes it ok. By the way, is there a way we can add spell power to this? I always wanted to try spell power hunter but I could never quite make myself do it.