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Quote from C_A_W >>

Well the other option is Big Bad Voodoo to 1 mana which seemed good to me actually, BUT it might be a "nerf" to Spirit of the Frog, so I tried to avoid nerfing existing interaction (should put it as a "consideration"), by a nerf I mean that big shaman/control shaman doesn't have many 2 cost spells to play, removing one might impact that deck. that being said if anythign I would like that card be buffed as well.

Why not Wartbringer ?

Zentimo is at a similar spot to thunderhead, it's good.. just not good enough a small push could increase his viability a bit, like most boomsday cards buffed he is a really cool card just a bit underpowered.

Zentimo is not played much till now because Control Shaman hasn't saw much play. Now that Rogues are gone and Thunderhead is getting super buffed, Control Shaman and Zentimo should be really good.

Wartbringer can't be buffed in Blizzard's way the only way to buff this minion is to change his text to either require 1 spell, or to deal 3 damage, reducing it to 0 is too much tempo for a tempo deck, adding 1 attack or hp is also something Blizzard trying to avoid on 1 drops.. the change to it's text would make the card slightly more viable.

I tried to make the suggestion realistic cause Blizzard might do it, might look at this kind of threads maybe for inspiration (Who knows.. maybe they do have someone lurking the forums).

Zentimo just looked like the only candidate there to buff he is either -1 mana which is REALLY pushing him since he is already good, and again I don't think Blizzard wants to make cards auto-include in decks or increase his stats I gone with the lesser buff since he is already good.

9 mana huh? we already have that combo with zilliax, now that combo costs 7 in priest or 8 in mage, rather than 9 on warlock you don't need glinda. it's a 4 card combo TTK, can cost 5 mana as well if you reduce the combo pieces with galvanizer...

but it's wild we are talking about games in wild are over by turn 4.

TBH if you looked at the blizzard changed you would notice a pattern in them, since the cards were tested and the design space is there all that was changed in the cards were mana costs, +1 hp or +1 attack nothing else.. so we can expect future blizzard buffs to be similar.

Pounce - too strong the card is fine as is. the jump from 2 to 3 is too much.

Spirit of the Raptor you can't give your hero permanent +2 attack that's too much, it means the enemy get recoil when they attack you.

Lynx same as I did in my recent buff thread.

The Beast Within- fine I guess.. maybe +2/+1 good enough. would just make it cost 0.

Spirit of the Dragonhawk - spirits are 0/3 that's it.. unless blizzard feels like making ALL spirits 0/4 which they might.. since none of them see play.

Scorch - goes in line with Vendetta

A New Challenger... - sure why not.

Farraki Battleaxe - ok, will probably not see play with this change either.

Surrender to Madness - do we really want this card being played? it's a highroll card, think it might be much more highrolly with the coin cause you can cast it for less of a drawback.. or maybe I am too paranoid about keleseth.. and it should cost 1.

Sand Drudge the hp buff is enough.. that being said priest just can't really use the tokens as well as other classes so even with that change..

Gurubashi Hypemon - ye ok

Stolen Steel - sure still bad but sure.

Wartbringer - maybe 3 damage? 4 seems like a lot.

Zentimo - that's really pushing the card I am sure it was at 2 at some point but Blizzard was wary of giving shaman too much stuff.

Demon Bolt - now that guldan is in wild maybe..

Spirit of the Bat - ALL minions.. in zoo? this can go out of hand really quickly..

Overlord's Whip- might as well be a new card see the Opening note about the Blizzard buff policy.

Sul'traze - this card is already good enough it's not played cause rush warrior is not played.

 You are used to the playstyle of control warrior, you try to play tempo decks in a controlling way so you win much less with them, you could set 2 or even 3 turn lethal with the tempo decks but you are too busy "trump trading" cause you are used to the control warrior style of clearing every minion you see, if you want to win more with tempo decks you need to start balancing between clearing the opponent minions and going face to close up games.

It's so you have something to look for mostly, it also makes it so people don't get done with the adventure too fast.

Quote from C_A_W >>

No need to buff Zentimo, it is NOT a bad card.

Well the other option is Big Bad Voodoo to 1 mana which seemed good to me actually, BUT it might be a "nerf" to Spirit of the Frog, so I tried to avoid nerfing existing interaction (should put it as a "consideration"), by a nerf I mean that big shaman/control shaman doesn't have many 2 cost spells to play, removing one might impact that deck. that being said if anythign I would like that card be buffed as well.

Zentimo has premium 1 mana card stats, the change I suggest to his attack doesn't change much in his niche (if Blizzard really wanted to push the card I would suggest to move it to 2 mana), it would just make it less bad to play it for tempo losing 1 mana of tempo compared to 2 (a 2/3 body is played for 2 commonly).

Zentimo is at a similar spot to thunderhead, it's good.. just not good enough a small push could increase his viability a bit, like most boomsday cards buffed he is a really cool card just a bit underpowered.

@Dendroid, I think you meant buffs

Quote from Anton_ >>

Warsong Commander Your Rush minions have Charge instead?

or is this too much what u guys think??

 It's too much and blizzard will never do that.

I am suggesting to buff expansion cards rather than classic/basic cards since those just make the game stale if they are good compared to expansion cards that rotate.

Looking at the recent buffs, it seems like we will finally have less cards that are bad and could be better with a slight (or large looking at you Dr. Morrigan/Luna's Pocket Galaxy) buff to cards so I think it would be fun to think about cards that might be buffed on the future on similar fashion, nerfs disscussions are almost always about being mad about losing to stuff but discussing buffs is always fun and exciting(at least for me)

So suggest some buffs to cards in similar fashion (-1 mana, +1 hp,+1 attack or -2 mana if it's really underpowered) to make an underused/almost viable/meme card a consideration or even a build around card.

I will start with rastakan's rumble this expansion had a lot of really underpowered cards printed I will do the 18 buff treatment, you could take any expansion, a single class just throwing ideas.

put under spoiler so people don't need to scroll though it every time they try to comment here.. (if this thread even becomes popular)

I am fine with it, it's a nerf to a mana cheating card.. that constricts design space this card was never used outside of Mechathun combo (which isn't changed due to this change)

snip snap is suppoused to be a strong card to really spice up the meta , the combo with this card would be insane, priest would just OTK you early game by playing mechs.. you don't even need to play "the combo" good thing this was adressed before it became a problem it shows that blizzard REALLY started looking at the community feedback.

Quote from lMarcusl >>

It was hard to judge at first since we got two wings in the same week at launch, but looking at this wing seperately, this does not seem worth 700 gold or the cash equivalent. Yeah you get 3 packs but what is all this extra gold/money buying you? Over half of the bosses I've faced on both normal and heroic were reused, the whole Twist mechanic in this case just makes gameplay worse to the point of hurting replayability and yeah I unlocked 2 more classes and their decks and hero powers but Blizz were the ones who locked them away in the first place. So really, aside from a small handful of new bosses, each wing really just brings with it the Twist mechanic, which wouldn't even be enough to base a Tavern Brawl on. Paying that much extra gold or money for three dormant carts on the board does not seem worth it. They should add way more new bosses to change things up.

 There are a few unique bosses per chapter, and you have both the combination of decks and hero powers to test out, plus the treasure passive choices etc. After last chapter you should have anomaly mode. 

You get 15 packs of ros those cost already 30 bucks so if you do it just for packs only that is worth. The golden pack is worth 260 dust minimum so it's worth around 5 packs.. So packwise you get 20 packs of worth. The last chapter is also extra challenging

They should give out a few boomsday packs in my opinion around 10 free ones to give more to people who disenchanted those "bad" cards

Disenchant her you can always enchant her again

Quote from Shadowrisen >>

Yeah, as much as I hate early calls for nerfs, I have to add my normally EXTREMELY conservative voice to the call here.

I built this deck a couple of ways, and basically no matter how I do it, I end up with a deck that is either going to draw the Experimenter, Coppertail, and Ringer/Sn4p . . . . or lose horribly.

The options in Standard to deal with a 4/4 stealthed minion on turn 4 are few and far between.  Taunt is not going to get it done against priest's numerous silence options.

On the other hand, the options to deal with a 4/4 stealth later in the game, OR to kill the priest in 6-7 turns, are numerous.

So you end up with a deck that basically cannot be beat if it draws perfectly, and cannot win under any other circumstances.

 

And even if the deck were to become very popular, the stealth mechanic does not lend itself to being efficiently teched against, so even if you are inclined to target opponents who roll the dice on the possibility of the early combo, there aren't many options with which to do so.

I'm not relishing the thought of this echoing Menace in the first place, but certainly we have an issue here with this combo.

 You can also run a tempo shell with sticky mechs.. It works for hunter, priest could run a similar shell with extra arms it's more viable, yes the nomi priest shell is strong but for this broken combo it's too feast or famine. 

Quote from cordobatim >>

Ran into two Control Warriors today that weren't running Archivist Elysiana. Maybe they weren't using her before, but it really seemed strange. Just because she went up to 9 doesn't mean she's now worthless.

 The sample size is too large. 

Quote from ThePlan43 >>

Its GG for hearthstone if Reckless Experimenter isnt nerfed.

Turn 2: Dead Ringer to draw SN1P SN4P

Turn 3: Play any mech

Turn 4: If you have coin, coin out Reckless Experimenter and its GG with SN1P SN4P

Congratulations. Your dead on turn 4

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