man i playing mostly rogue, yeah. and there is always bunch of crying babies. Rogue was always amazing to play even with 2 (two!) nerfs of The Caverns Below. there always be haters, and now they are crying to nerf PreparationEdwin VanCleef or move Leeroy Jenkins to hall of fame. there always be Tier s and tons of you, who cant tech your deck with counter cards, lets cry together!
Crying who? me? because I accused you of being netdecker? You got the wrong idea. If I want to beat Rogue I can do it easily with Secret Hunter , boring as f Control warrior, I have even smashed almost every rogue I faced with rush warrior, Handbuff Mech Paladin, Mech Hunter and so on, so on, these are decks I have personally used with positive win rate against rogue.
As for the nerfs, I disagree with both prep and VanCleef nerfs that are proposed by some. The only card I would nerf is Raiding Party, and you must be really bad at the game, or a Rogue fanboy, if you are not able to diagnose that's an OP card. Also Leeroy is not even rogue class card to begin with, LULW, but I think that you are kinda mistaken here. Go through the HOFs, what they have stated multiple times , the push on rush archetype, and so on, so on. Leeroy will not be nerfed, he will be HOFed, next year. Mark my words, I will revisit this comment on April either I am wrong or right :)
This rhetoric of accusing people of ”crying” is one of the most childish things one can do in a discussion. Maybe grow a pair and come up with real counter arguments?
I don’t agree with the list of nerfs the OP proposes, but i do agree that the so-called class identity of rogue (embodied in certain type of cards) is a persisting problem.
The cards offered obviously are all not going to get the hammer. But there's enough cards that have been "Long Term Problems" that the class in and of itself needs to be looked at. Rogue fans need to realize that the health of the game is far more important than the power level/enjoyment of one class. The game suffered through it's worst year ever last year due to Genn and Baku. It cannot sustain another bad year of that ilk and Tempo Rogue threatens that.
The furthest back I can research is One night in Karazhan. Rogue wasn't much of an impact that year but was in the mid-range of the classes. As soon as Un'Goro released Rogue catapaulted to 20% played as a class. Crystal Rogue and Tempo Rogue were the decks
Soon after Knights of the Frozen Throne, Tempo Rogue was the top deck and Rogue was the top played class for much of the period of this expansion. Despite the nerfs to Crystal that happened and would happen again
After Kobolds and Catacombs released, Tempo Rogue took a backseat for a while. This was fairly consistent for this entire expansion
After Witchwood launched Odd Rogue came into existance which replaced Tempo Rogue for much of 2018. I equate them to generally one and the same type of deck because they function similarly to playing things on curve and smorcing face down. Rogue would remain a top played class through Witchwood.
Rogue maintained a top 3 position in classes played through the summer and throughout Boomsday. Not overwhelming but still in the top trio of classes in the game.
Rogue finally fell back after Rastakhan's rumble to the 2nd trio of classes played (4th through 6th) because of the overwhelming popularity of Hunter.
Which brings us into Rise of Shadows where Rogue is the unquestioned top class. Again it has consistently been amongst the top classes in the entire game and often sat at the throne of the game. Right now is approaching Jade Idol Druid levels of playrate and the winrate isn't even with the playrate but what would be? 56% winrate or higher? It's still a tier 1 deck imo even with everyone targetting it actively.
There are changes that "Have" to be made and it needs to be done sooner than later.
Just of note on those whom think "rank 20 babies is a good insult and valid". I've been Legend many times and the months I don't reach it are due to lack of playing time rather than ability. But thank you for the valued input.
Crying who? me? because I accused you of being netdecker? You got the wrong idea. If I want to beat Rogue I can do it easily with Secret Hunter , boring as f Control warrior, I have even smashed almost every rogue I faced with rush warrior, Handbuff Mech Paladin, Mech Hunter and so on, so on, these are decks I have personally used with positive win rate against rogue.
As for the nerfs, I disagree with both prep and VanCleef nerfs that are proposed by some. The only card I would nerf is Raiding Party, and you must be really bad at the game, or a Rogue fanboy, if you are not able to diagnose that's an OP card. Also Leeroy is not even rogue class card to begin with, LULW, but I think that you are kinda mistaken here. Go through the HOFs, what they have stated multiple times , the push on rush archetype, and so on, so on. Leeroy will not be nerfed, he will be HOFed, next year. Mark my words, I will revisit this comment on April either I am wrong or right :)
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This rhetoric of accusing people of ”crying” is one of the most childish things one can do in a discussion. Maybe grow a pair and come up with real counter arguments?
I don’t agree with the list of nerfs the OP proposes, but i do agree that the so-called class identity of rogue (embodied in certain type of cards) is a persisting problem.
The cards offered obviously are all not going to get the hammer. But there's enough cards that have been "Long Term Problems" that the class in and of itself needs to be looked at. Rogue fans need to realize that the health of the game is far more important than the power level/enjoyment of one class. The game suffered through it's worst year ever last year due to Genn and Baku. It cannot sustain another bad year of that ilk and Tempo Rogue threatens that.
The furthest back I can research is One night in Karazhan. Rogue wasn't much of an impact that year but was in the mid-range of the classes. As soon as Un'Goro released Rogue catapaulted to 20% played as a class. Crystal Rogue and Tempo Rogue were the decks
Soon after Knights of the Frozen Throne, Tempo Rogue was the top deck and Rogue was the top played class for much of the period of this expansion. Despite the nerfs to Crystal that happened and would happen again
After Kobolds and Catacombs released, Tempo Rogue took a backseat for a while. This was fairly consistent for this entire expansion
After Witchwood launched Odd Rogue came into existance which replaced Tempo Rogue for much of 2018. I equate them to generally one and the same type of deck because they function similarly to playing things on curve and smorcing face down. Rogue would remain a top played class through Witchwood.
Rogue maintained a top 3 position in classes played through the summer and throughout Boomsday. Not overwhelming but still in the top trio of classes in the game.
Rogue finally fell back after Rastakhan's rumble to the 2nd trio of classes played (4th through 6th) because of the overwhelming popularity of Hunter.
Which brings us into Rise of Shadows where Rogue is the unquestioned top class. Again it has consistently been amongst the top classes in the entire game and often sat at the throne of the game. Right now is approaching Jade Idol Druid levels of playrate and the winrate isn't even with the playrate but what would be? 56% winrate or higher? It's still a tier 1 deck imo even with everyone targetting it actively.
There are changes that "Have" to be made and it needs to be done sooner than later.
Pretty much this.
Just of note on those whom think "rank 20 babies is a good insult and valid". I've been Legend many times and the months I don't reach it are due to lack of playing time rather than ability. But thank you for the valued input.
wow i got scammed so i am crying now ;(