But me and many others believe this is not enough. Buzzard/Uth is obviously broken and the nerf is warranted.
But I don't see this as enough. Webspinners are ridiculous. 1 mana to trade a 1/1 for any random beast available in the game. No one in thier right mind will waste a silence on it, so it's always a no-brainer to just toss it right out there.
Animal Companion. 3 mana to get either 4/2 charge, 4/4 taunt or 2/4 +1AP to all minions. Again, guaranteed profit card. No-brainer, just slap it out there.
Savannah Highmane. Better than most legendaries. If this card would be a neutral legendary card, everyone who could afford it, would craft it.
Hunters mark. ZERO mana to dump HP of a minion to 1. Zero mana. Needless to say, this card is just screaming to get nerfed.
Flare. Remove stealth. Draw a card. Destroy all enemy secrets. All that in one card? Must have a hogh cost, right?! Nah, 1 mana.
Secrets: This is imo the biggest problem, by far. Cheap. COMPLETE game changer. Cripples the opponent massively and just bars so many moves. Absolutely horroble to go against. And the only class that have secret removals are hunters themselves.
These cards are all way too strong. I've played hunter to Rank 6 w/o legendaries or epics. It's absolutely mind numbingly easy. Basically just toss out whatever you've got on hand and profit. No-brainer cards through and through. So cheap to get a super solid deck.
So my question is, what will they nerf next? I'm hoping for secrets mostly. That wouöd somewhat make it a bit more fair.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Edit: Not sure why this was sibjected as deck release. Not a very smartphone/tablet friendly website to use.
But me and many others believe this is not enough. Buzzard/Uth is obviously broken and the nerf is warranted.
But I don't see this as enough. Webspinners are ridiculous. 1 mana to trade a 1/1 for any random beast available in the game. No one in thier right mind will waste a silence on it, so it's always a no-brainer to just toss it right out there.
Animal Companion. 3 mana to get either 4/2 charge, 4/4 taunt or 2/4 +1AP to all minions. Again, guaranteed profit card. No-brainer, just slap it out there.
Savannah Highmane. Better than most legendaries. If this card would be a neutral legendary card, everyone who could afford it, would craft it.
Hunters mark. ZERO mana to dump HP of a minion to 1. Zero mana. Needless to say, this card is just screaming to get nerfed.
Flare. Remove stealth. Draw a card. Destroy all enemy secrets. All that in one card? Must have a hogh cost, right?! Nah, 1 mana.
Secrets: This is imo the biggest problem, by far. Cheap. COMPLETE game changer. Cripples the opponent massively and just bars so many moves. Absolutely horroble to go against. And the only class that have secret removals are hunters themselves.
These cards are all way too strong. I've played hunter to Rank 6 w/o legendaries or epics. It's absolutely mind numbingly easy. Basically just toss out whatever you've got on hand and profit. No-brainer cards through and through. So cheap to get a super solid deck.
So my question is, what will they nerf next? I'm hoping for secrets mostly. That wouöd somewhat make it a bit more fair.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Edit: Not sure why this was sibjected as deck release. Not a very smartphone/tablet friendly website to use.
all those card which you listed doesnt need nerf actually. Those are pretty solid and balanced cards + they are hunter only card which would make them very profitting use. Hunters only problem was that they could draw whole deck out almost in one turn. Now beacuse that is closed out, they wont be anymore be harm.
While it would be nice to have a neutral secret removal option, we did not even had the first nerfs and did not even saw the outcome. So please be patient and do not ask for more nerfs at the moment.
Cool thread.. I suggest they arrest whomever tries to play Hunter next!
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You can't harass members who play Face Hunter, nor are they compelled to make preemptive apologies or justifications for playing it. They don't hack or crack their opponents' game, they simply play existing cards that form a specific deck. If you suck at countering Face Hunter, you should blame the designers, not the community.
My main point is basically, that every other class need to have a structure/combo/thought-process behind their decks. Even Zoo, which is absolutely disgusting, need to have some sort of rotation to work.
Hunter decks are basically just play what you've got on hand and profit, without drawback. That's my quarrel with Hunter. And I'm obviously not saying nerf every card I listed, but there are many cards in the hunter arsenal that need to be looked at for possible adjustments. How can anyone defend hunter's mark without being biased?
I could explain all about how a card game works to you, and how important having a draw engine is, and that any deck that lacks that ability won't really matter that much but, you clearly are wayyy too smart not to understand such a simple concept.
It hasn't been removed, it has been adjusted/nerfed. And rightfully so I might add.
My main point is basically, that every other class need to have a structure/combo/thought-process behind their decks. Even Zoo, which is absolutely disgusting, need to have some sort of rotation to work.
Hunter decks are basically just play what you've got on hand and profit, without drawback. That's my quarrel with Hunter. And I'm obviously not saying nerf every card I listed, but there are many cards in the hunter arsenal that need to be looked at for possible adjustments. How can anyone defend hunter's mark without being biased?
With the actual Nerf try to play all you have in hand and then watch your opponent win.
In my opinion (and not only mine) the broken thing was only the Draw Power...
I could explain all about how a card game works to you, and how important having a draw engine is, and that any deck that lacks that ability won't really matter that much but, you clearly are wayyy too smart not to understand such a simple concept.
please senpai tell me what is the shaman draw engine
Continuing the earlier post about arresting anyone who picks Hunter, I think there should be a warrant for Reynad's arrest for basically making Zoo and Midrange Hunter the most overplayed, annoying decks in the game. He didn't create them, but he sure as heck made them popular enough that everyone uses them.
OMG, you got ALL THE WAY TO RANK 6?! Hunter MUST be broken then. I find it telling that you didn't get to legend. Calling for more nerfs is much easier than figuring out how to beat a powerful strategy isn't it?
That's the whole point. A Hunter has no strategy. Every card is just play-to-profit. No thought process or repercussions for bad play. Every card is just a no-brainer and secrets are way too powerful and cheap.
Getting to rank 6 is quite an effort. Or rather, should be quite an effort. That's where I usually stand with Shaman, Paladin, Rogue or Handlock. As you might have seen in the recent Blizzard post, you can see that a fairly low % or players reach that high.
It's incredibly easy to play Hunter. It's exactly like in World of Warcraft. Blizzard has managed to make the classes very similar to the game they originated from. Tip my hat in that regard. But I would love to see the hunter class actually become a class that would, like you said, require an actual strategy.
Getting to rank 6 is quite an effort. Or rather, should be quite an effort. That's where I usually stand with Shaman, Paladin, Rogue or Handlock. As you might have seen in the recent Blizzard post, you can see that a fairly low % or players reach that high.
It's incredibly easy to play Hunter.
So since you've managed to reach rank 6 you must be right because blizzard said you are a slight tiny bit better than the casual scrub. Yeah right :P People that have reached legend several seasons in a row since beta says you are wrong and I'd rather put my pennies on them than you.
Why am I not suprised that 9/10 comments are just snarky remarks and flaming?
I'm actually addressing some issues and I'd like to hear people's opinion on the points I made. Who cares about your anonymous insults? I don't. So they're just a waste of time.
Is it possible to get one reply that's at least a tad serious? Why are you so mad? It's not like I've presented a case to a judge and you're on the ropes. Blizzard don't give a damn about what people post here. Just like they didn't care about ArenaJunkies back in the day. You don't have to defend the hunter class, just to defend it. But if you do, please try to make a valid point countering my opinions.
I figured this would make for interesting discussion. Apparently there's not an audience here mature enough for a normal debate.
I'm actually addressing some issues and I'd like to hear people's opinion on the points I made
I figured this would make for interesting discussion. Apparently there's not an audience here mature enough for a normal debate.
Your original post is written as if what you are stating are facts. Which is is not. It is your opinion. You word your posts like you are some kind of Hearthstone MLG pro. Yet you havent even broken past rank 5. It seems like you think you know it all, when clearly you have much yet to learn about the game.
Thus I get annoyed and reply with "snarky" posts. Had you been wording yourself differently then constructive debate might have taken place.
I'm actually addressing some issues and I'd like to hear people's opinion on the points I made
I figured this would make for interesting discussion. Apparently there's not an audience here mature enough for a normal debate.
Your original post is written as if what you are stating are facts. Which is is not. It is your opinion. You word your posts like you are some kind of Hearthstone MLG pro. Yet you havent even broken past rank 5. It seems like you think you know it all, when clearly you have much yet to learn about the game.
Thus I get annoyed and reply with "snarky" posts. Had you been wording yourself differently then constructive debate might have taken place.
Oh, so you're the sensitive type? :)
Not very well adviced to get mad at a random internet forum post. Waste of energy, mate.
Well, I take it that since you still can only resort to insults and not address a single point, you can feel ,ore than free to not contribute. Pretty easy solution.
I've played HS since Naxx came out, so I sure do hope that I have a lot to learn :) You seem to going back to insulting my rank. Rank 6 isn't bad for a month of experience. Your anger is probably a reflection of how poorly you're doing yourseld in the ranked ladder, which is really sad.
If you'd like to contribute with something that actually argues the point(s), you can of course feel free to do so, but something tells me that's not likely to happen :)
Good huntin' Rexxar.
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Alright, so hunter nerf is hitting today.
But me and many others believe this is not enough. Buzzard/Uth is obviously broken and the nerf is warranted.
But I don't see this as enough. Webspinners are ridiculous. 1 mana to trade a 1/1 for any random beast available in the game. No one in thier right mind will waste a silence on it, so it's always a no-brainer to just toss it right out there.
Animal Companion. 3 mana to get either 4/2 charge, 4/4 taunt or 2/4 +1AP to all minions. Again, guaranteed profit card. No-brainer, just slap it out there.
Savannah Highmane. Better than most legendaries. If this card would be a neutral legendary card, everyone who could afford it, would craft it.
Hunters mark. ZERO mana to dump HP of a minion to 1. Zero mana. Needless to say, this card is just screaming to get nerfed.
Flare. Remove stealth. Draw a card. Destroy all enemy secrets. All that in one card? Must have a hogh cost, right?! Nah, 1 mana.
Secrets: This is imo the biggest problem, by far. Cheap. COMPLETE game changer. Cripples the opponent massively and just bars so many moves. Absolutely horroble to go against. And the only class that have secret removals are hunters themselves.
These cards are all way too strong. I've played hunter to Rank 6 w/o legendaries or epics. It's absolutely mind numbingly easy. Basically just toss out whatever you've got on hand and profit. No-brainer cards through and through. So cheap to get a super solid deck.
So my question is, what will they nerf next? I'm hoping for secrets mostly. That wouöd somewhat make it a bit more fair.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Edit: Not sure why this was sibjected as deck release. Not a very smartphone/tablet friendly website to use.
all those card which you listed doesnt need nerf actually. Those are pretty solid and balanced cards + they are hunter only card which would make them very profitting use. Hunters only problem was that they could draw whole deck out almost in one turn. Now beacuse that is closed out, they wont be anymore be harm.
Those card never need nerf is my opnion.
Living and die by the blade
While it would be nice to have a neutral secret removal option, we did not even had the first nerfs and did not even saw the outcome. So please be patient and do not ask for more nerfs at the moment.
Hunter are already nerfed to bits with the buzzard nerf. It does NOT need more nerfs!
Cool thread.. I suggest they arrest whomever tries to play Hunter next!
You can't harass members who play Face Hunter, nor are they compelled to make preemptive apologies or justifications for playing it. They don't hack or crack their opponents' game, they simply play existing cards that form a specific deck. If you suck at countering Face Hunter, you should blame the designers, not the community.
THIS, my friend, is THE final solution.
(Irony inside!)
...Too young to die, too drunk to live...
My main point is basically, that every other class need to have a structure/combo/thought-process behind their decks. Even Zoo, which is absolutely disgusting, need to have some sort of rotation to work.
Hunter decks are basically just play what you've got on hand and profit, without drawback. That's my quarrel with Hunter. And I'm obviously not saying nerf every card I listed, but there are many cards in the hunter arsenal that need to be looked at for possible adjustments. How can anyone defend hunter's mark without being biased?
If Keeper of the Grove or Druid of the Claw were legendaries they would still be staples to be crafted. Doesn't mean they are OP, so I don't see how that's relevant to Savannah Highmane's power.
professional pilferers prefer proper preparation
It hasn't been removed, it has been adjusted/nerfed. And rightfully so I might add.
With the actual Nerf try to play all you have in hand and then watch your opponent win.
In my opinion (and not only mine) the broken thing was only the Draw Power...
...Too young to die, too drunk to live...
I would actually like this to happen
please senpai tell me what is the shaman draw engine
Continuing the earlier post about arresting anyone who picks Hunter, I think there should be a warrant for Reynad's arrest for basically making Zoo and Midrange Hunter the most overplayed, annoying decks in the game. He didn't create them, but he sure as heck made them popular enough that everyone uses them.
That's the whole point. A Hunter has no strategy. Every card is just play-to-profit. No thought process or repercussions for bad play. Every card is just a no-brainer and secrets are way too powerful and cheap.
Getting to rank 6 is quite an effort. Or rather, should be quite an effort. That's where I usually stand with Shaman, Paladin, Rogue or Handlock. As you might have seen in the recent Blizzard post, you can see that a fairly low % or players reach that high.
It's incredibly easy to play Hunter. It's exactly like in World of Warcraft. Blizzard has managed to make the classes very similar to the game they originated from. Tip my hat in that regard. But I would love to see the hunter class actually become a class that would, like you said, require an actual strategy.
So since you've managed to reach rank 6 you must be right because blizzard said you are a slight tiny bit better than the casual scrub. Yeah right :P
People that have reached legend several seasons in a row since beta says you are wrong and I'd rather put my pennies on them than you.
Why am I not suprised that 9/10 comments are just snarky remarks and flaming?
I'm actually addressing some issues and I'd like to hear people's opinion on the points I made. Who cares about your anonymous insults? I don't. So they're just a waste of time.
Is it possible to get one reply that's at least a tad serious? Why are you so mad? It's not like I've presented a case to a judge and you're on the ropes. Blizzard don't give a damn about what people post here. Just like they didn't care about ArenaJunkies back in the day. You don't have to defend the hunter class, just to defend it. But if you do, please try to make a valid point countering my opinions.
I figured this would make for interesting discussion. Apparently there's not an audience here mature enough for a normal debate.
Your original post is written as if what you are stating are facts. Which is is not. It is your opinion.
You word your posts like you are some kind of Hearthstone MLG pro. Yet you havent even broken past rank 5.
It seems like you think you know it all, when clearly you have much yet to learn about the game.
Thus I get annoyed and reply with "snarky" posts.
Had you been wording yourself differently then constructive debate might have taken place.
Warrior and priest are gonna beat the heck out of miracle. No more leeroy 2 shadowstep haha
Oh, so you're the sensitive type? :)
Not very well adviced to get mad at a random internet forum post. Waste of energy, mate.
Well, I take it that since you still can only resort to insults and not address a single point, you can feel ,ore than free to not contribute. Pretty easy solution.
I've played HS since Naxx came out, so I sure do hope that I have a lot to learn :) You seem to going back to insulting my rank. Rank 6 isn't bad for a month of experience. Your anger is probably a reflection of how poorly you're doing yourseld in the ranked ladder, which is really sad.
If you'd like to contribute with something that actually argues the point(s), you can of course feel free to do so, but something tells me that's not likely to happen :)
Good huntin' Rexxar.