XIII's Deathfire Rogue
- Last updated Apr 10, 2017 (Un'Goro Launch)
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Wild
- 19 Minions
- 11 Spells
- Deck Type: Theorycraft
- Deck Archetype: Quest Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 13720
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/3/2017 (Aggro Downfall)
- XIII
- Registered User
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Total Deck Rating
617
Why the name "Deathfire" ?
It's a mix of "Death" from Deathrattle and "Fire" from the Fire-related Elementals this deck is based on. So just refer to that archetype as "Deathfire", mainly because it sounds so awesome, but also for my ego. (XIII™)
What is The Caverns Below's activator ?
The Flame Elemental, given by Fire Fly and Igneous Elemental.
What are the ways to activate it faster ?
Useful cards to help completing The Caverns Below faster are Shadowstep and Shadowcaster, allowing to bounce the Flame Elemental. With luck, Bloodthistle Toxin also has that effect.
Also with luck, Mimic Pod and Barnes can give other copies of Fire Fly or Igneous Elemental. Spiritsinger Umbra with the latter also give 2 Flame Elemental in hand for the quest.
There are Bloodmage Thalnos, Loot Hoarder, and sometimes Kingsblood Toxin that can help drawing the Fire Fly / Igneous Elemental and combo options faster.
What to do after The Caverns Below is completed ?
When the Crystal Core is played, some Flame Elemental should be on the board which all become 5/5 due to the quest. Fire Fly thus helps to swarm, literally giving two 5/5.
There is in this deck a lot of cards with low stats compared to their mana cost, which therefore benefit a lot from the Crystal Core : Bloodmage Thalnos, Loot Hoarder, Igneous Elemental, Xaril, Poisoned Mind, Barnes, Spiritsinger Umbra, Shadowcaster, Vilespine Slayer.
Among them, Barnes and Shadowcaster are especially cool because their effect will provide 5/5 cards instead of 1/1 ones. They are perfect in that archetype, after or before the Crystal Core.
A forgotten card is here for the main purpose of abusing of the Crystal Core once completed : Sergeant Sally. It allows a crazy 5 damages board clear and the combo with Spiritsinger Umbra shouldn't be underestimated.
In late game, N'Zoth, the Corruptor acts as the game finisher. There are 7 Deathrattles minions : Bloodmage Thalnos, Loot Hoarder, Igneous Elemental, Sergeant Sally, Xaril, Poisoned Mind. It's possible to get more Deathrattles with Barnes and Shadowcaster. Even after that nice board is cleared, the Deathrattles activate and other options become available, including the possibility to fill the board with a new wave of Flame Elemental thanks to the Igneous Elemental.
What are the other good cards ?
Backstab : Quick, grants an early removal and allows an easily activation of the Combo effect of Eviscerate or Vilespine Slayer. Necessary against aggressive decks, and just good overall.
Preparation : Speeds up the deck a lot, it's also a combo effect enabler and it makes spells like Eviscerate, Shadow Strike or Mimic Pod to cost 0. In addition, it makes Crystal Core cost only 2, which means more minions can be summoned at the same time you play it.
Eviscerate : A necessary removal that can be used to burst and finish a game. The Combo effect can easily be activated with Backstab, Preparation, Shadowstep, the Toxins or even a Fire Fly and Flame Elemental.
Shadow Strike : A great removal to handle the early game before the Crystal Core. It can also be noted that it can activate a 5/5 Sergeant Sally and that it's great against another Quest Rogue.
Mimic Pod : A lot of awesome incomes. Can be better than Arcane Intellect from the Mage class, or worse depending on the luck. As there is a lot of combos in the deck, that's a good card overall.
Tar Creeper : This deck needs to handle the early game against aggressive decks, which this card does well. It also has the purpose to activate the Tol'vir Stoneshaper. On Barnes or a Shadowcaster, it's still a 3/1 Taunt... or a 7/5 Taunt once the quest is completed !
Xaril, Poisoned Mind : It synergies well with Spiritsinger Umbra / N'Zoth, the Corruptor and is even good with Shadowstep or Shadowcaster. All Toxins are interesting : Bloodthistle Toxin to bounce Flame Elemental, Briarthorn Toxin with Sergeant Sally and to trade with all the tokens, Fadeleaf Toxin can be interesting to burst or to prepare a Shadowcaster, Firebloom Toxin is nice because this deck doesn't have that much removals, and finally the Kingsblood Toxin is good to draw the Elementals faster. An excellent card throughout the game.
Tol'vir Stoneshaper : As you have a lot of early game Elementals (Flame Elemental, Fire Fly, Igneous Elemental, Tar Creeper), it's just awesome on the curve and it's hard to remove.
Vilespine Slayer : Same as for Eviscerate, the Combo effect is easily activated. It acts as a huge minion removal to take the board in mid-game. Also good with Shadowstep and Shadowcaster.
Are there nice combos ? What are they ?
With Barnes : In the first place Sergeant Sally is a 1/1 so she is okay. The 6 other Deathrattles I mentionned above are also excellent with him. If the income is one of the Battlecry minions, Shadowstep and Shadowcaster can help to make it still worth it. Finally, if he summons Spiritsinger Umbra, the opponent will have to clear it or the next turn could be god-like.
With Spiritsinger Umbra : It's simple : more draw with Bloodmage Thalnos and Loot Hoarder, more Flame Elemental with Igneous Elemental, more Toxins with Xaril, Poisoned Mind, and a sick board clear with a 5/5 Sergeant Sally (plus two 5/5 on the board, guaranting the control of it). Plus, if it happens to be on the board when you play N'Zoth, the Corruptor... Well, I'm dreaming.
With Shadowcaster : On Fire Fly to have another Flame Elemental (or directly on the latter), on Igneous Elemental for the same reason, on Sergeant Sally to basically have a 1-mana cost one, on the token given by Barnes, and on Spiritsinger Umbra for quick combos... Later on, every card you copy is 5/5, making things like Tar Creeper or Tol'vir Stoneshaper worth it as well.
Side cards that can enter the deck :
Moroes, good income on Barnes, awesome with Crystal Core because this is a 5/5 Stealth (and thus is very hard to kill) and he will have a lot of value, giving another 5/5 every turn. Though, it's only good when you have The Caverns Below completed so it may be slow.
Gluttonous Ooze is great against Pirate Warrior, especially with cards like Shadowcaster or Shadowstep to really annoy them. It also works against Wicked Knife from the Rogue's Dagger Mastery or Blood Fury from Lord Jaraxxus, and some Hunter / Paladin / Shaman also play weapons so it's not a dead card in most match-ups. Since it's early game-oriented, you can cut N'Zoth, the Corruptor for it.
Golakka Crawler can be considered if there are too much pirates in the metagame, which is the case at the moment (Pirate Warriors, Quest Rogue, Aggro Druid...). So, if these are the match-ups you want to target, they can enter the deck. It's a great card to take the board against these decks.
SI:7 Agent works well with Shadowstep and Shadowcaster, it allows to take control of the board quite easily, as much against aggressive decks than against tempo ones.
Infested Tauren is nice against aggressive decks and can revive on N'Zoth, the Corruptor. Plus thanks to the Crystal Core, it's a 5/5 taunt that gives another 5/5 so that's pretty solid.
Fan of Knives is interesting against aggressive decks such as the Pirate Warrior or the aggressive version of the Quest Rogue. Plus, it gives a draw to help fiding Elementals or "combo" pieces. Put one instead of N'Zoth, the Corruptor or Shadow Strike.
Some showcases :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5y7ASvNCo by kiwiinbacon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wGwQHaLHbs by Merchant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzintdpd8Qw by Khristophesaurus
THANKS FOR READING !
TLDR : Everything combos with everything, very coherant deck.
I don't think it's true to say it's "better". When the community will find a way to counter the aggressive quest rogue version, the mid/lategame version (as my list but they will be more of that kind) should be better against that counter. That's how Hearthstone always have been! Everything depens on the matchup and the metagame. But for now, Dog's version should have a better winrate indeed, since there is no counter.
If it's too slow for the metagame, try to cut the late game for more early game (N'zoth and Sally for example, and some SI7:Agent instead).
Dude, this is a fun deck.
One thing I think you are missing though, is Thistle Tea. I subbed one in as I am missing a Shadow Caster and Sergeant Sally. I did a Preparation/Thistle Tea combo, and drew Shadowstep. Instant activation of the quest if you have a low cost minion on the field. Very satisfying.
On that outcome it sure is amazing xD
Otherwise it feels really slow to me, Turn 6 is where your quest should already be done/almost done.
When you bust out a turn 3 Mimic Pod hoping for Igneous Elemental or Fire Fly but get N'Zoth, the Corruptor instead...
The risk/reward is still very good on that card in my opinion. On N'zoth is sucks, on key cards it's amazing !
Honestly, I'm mad at this deck, I went out and got N'Zoth and the Umbra guy and haven't really used them yet. So that 3,200 could have been far better spent on ANYTHING else.
I don't know how you're getting anywhere with this deck, there's just zero clears, I lost SUPER BAD to a murloc Shaman deck. And getting the quest off in a timely fashion is a hit or miss. So I'm now combining the good elements of this deck with the good elements of Dog's deck and will hopefully come up with SOMETHING for all my wasted dust.
Not my fault if the meta is aggro-ish at the moment. I didn't know the metagame when I crafted this deck, so don't put the responsability on me and just wait few days.
So what's your win rate then? If you insist on defending your deck that is. And where are you ranked?
It was a T-H-E-O-R-Y-C-R-A-F-T, before the expansion was actually out. I didn't try it yet, I don't have all the cards atm. I can only have feedbacks from the comment section.
And from what I've seen with videos and streams, it seems to be working. N'Zoth was useful against control decks. The comments seem also really positive on the deck. That's the only thing I know.
Well we should take it down then before we keep getting mislead people playing it. I love how you're now double teaming me with down votes. You haven't said anything to the guy who said he wins 45% of the time with it. So take it down, or post that there's about a 45% chance to win with it to avoid more people wasting dust and time.
Git gud.
somebody got rekt ... playing rouge quest .
while don't be too upset about it , N'zoth is always a good craft mate
You shouldnt of crafted a deck that you knew nothing about prior to playing it. Craft cards that you like not cards that you think can get you to legend.
And he should take responsibility for crafting a deck that works 45% of the time and let people know in the description. This wouldn't be such a big deal except that it keeps showing up and people are stupid enough to upvote it thinking it's a good deck. Decks should not be upvoted when they only have a 45% win rate.
YOU* have that winrate. It doesn't seem to be everyone's case. Maybe you're the type of person who had 45% winrate with Pirate Warrior, who knows ? Your mentality is crazy stupid, geez. That's just ONE day after the expansion is out.
Blizzard should take the responsability and give back your dust !! They made the cards !! :O
And you have a 0% win rate because you can't even make this deck. What's your point? No need for name calling, I have yet to call you out for being the jerk you are. And it wasn't even me that said 45% learn to read the comments on your deck sir. There's another guy here that played 40 games with it and got 45%.
Now, I will say, the reason I made this deck is because it stomped me and figured I could try it out. When it's hot it's hot, when it's not it's not. Very much depends on your draw, very luck centered deck. And Dog's deck isn't much better.
The point is, one guy having 45% winrate isn't representative when a majority has much more.
So you're just a liar / a troll / being annoying. Especially for the "you're responsible" part, rofl, that was stupid.
WHO ON HERE HAS HAD MUCH MORE!? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE SAY "My win rate is through the roofs with this deck, great job man!" So for the love of other people's dust PLEASE disclose that you have never played this deck and not to waste dust on it. The fact that you have 200 + likes on a subpar deck is UNBELIEVABLE to me.
I'm done with you, you're an arrogant wall that apparently only read things agreeing to your point of view.