Hi guys! Vincelf here. This time I wanted to show you my work in progress for some new Rogue cards. Even with Tinker's Sharpsword Oil, I think Rogue is in a very bad position for the current meta, especially after Leeroy Jenkins and Gadgetzan Auctioneer nerfs (don't misunderstand me. I'm very happy that happened). But after playing ranked games with Oil Rogue, I think they're very inconsistent and there is plenty of room to make Rogue a more usable Hero.
Of course these cards are just for fun. I'm not trying to say these cards should exists by any means (ok, maybe some of them. Please?). I just came out with some new cards that could be very fun to play with.
I would love to read some of your impressions on them. Enjoy!
I think that red hood ranger is way too low cost when compared to auctioneer, as a large number of the rogue spells have combo effects and hence could lead to a large amount of cycling for relatively cheap. I do like the concept however and admire the effort you have put in
Afterlight Sailor is a condition 3/2 for 2 mana. Would be very great at 1 mana card. Turn 1 Afterlight, turn 2 dagger for +2 attack.
Goblin Shooter is perfect at 2 mana. Great design.
Red Hood Ranger is more specific that auctioneer but at 3 mana I think it's too easy to get out of hand. 4-5 mana cost and a relevant stat-line would be better.
Trickery warrior is too good as a 3/4. There's no downside. Can easily 2 for 1. A 3/3 would be better.
Midnight slayer is probably one of the most useful cards you've created. It's not always easy to spend 2 mana for a 1/2 weapon. I really like it.
Jumping Burglar is really weak. He'll just die. Bypassing taunt isn't a big rogue issue either with cheap removal and sap.
Troll Rogue is fine balance wise but it doesn't really help rogue imo even with Tinker's. Pouch Stealer I also think, while nice to have, is unnecessary for rogues.
Brighteyes is a good value card. Doesn't innovate the class is any significant way though. Just gives easier blade flurries usually. Possible broken with Blade Flurry when it acts as +3 damage.
Twilight Cheater again is unnecessary taunt bypass especially at 4 mana.
Deathbringer's effect would need to be random since you can't target stealth minions. A really niche tech card and doesn't seem fun to play against. Stealth is used to keep my minions safe. Why would I want a stealth killer card to be introduced? Similar concept with taunt ignoring.
Wolf Tamer is a good tempo card similar to muster for battle. May fall short at 4 mana since its body isn't very relevant and doesn't have immediate impact like Muster does with the 1/4 weapon. Wolf tamer can maybe pass at 3 mana and a 2/2 body.
Cunning Executioner is too good. If your opponent doesn't have enough minions the downside is you have yeti -2 health. Pretty minor when comparing it to the possible upside of killing 2 minions.
I can't see Maria dealing more than 5+ damage consistently. Along with the fact that her combo is random she's very weak. I also don't believe rogue's need more damage options.
Jair is a stranglethorn tiger with an execute combo attached? Very nice and fitting for a rogue. Great card. Much needed hard removal.
Vanessa looks fine, I mean balanced. She is a balanced card. For 3 spells she's a bad bloodlust if you're going face. For trading purposes she can be very good. I would have to play around with her, I mean test her usefulness in-game to know how over/underpowered she is.
Black Art Ninja, tempo rogue needs you! Very good balance, can be a 4/4 since he's legendary. An auto-include in possibly every rogue deck except aggro and mill.
Bazil is OTK material or good psudo-board clear. There might be a way to abuse his effect but not one I can think of that works consisently.
Shadowmaster gives any minions in your hand permanent stealth??!!! Thaurissan OP OP. Too broken. Fun concept but broken.
Garrick is not to exciting but I'm sure equipping a 3 attack weapon on turn 6 with a 4/4 body on board would see play.
I don't see the appeal of Lord Darius. Can't buff him since you spent all your cards already. This might be a repeat of Leeroy with Shadowstep.
Shadow giant seems more like a neutral card than a rogue one.
My favourites are Midnight Slayer, Jair, Goblin Shooter, and Afterlight Sailor if he was 1 mana or a 2 mana 2/3.
Currently, when a taunted minion has stealth, it effectively loses taunt. So, there are almost zero situations in which you would want to do this to your own minions. Thus, it's usefulness would be to stealth your enemy, at which point it might as well be "remove an enemy minion's" taunt, which would be much less confusing.
Currently, when a taunted minion has stealth, it effectively loses taunt. So, there are almost zero situations in which you would want to do this to your own minions. Thus, it's usefulness would be to stealth your enemy, at which point it might as well be "remove an enemy minion's" taunt, which would be much less confusing.
Otherwise, pretty fun cards!
Thanks! And yeah, you're right. Think I just wanted to create a more rogue-ish silencer minion :). And is not as good as Spellbreaker, cause the minion can gain Taunt again, so that's why I made it as a 4/4.
Nice change to Afterlight Sailor. Neutral cards should not be objectively better than one another, and Sea Rover is better than Wolf Rider.
Greedy looter is very fitting with current pirate cards. Play him turn 4, turn 5 Greenskin and trade in Looter for +1 card draw.
Filibuster can generate insane value for rogue weapon buffs. Effect should be additive like "+2 duarability" or something of the like.
Grand Corsair seems redundant with Southsea Captain. Brave Buccaneer should read "deal damage equal to its Attack". A fine card.
Edward Teach is Savage Roar with a 4/4 body? Not balanced at all. Sinbot is Hemet for mechs but better. Hard to evaluate it's power.
Dread captain is just "steal your opponent's weapon" if you don't have one yourself. Not sure about the balance. Would need to actually play test. I don't think it's a fun card though and doesn't bring anything to the game or pirate tribe.
I love the 90% of this cards :P , Blizzard really should take a look at the creations of the comunity, most of the cards that people make are really good.
I love the 90% of this cards :P , Blizzard really should take a look at the creations of the comunity, most of the cards that people make are really good.
Thanks Rainaku. :)
Added some new TGT cards (You can recognize them with the Shield logo). Hope you like them!
Hi guys. Vincelf here again. I added some Secrets! Was actually pretty hard to create some new content! Would love to read your comments on them. Cheers!
Loving your cards man. Great work. About the secrets you just created, I feel some of them aren't Rogue-ish enough. Renewal feels more like a Priest secret and Ravage is a little underwhelming. Decoy and Worgen Spirit are my favorites. Really fun. Again, congrats.
Hi guys! Vincelf here. This time I wanted to show you my work in progress for some new Rogue cards. Even with Tinker's Sharpsword Oil, I think Rogue is in a very bad position for the current meta, especially after Leeroy Jenkins and Gadgetzan Auctioneer nerfs (don't misunderstand me. I'm very happy that happened). But after playing ranked games with Oil Rogue, I think they're very inconsistent and there is plenty of room to make Rogue a more usable Hero.
Of course these cards are just for fun. I'm not trying to say these cards should exists by any means (ok, maybe some of them. Please?). I just came out with some new cards that could be very fun to play with.
I would love to read some of your impressions on them. Enjoy!
Minions
Spells
Weapons
Secrets!
I think that red hood ranger is way too low cost when compared to auctioneer, as a large number of the rogue spells have combo effects and hence could lead to a large amount of cycling for relatively cheap. I do like the concept however and admire the effort you have put in
Great cards for tempo rogue all around.
Afterlight Sailor is a condition 3/2 for 2 mana. Would be very great at 1 mana card. Turn 1 Afterlight, turn 2 dagger for +2 attack.
Goblin Shooter is perfect at 2 mana. Great design.
Red Hood Ranger is more specific that auctioneer but at 3 mana I think it's too easy to get out of hand. 4-5 mana cost and a relevant stat-line would be better.
Trickery warrior is too good as a 3/4. There's no downside. Can easily 2 for 1. A 3/3 would be better.
Midnight slayer is probably one of the most useful cards you've created. It's not always easy to spend 2 mana for a 1/2 weapon. I really like it.
Jumping Burglar is really weak. He'll just die. Bypassing taunt isn't a big rogue issue either with cheap removal and sap.
Troll Rogue is fine balance wise but it doesn't really help rogue imo even with Tinker's. Pouch Stealer I also think, while nice to have, is unnecessary for rogues.
Brighteyes is a good value card. Doesn't innovate the class is any significant way though. Just gives easier blade flurries usually. Possible broken with Blade Flurry when it acts as +3 damage.
Twilight Cheater again is unnecessary taunt bypass especially at 4 mana.
Deathbringer's effect would need to be random since you can't target stealth minions. A really niche tech card and doesn't seem fun to play against. Stealth is used to keep my minions safe. Why would I want a stealth killer card to be introduced? Similar concept with taunt ignoring.
Wolf Tamer is a good tempo card similar to muster for battle. May fall short at 4 mana since its body isn't very relevant and doesn't have immediate impact like Muster does with the 1/4 weapon. Wolf tamer can maybe pass at 3 mana and a 2/2 body.
Cunning Executioner is too good. If your opponent doesn't have enough minions the downside is you have yeti -2 health. Pretty minor when comparing it to the possible upside of killing 2 minions.
I can't see Maria dealing more than 5+ damage consistently. Along with the fact that her combo is random she's very weak. I also don't believe rogue's need more damage options.
Jair is a stranglethorn tiger with an execute combo attached? Very nice and fitting for a rogue. Great card. Much needed hard removal.
Vanessa looks fine, I mean balanced. She is a balanced card. For 3 spells she's a bad bloodlust if you're going face. For trading purposes she can be very good. I would have to play around with her, I mean test her usefulness in-game to know how over/underpowered she is.
Black Art Ninja, tempo rogue needs you! Very good balance, can be a 4/4 since he's legendary. An auto-include in possibly every rogue deck except aggro and mill.
Bazil is OTK material or good psudo-board clear. There might be a way to abuse his effect but not one I can think of that works consisently.
Shadowmaster gives any minions in your hand permanent stealth??!!! Thaurissan OP OP. Too broken. Fun concept but broken.
Garrick is not to exciting but I'm sure equipping a 3 attack weapon on turn 6 with a 4/4 body on board would see play.
I don't see the appeal of Lord Darius. Can't buff him since you spent all your cards already. This might be a repeat of Leeroy with Shadowstep.
Shadow giant seems more like a neutral card than a rogue one.
My favourites are Midnight Slayer, Jair, Goblin Shooter, and Afterlight Sailor if he was 1 mana or a 2 mana 2/3.
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Wow, thanks guys! I really appreciate your comments. I will keep them in mind to make these cards and the next more balanced.
Added some Pirates! Would love to read your thoughts on them. Arrr!
My only comment would be on twilight cheater,
Currently, when a taunted minion has stealth, it effectively loses taunt. So, there are almost zero situations in which you would want to do this to your own minions. Thus, it's usefulness would be to stealth your enemy, at which point it might as well be "remove an enemy minion's" taunt, which would be much less confusing.
Otherwise, pretty fun cards!
Thanks! And yeah, you're right. Think I just wanted to create a more rogue-ish silencer minion :). And is not as good as Spellbreaker, cause the minion can gain Taunt again, so that's why I made it as a 4/4.
Nice change to Afterlight Sailor. Neutral cards should not be objectively better than one another, and Sea Rover is better than Wolf Rider.
Greedy looter is very fitting with current pirate cards. Play him turn 4, turn 5 Greenskin and trade in Looter for +1 card draw.
Filibuster can generate insane value for rogue weapon buffs. Effect should be additive like "+2 duarability" or something of the like.
Grand Corsair seems redundant with Southsea Captain. Brave Buccaneer should read "deal damage equal to its Attack". A fine card.
Edward Teach is Savage Roar with a 4/4 body? Not balanced at all. Sinbot is Hemet for mechs but better. Hard to evaluate it's power.
Dread captain is just "steal your opponent's weapon" if you don't have one yourself. Not sure about the balance. Would need to actually play test. I don't think it's a fun card though and doesn't bring anything to the game or pirate tribe.
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Nice concept man,need some balance but the idea is Great +1
Standard > Wild
I love the 90% of this cards :P , Blizzard really should take a look at the creations of the comunity, most of the cards that people make are really good.
Thanks Rainaku. :)
Added some new TGT cards (You can recognize them with the Shield logo). Hope you like them!
Hi guys. Vincelf here. I wanted to show you some spells I created. Would love to read your thoughts on them!
Hi guys. Vincelf here again. I added some Secrets! Was actually pretty hard to create some new content! Would love to read your comments on them. Cheers!
Loving your cards man. Great work. About the secrets you just created, I feel some of them aren't Rogue-ish enough. Renewal feels more like a Priest secret and Ravage is a little underwhelming. Decoy and Worgen Spirit are my favorites. Really fun. Again, congrats.
Hi guys. Vincelf here. I just added a bunch of new cards, and made balances in others. Hope you like them! Feel free to post your ideas!
Sup man. I saw you added some new cards. Your 1 drops are amazing. Really diggin them.
I think Lord Darius Crowley should summon just 1 Raging Worgen.
Nightfall Felon is awesome. Definitely my favorite card along with Midnight Slayer.
Keep it up!
Would make rogue so much more viable
Hi guys. Vincelf here. Just added some new cards along with the winner version of the Vanessa VanCleef poll I made last week. Cheers!